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thatdude11 said:
im 22 going on 23 in a few weeks...

no im not scared of a needle or i wouldnt have baught primo'

idk my first time.. im only trying to gain lean muscle.. and think out a little...

i am not trying to do test due to the bloat factor.. and i would rather stick to a substance with less sides..



also havoc is real PH- if you read up on it.. almost every person has gained atleast 10lbs..on a 6 week cycle..(if im not mistaken i read that they removed it from the shelves a few weeks ago due to it being found to be a loop hole in the steroid scene)


again, anything that is legal doesn't even compare to real steroids. Havoc won't give you 10 lbs lean gain in 6 weeks. not even close, you might gain 10 lbs, but it sure as hell isn't lean. If you want to gain lean muscle, anavar won't give you that much of a lean gain either. With 250mg test as well as the anavar you will gain a lot of lean muscle.
 
thatdude11 said:
im 22 going on 23 in a few weeks...

no im not scared of a needle or i wouldnt have baught primo'

idk my first time.. im only trying to gain lean muscle.. and think out a little...

i am not trying to do test due to the bloat factor.. and i would rather stick to a substance with less sides..



also havoc is real PH- if you read up on it.. almost every person has gained atleast 10lbs..on a 6 week cycle..(if im not mistaken i read that they removed it from the shelves a few weeks ago due to it being found to be a loop hole in the steroid scene)

How long have you been training? Your still at an age where you could be making great gains on diet and training alone. Why did you buy 1 amp of primo that isnt going to do anything for you....like someone already suggested if you wanna do juice you wanna go with test only for a first cycle if your concerned with bloat run a small amount of arimidex throughout. Bloat is good though as far as growing.....sounds like you have your mind made up you wanna use garbage PH's that are harsh on your liver that will give you all the sides of aas and you wont keep the gains....do what you want bro
 
plus if you keep sodium intake down and a clean diet you should be fine, just take some tamoxifen if you get sore nips but at 250 mg you shouldnt need it
 
If you are trying to lean up. You could go with Var+Creatine. I have gotten good results in my current cycle. I am 6'3 184. I little taller. But thats a good way to lean up. 40-60mgs and 10 mgs of creatine would be good. Great cuts.

Thats just my 2 cents.
 
n e way test on its own will still be better if you want less bloat go with prop if you dont mind the jabs 50mg ed or eod
 
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