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would it be worthwhile to use these products even if you don't juice? would any of the ingredients in either have detrimental effects if used continuously for long periods of time?

it seems to me that unleashed may be worthwhile to use all the time, but I know little about the effects of xanthoparmilia in the long term. Post cycle seems like it may not be a good choice for continuous use due to the calcium d-glucarate and chrysin lowering estrogen levels. wouldn't there eventually be some compensation for this? and with the cnidium, any ill-effects with that?

any info is appreciated
 
young guns said:
would it be worthwhile to use these products even if you don't juice? would any of the ingredients in either have detrimental effects if used continuously for long periods of time?

it seems to me that unleashed may be worthwhile to use all the time, but I know little about the effects of xanthoparmilia in the long term. Post cycle seems like it may not be a good choice for continuous use due to the calcium d-glucarate and chrysin lowering estrogen levels. wouldn't there eventually be some compensation for this? and with the cnidium, any ill-effects with that?

any info is appreciated



The products were designed to be used by either natural or enhanced athletes. That's the beauty of it. I see them as the ANTI pro-homones, in that PH's cause suppression but the ingredients in Unleashed enhances natural T levels and Post-Cycle balances e, plus aids in libido and liver detoxification -- more important to the guy on gear, but useful to anyone.

The thing about natural substances is they'll only work to a point -- which is good and bad. They won't make you huge, but they'll enhance what you have without going too far off he chart. That's why your e can't get TOO low. Or, regretably, your T won't get as high as it can from a cycle. But more T is better, no matter where your levels currently are.
 
Nelson,

I am very excited about thse products and their potential - I hope they work out well for you and everyone involved AND for the customers.

Questions for you -

Have you taken the time to really write up what each is used for, their doseage, the length of time, etc.

For some reason I have not seen that formally written out. I mean, not in a ad-hoc manner as in earlier in this thread. I mean something formal (and ..... not marketing hype, please), like,

  • What it's used for
  • What it does
  • What is the dose or how do you determine the dose (age, weight, status, some other criteria, etc)
  • How long do you take it
  • Any other requirements (fluids, supplements etc)
  • How is it taken (with fluids, with meals, throughout the day, in the mornming, it does not matter, etc)
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Riker29 said:
Nelson,

I am very excited about thse products and their potential - I hope they work out well for you and everyone involved AND for the customers.

Questions for you -

Have you taken the time to really write up what each is used for, their doseage, the length of time, etc.

For some reason I have not seen that formally written out. I mean, not in a ad-hoc manner as in earlier in this thread. I mean something formal (and ..... not marketing hype, please), like,

  • What it's used for
  • What it does
  • What is the dose or how do you determine the dose (age, weight, status, some other criteria, etc)
  • How long do you take it
  • Any other requirements (fluids, supplements etc)
  • How is it taken (with fluids, with meals, throughout the day, in the mornming, it does not matter, etc)
    [/list=a]






  • Riker, The info on the site gives some pretty good technical data. Go on "News" and then at the bottom of the description click on "Articles" Nevertheless, I'll try and answer some of your questions.

    1: Unleashed in for lowering SHBG. If you're unfamiliar with that, it's a whole big ta-do. We can start another thread on it.

    2:Post-Cycle has stuff to lower e, boost libido, improve erectile strength, and detoxify the liver. Most of the ingredients are things a lot of members already use, but it's in one shot.

    3: The dose is 2 caps a day, but I think most guys will want to double that. Since it's non supressive you ca take as much s you want to make sure you "feel" it, but I'd be careful with the Post-Cycle because t contains Cndium and that shit is like Cialis.

    4: Take it as long as you want. It's a popular gimmick for supplement companies to recommend "cycling off" but that's all just bullshit to make the product look more "serious." Lots of guys here have been using avena sativa non stop with no down regulation. I stopped using it for a while, thinking it wasn't doing much anymore and I regretted t. I could really feel the difference when "on" as opposed to "off."

    The product ZIP! actually works better the more you use it sinse it's a non suppressive thyroid support supplement. (It could and should be used if you're on T4 or T3) It'll give you energy and help burn fat but it won't get you wired. It can be mixed with Thermorexin or anotherstimulent which although I've yet to try on a long term basis, I believe will work really well.

    5: I don't think it matters if you take it with or without food. I'd be curious if any members noticed a difference taking avena on an empty stomach. I recommend splitting the dosage -- one serving in the morning and the another before bed. (But don't take the ZIP! before bed or you might be looking at the ceiling all night).
 
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