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One of the best anti-marriage papers Ive read
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CrazyK said:
From an ex-married man to a soon-to-be married man, take this one piece of advice: get a prenup. It doesn't matter how much you love her or how strongly you feel that this is "the one" and your love will last forever and that nothing could possibly go wrong, GET THE PRENUP. Protect yourself man; better to have it and never need it than to not have it and lose everything years from now when it will hurt you most. And if she balks at getting a prenup and throws a fit, then take it as a good thing that you learned about that side of her now rather than after the fact. If she really cares for you and loves you then she will have no problem with a prenup.
Good luck bro, I once thought I had married forever too.
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Yasmina said:Obviously this article is written by a man stating he does not have a desire to get married. The article blames women and is one sided. Let’s not forget that there are bad women and bad men out there. The studies he is talking about were carried for men. But if you carry a study for women then you would get a different picture. People cannot make judgements on one flimsy baseless article. Who is Michael Weeks anyway? A Doctor a Judge a University Professor.
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This article is smudging women’s reputation. It is no news that men do not want to get married early on or at all for that matter (they want to play around find the right women blah blah blah). BUT SO DO MANY WOMEN - (we need to have fun and find the right guy too). I have met a lot of men who do not want to get married and a lot more women who do not either, for various reasons. Women who don’t want to get married (or form a commitment) is because they are very stable, have all they need to survive –career, money, house great family and friend support. And do not need some anyone’s riches – so guys relax. We do not have a hidden agenda to get you or your hard earned cash, house, cars etc – women are capable to have that stuff too deriving from their honest occupation. If you are talking about the Ivana Trump situation where the guy probably cheated on her - well she took him to the cleaners because he made her feel second class. She was in it for a life time and through his infidelity fucked up her life - so what is the woman to do - took the bastard to the cleaners to teach him a lessen and let him never forget her. Anyway that is revenge for her.
Women don’t want to get married because they do not have the pressures of yesteryear, they could at any time have a child using IVF or just find a one night stand, get pregnant and raise the child on their own. They do not have to put up with cheating, mentally and physically abusive men. IE on dates men staring at other women while they are on their wife’s side or giving priority to sports instead of housework, wives or their children. This type of behaviour affects wives and then she will feel compelled to get back at their husbands through revenge. Some men simply DO NOT GET IT, they do nothing to alleviate their wrongful behaviour. Violence at home; or the in-laws sticking their nose into the marriage and the husband does not stick up for his wife because he is still tied to his mummy’s apron.
Women do not have to wait for anyone to have children. Although it is probably good for the child to have input from his mother and father to have a balanced upbringing, but then again it’s not necessary. As you may know from gay relationships 2 men or 2 women rasing a child. So mentality has to change…
The old feminist argument about marriage being slavery for women applies only if the man does not share the marriage chores equally with his wife. Then you cannot deny the unfairness to her in that relationship. The author of the article does not specify where his research is coming from and by whom it has been conducted. What he is saying is not very convincing.
If a woman initiates a divorce it’s for the reason given above plus more. It is hard to believe that someone gets divorced FOR NO REASON AT ALL. If you do better research a reason will surface. This guy is implying throughout this article that women’s reasons for a break up are baseless!!! It sounds strange. Just because someone is silent (or does not give a reason) about a given matter it does not make them guilty or that a reason does not exist.
“”The odds are nearly 40 to 1 of the wife winning physical custody.””
It has the potential for unfairness but it is not stable for a child to move back and forth from one residence to another while they are young plus women are the primary care givers. And visiting rights will be interfered with if the man will speak badly of the mother to his children destroying her reputation, is a molester, is abusive, he is a drunk, if he has no time to look after them because he works to pay for their alimony. Alimony will be paid because the man contributed in making that child anyway – so take responsibility people and do not winged. Plus life is not cheap these days. In addition if you made a child then provide enough so he/she does not have to become a bum and become a burden on society because daddy had no cash (or was unwilling to provide enough) to send him to school. So the scope of the legislation wants to reach some foreseeable possible future situations here, hence alimony is imposed so high.
If you have noticed MW does not in any shape or form admit in the article to any wrong done by the men in the relationship. Is he saying they are faultless?? Hard to believe. It is all blamed on the woman. If you have any logic then you would question the validity of this article.
