Peace of mind for $90?

[starfish]

Yeah but you could even take that a step further and say that even if one pill in your bottle tested good half or more of them could be junk. Some of this we just have to take on faith and the results that we see in our bodies. A random sample will give us some idea of what it is or isn't.

That's true.... But the chances of me picking the one true anavar tablet or bunk tablet out of my bottle are pretty slim..


I think testing is an AWESOME idea... But I think it would be naive to think that everyones Bratis (or whatever) is the same just because someone tests theirs.




Anyway, I hope there is some testing available soon. There is a reason I want to do mine

 

[MS]

There are all sorts of levels of paranoia you can develop. But if you're that concerned about the batch to batch variablility of the same drug from the same supplier, then maybe you should consider if taking illegally obtained drugs is really worth the risks/hassles/cost. I dunno about you guys, but I think $90 is A LOT of money to spend even once to test once batch of 100 tabs. And BTW, the testing procedure requires 5 tabs, so there goes 1/20th of every bottle you buy just for testing. Of course, this gives you some idea of the variability from one tab to the next, which can be pretty important for females looking to minimize sides. If one tab is 5mg, and the next one is 15, it may average out to 10mg, but you're not getting very consistent dosing. This is less important for a male taking 4,5 or even 6 tabs per day. This is prolly my biggest reservation about paper products. Though I haven't tested them, I'm 100% certain that there will be dramatic variation from 1 square to the next. It's just the nature of the way it's processed and applied. I think paper is fine for the guys (it's reputedly 10% overdosed), but maybe a little risky for the gals.

Starfish, I agree that my bratis may not be the same as your bratis (or whatever). But testing bratis from particular suppliers will allow us to accumulate a database of good sources and bad sources for different drugs. In other words, it will help us to help you decide where to buy your next batch of oxandrolone from, rather than you taking pot luck from where ever you can get it. And believe me, the more reputable suppliers are also eager to see their products tested. They don't want to sell bogus gear any more than you want to buy bogus gear..........

Anyway, I get the feeling that a lot of folks have strong reservations about the whole idea of collective testing. I think it's a shame because this board is one of the few places where us "consumers" have the opportunity to take some control over what we purchase and whether or not we're getting ripped off. Illegal AAS supply is one of the biggest rip off games in the US. Chances are that many of us on this board have already been unknowingly ripped off, and will continue to be, without a collective effort to QA what we put in our bodies.

 

[starfish]

There are all sorts of levels of paranoia you can develop. But if you're that concerned about the batch to batch variablility of the same drug from the same supplier, then maybe you should consider if taking illegally obtained drugs is really worth the risks/hassles/cost. I dunno about you guys, but I think $90 is A LOT of money to spend even once to test once batch of 100 tabs. And BTW, the testing procedure requires 5 tabs, so there goes 1/20th of every bottle you buy just for testing. Of course, this gives you some idea of the variability from one tab to the next, which can be pretty important for females looking to minimize sides. If one tab is 5mg, and the next one is 15, it may average out to 10mg, but you're not getting very consistent dosing. This is less important for a male taking 4,5 or even 6 tabs per day. This is prolly my biggest reservation about paper products. Though I haven't tested them, I'm 100% certain that there will be dramatic variation from 1 square to the next. It's just the nature of the way it's processed and applied. I think paper is fine for the guys (it's reputedly 10% overdosed), but maybe a little risky for the gals.

Starfish, I agree that my bratis may not be the same as your bratis (or whatever). But testing bratis from particular suppliers will allow us to accumulate a database of good sources and bad sources for different drugs. In other words, it will help us to help you decide where to buy your next batch of oxandrolone from, rather than you taking pot luck from where ever you can get it. And believe me, the more reputable suppliers are also eager to see their products tested. They don't want to sell bogus gear any more than you want to buy bogus gear..........

Anyway, I get the feeling that a lot of folks have strong reservations about the whole idea of collective testing. I think it's a shame because this board is one of the few places where us "consumers" have the opportunity to take some control over what we purchase and whether or not we're getting ripped off. Illegal AAS supply is one of the biggest rip off games in the US. Chances are that many of us on this board have already been unknowingly ripped off, and will continue to be, without a collective effort to QA what we put in our bodies.

I don't do tons of AS and I'm not planning on it... $90.00 is cheap if it would give me peace of mind... It's really cheap compared to what some people around here spend on supplements and stuff.


Besides, the more people who test, the better off it will be.

The simple IDEA that we are testing is probably going to make possible scammers think twice... Also, VERY reliable sources could have something happen, I'm sure they would want to know.

 

[starfish]

There are all sorts of levels of paranoia you can develop. But if you're that concerned about the batch to batch variablility of the same drug from the same supplier, then maybe you should consider if taking illegally obtained drugs is really worth the risks/hassles/cost. I dunno about you guys, but I think $90 is A LOT of money to spend even once to test once batch of 100 tabs. And BTW, the testing procedure requires 5 tabs, so there goes 1/20th of every bottle you buy just for testing. Of course, this gives you some idea of the variability from one tab to the next, which can be pretty important for females looking to minimize sides. If one tab is 5mg, and the next one is 15, it may average out to 10mg, but you're not getting very consistent dosing. This is less important for a male taking 4,5 or even 6 tabs per day. This is prolly my biggest reservation about paper products. Though I haven't tested them, I'm 100% certain that there will be dramatic variation from 1 square to the next. It's just the nature of the way it's processed and applied. I think paper is fine for the guys (it's reputedly 10% overdosed), but maybe a little risky for the gals.

You said that every test requires 5 tablets....

Well, get 5 ladies with Bratis to contribute $$ and a tablet and 5 people get their stuff tested...


That's better than nothing.

 

[Temple]

MS - I don't understand the reservations about testing. It is still going to come down to knowing your source. I find it hard to believe that we would want to just randomly take things when some level of testing can be done and I would like to see as many things tested as we can get funds raised for i.e. let me know what is next and I will gladly kick in for that as well.

 

[starfish]

Voodoo, by all means if Ulter is cool with it then no problems. I just didn't want him to get flodded with tons of questions.

Testing is a step in the right direction. Is it the majic bullet to determine the quality of our goods - No.

There are soooo many pit falls and games that can be played. Say a few tabs of Ttokkyo comes back bad. Well, who's to blame? The source, the company, or even the individual who is pissed at a source and sends in crap? Or even a source who can't carry said products so tried to undermind that brand to cut sales.

On the other hand lets say that Ttokkyo come back with dead on dosing. Now EVERYONE flocks to Ttokkyo because it has been "proven" good. Well, now scammers can do the 50% swap out every day, day in day out and point to the lab test for cover.

Lets say Ttokkyo only comes back with an average of 6mg per tab. Well that dose not really mean it's bad, just underdosed. Now you have to look at the price. Is it still worth it? Many if not all Mexican steriods are underdosed. But price per mg, they still beat the Euro hands down.

The worst case would be if the tabs came back with 1 or 2 mg, but everyone still gets good gains. Now we have a problem as there is something else in there. Which could be part of the same sitch as I mentioned above - as in who is to blame?!?!

I agree... If a sample came back with funky results, you could not necessarily blame your source. It could be the maker, someone in between, etc. I think good sources would be interested in testing results too.

Of course, we could all just go natural and not have to worry about it LOL!!