Overtraining? How Long To Lift

[bigdofba]

I try to hit the weights in the morning and cardio at night. I like to keep them seperate but it's hard due to time constraints.

 

[needtogetaas]

You don't need pain for muscle growth.

People always think I spend HOURS and HOURS in the gym.

I have had the best results training 3-4 days a week for 30-45 min.

Hit it hard, hit it fast, get out, get some food down my neck and have a nap.

Overtraining is worse than not training at all for some people, and a MASSIVE mistake most people make at some point in their training.

Very true.

 

[centy]

good thread

 

[TBD 21]

Over training does not happen as easy as you think. Over training takes 2 or 3 days to happen. Hitting the same muscle groups days in the row is over training. Spending 30 mins to an hour in the gym is all up to the person, depends on your work out intensity. Don't try to measure your workout in time. Its all about how your feeling, if you feel strong throw in a couple extra sets. Now i'm not saying if you arms are not feeling close to falling off your body you need to work harder. It's getting your quality sets and reps in using good form, but pushing yourself to lift weight.

 

[herblcure]

I try to hit the weights in the morning and cardio at night. I like to keep them seperate but it's hard due to time constraints.

This is the interesting part..because studies show that cardio during morning before food is a great way to go and then use the day to intake calories and then workout like a freaking horse in the later part of the day..

the reason, simply (without adding all the science jargon) is that your body needs fuel to workout..I mean..to workout hard..and that fuel comes in the form of calories, fat, and protein consumed during the day.

the cardio in the morning is great because you are burning calories from yesterday basically...better results..IMO

As for overtraining..I have to agree with the post that says people simply dont train hard enough..

I mean, have you ever timed yourself..

Take the total time, less the rest time, and there you have it..time spent on a muscle. 1 hour of workout - less 1 min rest between sets...and then average about 30 - 45 seconds a set means that you are spending more time resting in one hour than working out. you want 1 hour of weights..then make sure that the hour you put in does not include rest...meaning you will need to calculate how much time you are spending actually doing the workout...and not the total time doing the workout and resting...

That is just my opinion, but if you ask me, our bodies are capable of so much more than we give them credit for...and sometimes..just sometimes..I think people use overtraining too loosely in order to justify less time in the gym.

As for the pain...I have to disagree with the post about no pain still gives growth. The idea is, you are tearing at your muscle..breaking it down..does that sound like something that should be anything but painful? the better you rip it, the more it hurts...but the better it grows...no pain..no gain..we all heard it..and yes..it does have meaning.

sure, get it, hit it hard and correctly, and get out..but dammit, if you are not ready to throw up after an intense quad workout, then it simply isn't intense.

 

[safety4lyfe]

sure, get it, hit it hard and correctly, and get out..but dammit, if you are not ready to throw up after an intense quad workout, then it simply isn't intense.

Plus 1.5! After squats i hit up some cleans and i just hate my life for about 20minutes.

As for the pain...I have to disagree with the post about no pain still gives growth. The idea is, you are tearing at your muscle..breaking it down..does that sound like something that should be anything but painful? the better you rip it, the more it hurts...but the better it grows...no pain..no gain..we all heard it..and yes..it does have meaning

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I heard if your going for power you dont want to be too sore after wokring out....but for beach bod, soreness is the way to go. True?

 

[bigdofba]

This is the interesting part..because studies show that cardio during morning before food is a great way to go and then use the day to intake calories and then workout like a freaking horse in the later part of the day..

the reason, simply (without adding all the science jargon) is that your body needs fuel to workout..I mean..to workout hard..and that fuel comes in the form of calories, fat, and protein consumed during the day.

the cardio in the morning is great because you are burning calories from yesterday basically...better results..IMO

As for overtraining..I have to agree with the post that says people simply dont train hard enough..

I mean, have you ever timed yourself..

Take the total time, less the rest time, and there you have it..time spent on a muscle. 1 hour of workout - less 1 min rest between sets...and then average about 30 - 45 seconds a set means that you are spending more time resting in one hour than working out. you want 1 hour of weights..then make sure that the hour you put in does not include rest...meaning you will need to calculate how much time you are spending actually doing the workout...and not the total time doing the workout and resting...

That is just my opinion, but if you ask me, our bodies are capable of so much more than we give them credit for...and sometimes..just sometimes..I think people use overtraining too loosely in order to justify less time in the gym.

As for the pain...I have to disagree with the post about no pain still gives growth. The idea is, you are tearing at your muscle..breaking it down..does that sound like something that should be anything but painful? the better you rip it, the more it hurts...but the better it grows...no pain..no gain..we all heard it..and yes..it does have meaning.

sure, get it, hit it hard and correctly, and get out..but dammit, if you are not ready to throw up after an intense quad workout, then it simply isn't intense.

This is a great post. Karma!

I agree about doing cardio in the morning. I actually workout in the afternoon and then do cardio at night. I'm not trying to lose weight or anything or I would do cardio in the morning on an empty stomach. I have done cardio in the morning and you are right, it does work better.

It's my opinion that people don't workout hard enough. Training chest 5 days in a row is my idea of overtraining, not working out really intense for an hour and a half.

Has anyone ever played sports? Try a summer workout for football. Those are long intense workouts and many people puke. The body is pushed to the limit and at the end of the summer most everyone is 10x stronger. Back in the Golden era of bodybuilding those guys would workout for hours. Push yourself!

The muscle grows by adapting to more stress than it is used to. As long as you don't train the same muscle everyday, imo, you probably won't overtrain.

Some of my best gains came years ago when a coach was in my face pushing me further than I ever knew my body could go. I don't think a lot of people know how far they can push themselves, thus their gains probably come a lot slower than they could be coming.

 

[MGreen11]

For example. Yesterday was my Quad, Calves, Hamstrings. After an hour in the gym, this morning was Legs do NOT hurt. You'd figure they would after 5 works sets on each and then one failure set. Guess I need to add some more intensity or time. Thanks for the info guys. BTW -- If I cut down on fat/carb intake in a day, would my body take my stored fat as energy? I just try to keep my protein up very very high for my bodyweight.

 

[halfcenturian]

Depends on HOW you are lifting too: hyper, strength or power. If you are going way heavy, 5-8 sets of 1-4 reps, you need more rest between sets than doing 4 x 10's. Not so much an overtraining issue as it is an injury issue. If I go HEAVY, I might rest 3 minutes between sets because I'm maxing out for 3 reps. So it is less of a time issue and more of a git-R-done right issue.

 

[jagerbombme]

interesting. i work out for about 1.5 hours ed. i am doing 1 hour cardio before breakfast. 1.5hour workout at 330pm followed by 30minutes cardio.

routine per day is

legs
chest/back
shoulders/deads
arms/forearms
core
cardioday
startover

i try to do for example on chest 15 sets of exercises, same with back, same with everything really. about 15 sets per muscle group. always trying to change it up to stay sore. i donno, anyone got input on this