By the way pre-nup agreements should be signed by both women and men.
Just to make it clear lots of guys are fantastic and I am not against them I am just against people who point the finger at others, do not think logically and do not present the facts from both sides.
This is the most idiotic response I think I've ever read on these boards (and that says a lot!).
Your rationale is absolutely piss poor pathetic and you do nothing but strengthen MW's article (as Aristotle mentioned... BRAVO!!). So by your rationale if a man does <insert stupid ass reason here> to the woman then it is the woman's "duty" to take him to the cleaners and destroy his livelihood???
So by your same pathetic rationale if a woman so much as looks at another man, does not give me sex when I want (because that would make me happy and that is part of being a wife right!), does not do the laundry, does cook well enough for me, does not do all the chores, does not spend enough time with me watching sports (we would be spending time together and bonding right!) or cheats on me I have the right to beat the living shit out of her, rape her, and pound her into the ground?????? After all, the man will feel COMPELLED to do these things to take revenge on the woman. Is this the right way of reasoning???? Of course NOT you dumb douchebag!!
It's called taking the HIGH ROAD and being an ADULT. If a man (or woman) does something wrong in the marriage and someone initiates divorce, how about taking what's YOURS and YOURS ALONE then parting ways?? Do you think ruining somebody is morally and ethically right?? Do you know what being an ADULT is all about?? Do you feel that taking revenge and destroying a man's entire existence by taking him to the cleaners is taking the high road??? You are the type of lame woman who would take a guy for everything he's worth. If you truly do work for everything you have there should be no reason to do this, but I'm guessing you don't have much to begin with.
In most cases of divorce who is much more likely to end up with custody of the children?? It's a no brainer that women will. Are you going to tell me this is fair???
I feel sorry for the poor sucker that ends up with you.
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AristotleBC said:
AMEN! I agree fully with your posts Aristotle.
Yasmina taken to the cleaners by Aristotle 20/11/04.
Kroliczek
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Divorce should NEVER be used as a form of revenge. This is irrational.
There are always two sides to every story. We usually only hear one side. Men are both good and bad, women are both good and bad.
I think that pointing the finger is the pansy way out of situations.
I also do not believe , actually I LOATHE the idea of "taking someone to the cleaners." Bullshit.
There are always two sides to every story. We usually only hear one side. Men are both good and bad, women are both good and bad.
I think that pointing the finger is the pansy way out of situations.
I also do not believe , actually I LOATHE the idea of "taking someone to the cleaners." Bullshit.
geminitwins said:
Society needs to get a collective head-check.
wutangnomo said:
Yes, age does matter in this case because of life experience.
Weeks is merely taken someone else's facts about 60 men and mixed it with his opinion based on the allegedly reported experiences of 5 million divorced men.
He is 21 years old and in college with no real career, no real life experience as it pertains to the topic he is just recycling “information” he has found.
60 Single men.
I think there are more than 60 single men just on EF alone.
There are roughly 4 million men in NYC alone, I would be curious to know how many of them are divorced between the ages of 25-33. It is ignorant to think that only “the man” suffers in divorce.
Do men suffer, sure, can they lose a lot of their assets, of course but with divorce everyone loses (except the lawyers).
You can’t lump all divorces into a single category, there are different states of marriage and different factors that would changes the possible progression and outcome of a divorce. While I must admit I don’t envy the position of a man that’s the bread winner in a marriage turning to divorce with children involved I have to demand not to held dammed as a female for someone else’s sour outcome just because I have a vagina and not a penis.
I understand the apprehension that these men state that they feel but not all women are out to destroy the man and it would be nice if a man look beyond his own sex to realize that they are women out there just as “apprehensive”. There has been a change a rather large change from the generation prior to mine to the current one and it is not a good one.
The concept of family, respect, devotion and compassion has become damaged.
I understand the apprehension that these men state that they feel but not all women are out to destroy the man and it would be nice if a man look beyond his own sex to realize that they are women out there just as “apprehensive”. There has been a change a rather large change from the generation prior to mine to the current one and it is not a good one.
The concept of family, respect, devotion and compassion has become damaged.
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