6 OXO Blood Test Results!

[Nelson Montana]

Some of you may remember that a few months back I did an estrogen level check with my monthly blood test and found that by using chrysin and calcium D glucarate my e level went from a slightly high 37.6 to a respectable 27.4. This month I decided to use 6 OXO to see how it fared. The results are in.

My estrodiol was 26.

Now keep in mind there are many variables in play here and the numbers can go up and down a few points day to day. However, taken at face value, two basic conclusions can be drawn from these results.

6OXO will indeed work to lower estrogen.

And Two: It will lower estrogen approximately as well as Chrysin and calcium d glucarate.

Keep in mind also, the level of effect may vary depending on ones e elevation. Will it lower MORE e if estrogen is extremely high? Hard to say. Will it lower a "normal" estrogen level? Maybe.

Another interesting point to this test is the absurd claim that 6 OXO will raise testosterne 265%!!! Where do these companies come up with these preposterous claims?!? For one thing, the whole concept of a lowered estrogen level raising testosterone is completely misconstrued. (But that's a topic for another time). Anyway, my T level was right around where it's always been. Last month it was 920. (I'm on 100 mgs/wk HRT) This month it was 910. (In all fairness the test was taken 6 days after my shot and last month it was taken 5 days after). If 6OXO did what it claims, my T would be over 2000!!! Nonsense.

So there you have it, in black and white -- and red. On one hand I can say that ergopharm finally came out with a product that is effective. On the other hand, you can buy Chrysin and Calcium D Glucarate from BAC for less than half the price of 6 OXO , or if you don't want to cap and mix your own capsules, you can get "Post-Cycle" from Protein Factory and get Maca,Epimedium, Cndium, Milk Thistle, r-ala and Lecithin as well all in one shot.

I'd be willing to give 6OXO another try, but I'd like to see some more legit tests done. And they'll simply have to do better with the price. At any rate, I think it's good news to know that natural substances can help to control estrogen without nasty side effects.

 

[Themachine01]

At any rate, I think it's good news to know that natural substances can help to control estrogen without nasty side effects.

When you say nasty side effects, please explain yourself in regards to say nolva for example.

 

[poantrex]

I never understood the need some people have for using OTC supplements that don't work nearly as well as their prescription counterparts - and as an added bonus OTC products usually cost more.

 

[lartinos]

Interesting stuff Nelson. You're my favorite guinea pig.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I never understood the need some people have for using OTC supplements that don't work nearly as well as their prescription counterparts - and as an added bonus OTC products usually cost more.

Besides the legality issue, some people would rather not resort to drugs if they don't have to simply for the fact that OTC supps tend to be milder and more easily assesable.

Side effects of nolva? Varies. For some, it has the same dick deadening effects of Clomid. In general; lower IGF-1. Elevated SHBG. Elevated LDL. "Backlash" of estrogen once therapy is stopped.

 

[psychedout]

Interesting.... Keep the tests comming. I look forward to reading them.

 

[Themachine01]

Besides the legality issue, some people would rather not resort to drugs if they don't have to simply for the fact that OTC supps tend to be milder and more easily assesable.

Side effects of nolva? Varies. For some, it has the same dick deadening effects of Clomid. In general; lower IGF-1. Elevated SHBG. Elevated LDL. "Backlash" of estrogen once therapy is stopped.

i often see you compare "OTC supps" to "drugs", but im curious as to what you consider the difference? "OTC supps can be just as harmful as what you call "drugs", if not more, in some cases. YES, they are more assesable, thats why they are called OTC.

What im getting at is that you are making an assumption that these "OTC supps" are safer and have less sides, but have a similar effect in regards to lowering estrogen. Your blood may have proved that it lowered your estrogen level, BUT, it did not prove anything about the side effects that may occur from 6OXO, there is no proof what so ever that the sides might not be worse than the other "drug" options.

If you are strictly trying to find someone that works that is legal, then that is fine, but I disagree when you say it is safer, or causes less sides.

 

[Laser0001]

Nelson, if you droped your dosage to 50 mg per week do you think you would have elevated estrogen levels? 910 on t is above
normal in a person over 35 if I remember right? Do you plan on HRT for life? Do you do HGH HRT as well?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Laser: Yes, HRT is for life. 100 mgs a week is the very low end so it just goes to show, that you don't need much. e may be lower with a lower dose but the ratio would be hgher.

Conversion to e increases as we age. Avena Sativa helps. I don't use HGH.

