overhead lockouts vs. military presses

[Cubanito17]

Guys I'm not saying that I'm gonna bench 500 this year unless I go "that way" I'm saying that within about 4 years I feel i will get it, whether or not I go that way. I know right now my goal is to pause 265 at the meet Saturday.

 

[I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING]

Zulu- I think it's us skinny lil bastards. I only weigh 147-149 at the moment and I can go in the gym on a bad day and hit 4 plates on deads. Yet, if I go in on a great day to bench raw, I might hit a 220-225. Deads come easy to me, benching doesn't. BTW, I'm 5'7" too and you guys pointed out I had pretty long arms in my pic, so I guess I do.

 

[ZZuluZ]

Hmm, I never thought of myself of skinny (I don't think I've ever seen more than my upper abs) but I guess by most PL definitions that must be it. I can see how having a bigger belly aids in the squat and bench but not in the DL!

BTW, Cubanito, even if you took all the steriods made on earth you would not bench 500 this year. I think gains are just coming easy to you know as you've started WestSide.

I'm pretty sure no one benches 500 by training WestSide for 3 years.

Maybe I'm way off.

-Zulu

 

[b fold the truth]

Smaller waist makes for better lever when doing deadlifts.

B True

 

[powerlifterjay]

Ya know what? You could take all the steroids known to man and that still doesn tmean you will ever bench 500 lbs. I know gys who stay on year round and cant bench 500. I knwo guys who juiced for years and there just at 500lbs. Its somthing that will get you close but it isnt a for sure. Keep it in mind whne you turn to the dark side! If all i took was drugs to really take a lifter beyond world record lifts then i would be pulling ....well alot more then i do!

 

[ZZuluZ]

Very true B fold....I can imagine it' like pulling a barbell about a foot away.

Jay, I'm confused...have you ever done steriods? Are you doing any now?

I still think it takes good genetics to bench 400+ pounds. Even with a lot of dedication, many people will never get there.

-Zulu

 

[Cubanito17]

ZZuluZ dude your not getting what I'm saying I guess. I said this year I KNOW I WON'T MAKE IT TO 500 EVEN IF I GO THE DARK SIDE I was saying that in 4 years WHETHER OR NOT I go that way I'll hit 500lbs.

 

[ZZuluZ]

LOL, I'm just dense man. Not flaming you bro... no disrespect intended in my posts; I just misunderstood you. And hey, even if you did say that....don't let me stop you man. You seem very motivated, and that's key.

Cheers,

-Zulu

 

[brianmincher]

Zzulu,

don't ask questions like that posted to Jay on a public forum. I don't know if he will answer you or not, but that is not the way to discover what you are looking for.

Jay benches over 600 lbs. He can tell you or not tell you himself regarding his supplements. If you get to know someone real well and talk to them somewhere private you will have a better answer to your questions. And to all that are interested, I get all my gains from GNC


B

 

[powerlifterjay]

Thanks Brian.

After re reading my post i worded it wrong.

" If all it took was juice to make record lifts then, well....i would pull more then i do!"

Thats what i meant to say.

ZZuluZ i just answered ya little bro!