Machine: Agreed. Legality and safety aren't necessarily compatable. But when dealing with estrogen, so many of the drugs are harsh and can lower e too much. A natural supp tends to keep things under control without throwing the level too far out of whack. I've experienced horrible sides from Clomid but no sides from Chrysin. Interestingly, I got similar sides to Clomid when using DIM -- maybe because it too is a mild estrogen and that just doesn't work well with me.

 

[Themachine01]

Nelson, you make a good point, and your experiences prove that everyone reacts different, I have yet to experience any sides from clomid what so ever.

 

[Laser0001]

Machine Im with you on that and wonder if the clomid I get is
fake

 

[Nelson Montana]

Machine Im with you on that and wonder if the clomid I get is
fake

That's another reason for using OTC stuff.

Clomid is often faked. I'll bet many a "great response" was from nothing but sugar pills and users own recovery rate.

 

[poantrex]

Clomid works, period. Problem is, most people don't use it long enough to have a full recovery...and then there's the issue of side effects.

 

[Fonz]

That's another reason for using OTC stuff.

Clomid is often faked. I'll bet many a "great response" was from nothing but sugar pills and users own recovery rate.

Clomid faked?

Ok...now you're delirious.

Clomid is one of the cheapest drugs out there.

Then most faked is the more expensive drugs like anavar. Makes sense as the "fakers" making the products make more money.

I see absolutely no point in selling fake clomid.

NONE.

Fonz

 

[Laser0001]

I ordered from a different company this time. I guess I am trying to find my sensitve side. lol

 

[satchboogie]

i've never seen any fake clomid either but nowadays nothing would surprise me.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Clomid faked?

Ok...now you're delirious.

Clomid is one of the cheapest drugs out there.

Then most faked is the more expensive drugs like anavar. Makes sense as the "fakers" making the products make more money.

I see absolutely no point in selling fake clomid.

NONE.

Fonz

Testosterone is dirt cheap too and it's often faked.

 

[Triple J]

Nelson you may want to mention the dosage level you used, for both 6OXO and your own anti-e regimen

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson you may want to mention the dosage level you used, for both 6OXO and your own anti-e regimen

500mgs of Chrysin with 10 mgs of piperine every day and 100 mg of CDG every other day for 30 days. Cost: approx 15 bucks.

3 caps of 6OXO every day until the bottle ran out. (20 days) Cost: $54.00

 

[liftsiron]

I've just finished a run of 2 bottles of 6-OXO and also believe that it works to lower estrogen, although a little pricey. I'ved been experimenting with otc supps just to see how my body reacts. I have been slightly amazed by the strength increases that I'm getting from 1AD, 1-Test and 4-Test in combonation with a very good diet and a pretty good training program. I'm looking big and full.

 

[Juice Authority]

Some of you may remember that a few months back I did an estrogen level check with my monthly blood test and found that by using chrysin and calcium D glucarate my e level went from a slightly high 37.6 to a respectable 27.4. This month I decided to use 6 OXO to see how it fared. The results are in.

My estrodiol was 26.

Now keep in mind there are many variables in play here and the numbers can go up and down a few points day to day. However, taken at face value, two basic conclusions can be drawn from these results.

6OXO will indeed work to lower estrogen.

And Two: It will lower estrogen approximately as well as Chrysin and calcium d glucarate.

Keep in mind also, the level of effect may vary depending on ones e elevation. Will it lower MORE e if estrogen is extremely high? Hard to say. Will it lower a "normal" estrogen level? Maybe.

Another interesting point to this test is the absurd claim that 6 OXO will raise testosterne 265%!!! Where do these companies come up with these preposterous claims?!? For one thing, the whole concept of a lowered estrogen level raising testosterone is completely misconstrued. (But that's a topic for another time). Anyway, my T level was right around where it's always been. Last month it was 920. (I'm on 100 mgs/wk HRT) This month it was 910. (In all fairness the test was taken 6 days after my shot and last month it was taken 5 days after). If 6OXO did what it claims, my T would be over 2000!!! Nonsense.

So there you have it, in black and white -- and red. On one hand I can say that ergopharm finally came out with a product that is effective. On the other hand, you can buy Chrysin and Calcium D Glucarate from BAC for less than half the price of 6 OXO , or if you don't want to cap and mix your own capsules, you can get "Post-Cycle" from Protein Factory and get Maca,Epimedium, Cndium, Milk Thistle, r-ala and Lecithin as well all in one shot.

I'd be willing to give 6OXO another try, but I'd like to see some more legit tests done. And they'll simply have to do better with the price. At any rate, I think it's good news to know that natural substances can help to control estrogen without nasty side effects.

I'm actually glad you started a thread on this. I've been wondering about this stuff. I personally thought the GNC rep was full of shit when he told me that 6OXO lowered estrogen levels while rasing test leves without any of the known side effects that you experience with Clomid, Nolva, Arimidex, femera, etc.. He also went on to say that it lowers LDL levels and raises the HDL levels, which definitely had my attention since steroids mess up your lipid profile and ant-e's (especially Arimdex and femera) worsen the problem. Any truth to this?

 

[Triple J]

6OXO is a suicidal aromatase deactivator. So in that respect it may have some properties in common with aromisin. If that is the case it probably is not as hard on your lipid profiles as adex or fem.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: Re: 6 OXO Blood Test Results!

I'm actually glad you started a thread on this. I've been wondering about this stuff. I personally thought the GNC rep was full of shit when he told me that 6OXO lowered estrogen levels while rasing test leves without any of the known side effects that you experience with Clomid, Nolva, Arimidex, femera, etc.. He also went on to say that it lowers LDL levels and raises the HDL levels, which definitely had my attention since steroids mess up your lipid profile and ant-e's (especially Arimdex and femera) worsen the problem. Any truth to this?

I think the GNC guy is just spouting rhetoric. Maybe he's been reading 1fast400's ridiculous hype.

I also think the original mesage of this thread has gotten a little off track. Yes, 6 OXO seems to work, but chrysin and calcium d glucarate worked equally as well and they're a lot less expensive. According to the info on the protein factory site, there haven't been an tests on this stuff other than the one's conducted by the company that a makes it. I would go with the chyrsin and cdg unless the 6 OXO came way down in price. I might even try both and see what happens.

Next supplement test: Ogoplex. No blood test on this one, just emperical evidence. I'm cynical so the placebo effect shouldn't be a factor. We'll see.

 

[variation]

IMO, you should have got blood work done again after chrysin and cdg was out of system for 1 month, to let natural estrogen levels return to normal state. then done 6-oxo again and had blood work after that just incase any other factors may have changed.

there is some other compounds I'd like to see what kind of effect they give to hormone levels, I can't easily get so many frequent blood test to do it myself though, so if you're interested in testing, state so.

 

[Triple J]

Nelson, a few other points and insights about your results and comparisons, keep in mind you are still keeping your administered T levels within a physiological range (although at the high end). As opposed to most cycles people actually run.

Now as I recall Chrysin is some type of aromatase inhibitor, whereas calcium glucarate is more of a liver enzyme up-regulator that enhances clearance of already formed estrogens from your system. It would be more meaningful to see results of either of these compounds alone.

More relevant still would be to see which therapies were most potent in someone running about 500mg T/wk.

Lastly, it would be interesting to see the effect on natural athlete test levels. I would expect an e inhibitor to raise T levels to some degree, perhaps in correlation with the degree to which their natural levels were not already high (or if they had high e levels) to start. Obviously when T is being administered one is shutdown and as long as this is the case nothing will stimulate T output except perhaps some HCG.

Obviously for your own purposes the chrysin/CdG combo works well but how useful this limited information is in more general terms is questionable. I still find the results interesting and particularly that you found 6OXO to have some value.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Triple and variation: All excellant points , and they all go to show, there are so many variables with these tests -- which is why a study that "concludes" one thing or another isn't always the hard evidence that one might think. Take into account that there is usualy an agenda involved in most research and suddenly what looked like "proof" looks more and more like biased BS.

A blood test on one individual is not the end -all-be -all of conclusive evidence. But it shows something tangible, from which we can make assumptions. That's better than most of the testing done on supplements.

 

[variation]

Triple and variation: All excellant points , and they all go to show, there are so many variables with these tests -- which is why a study that "concludes" one thing or another isn't always the hard evidence that one might think. Take into account that there is usualy an agenda involved in most research and suddenly what looked like "proof" looks more and more like biased BS.

A blood test on one individual is not the end -all-be -all of conclusive evidence. But it shows something tangible, from which we can make assumptions. That's better than most of the testing done on supplements.

very true, there are so many factors in anything it's virtually impossible to draw anything too conclusive from 1 study, and I agree with you, lots that do studies may have other agendas therefor they purposely manipulate certain factors to make the outcome appear more to their benefit (I'm not implying you did this, just agreeing with on on the one point that you made)

As I've noticed some study will suggest one thing and a year later another study will come out and state the exact opposite lol... usually takes years of studies by different parties before anything remotely conclusive can be drawn.. though some things can give us good likely insights, this is really good info Nelson, thanks for posting it.