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ok i did end up starting a cycle of anavar and this is week two...

when i weighed myself at the beginning of jan it said 104 and then last weekend it said 113! wtf? i have been shovelling down food and i don't appear bloated in the least... so what gives? it ain't sudden muscle i'm thinking although i'm already seeing some results (woohoo!).
 
If your seeing the results ......then let it be muscle SMALLS ;) Great for you.....keep shoveling in the good stuff, and you will make the big stuff :D
 
its muscle. Oxandrolone is made for involuntary wieght loss, so there's no need to tell you how good it works on a healthy person. BTW I doubt its water, and if so its not a lot....
 
sounds like its working well.

I know in guys to look for loss of ab fat - but not sure what the thing to look for in women is.

strength increase is a big one.

also if you can get some creatine, it maximizes your ability to use that.
 
wow smalls...i cant believe u started a cycle! cooooool beans grl!! u MUST post pics in about a month or so. ur going to luv anna!! enjoy!!
 
yeah i'll post a pic... i will be taking one every week. i swear my shoulders are already slightly more cut and slightly bigger after one week...

no probs so far that i can tell.
 
Good work Smalls. Although probably half of that is water weight of somekind(either intermuscular or subcutaneous), my motto is "when trying to gain weight any weight is acceptable. Now I'm not suggesting you turn into Fat Bastard from Austin Powers. But a little fat and water won't hurt. It's winter anyways and losing a few pounds of fat is well worth it in the end...

BTW...How has your strength gains been???
 
smallmovesal said:
yeah i'll post a pic... i will be taking one every week. i swear my shoulders are already slightly more cut and slightly bigger after one week...
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i know...just wait till u hit week 6 , 7,8, 9..... :p :p :p
 
strength is up to the point where, for instance, next week i'll be curling at least five pounds more i'm pretty sure... anyway, i notice the strength.

the thing i can't get over is how hard my muscles are... it's cooool.
 
well its your decision..and im sure you gave it alot of thought..but from my experience - I had awesome, unbelievable gains the first 6 mts. w/out any a/s

but its your body, money, etc....just my .02
 
Wow, I thought I would at least beat you in the "arms" race smalls, but it looks like you went nuclear before me. What made you decide to take the anavar plunge? Any specific thing, or was this just something inevitable that took a long time coming?

Anyhow, cool beans, and I hope you post your pics...

Wyst
 
HappyScrappy said:
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other than i sound like barry white.. no. ;)

luvs... yeah i know where you're coming from. my gains so far in this last week are practically outweighing my gains in all my months of lifting together though... (i got stressed with school and stopped lifting at the end of sept last year)... didn't lose too much of what i had from that.
 
wyst said:
Wow, I thought I would at least beat you in the "arms" race smalls, but it looks like you went nuclear before me. What made you decide to take the anavar plunge? Any specific thing, or was this just something inevitable that took a long time coming?

Anyhow, cool beans, and I hope you post your pics...

Wyst
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i did it because i find it really hard to make tons of gains and i wanted to get to a point where i'm happy with my size so i can maintain...
 
luvs2workout said:
didnt you just start working out like a few weeks ago or something????
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thats what i was thinking:rolleyes:

smalls u were asked if u had any sides,,,,,,,,,u said something about sounding like barry white,,,right????? i hope u were just kidding about that,,,because if u do,,,,,,,thats not a good sign,,,and its definitly not something to joke about
 
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smallmovesal said:


i did it because i find it really hard to make tons of gains and i wanted to get to a point where i'm happy with my size so i can maintain...
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What are your goals? Whose build of the people who've posted here most inspire you? How long will your cycle be? Do your friends know? has anyone noticed yet?

I'm just curious because I'm getting to the point where I'm about ready to see if the people I know who told me they can get this kind of stuff really can. Everyone else whose story I've followed on here while they cycling was already pretty hardcore, most of them were reporting on cycles othe than their first, or at the least they'd been training for like forever, etc. I'm really interested to here what it's like for more of a newbie like myself, which I take you to be in the posts I've read of yours I haven't read em all, since you've made nearly 10K posts, lol. That's sick! ;)

Just curious.

Wyst
 
my goals? i'm not going for a bb'ing look... i'm going for closer to an oxygen mag women look... mainly just seeing how much bigger i can get.

the build that inspires me.. hmm. well i'd say most of the women i see here are not built like me so i don't know. i'm trying to bulk up to a size that is reasonable for me... sorry i sound super vague.

one thing i've noticed this week is i'm STARVING all of the time.. i could eat forever! :p

don't know if that's me or the anavar.. i thought anavar suppressed appetite.
 
smallmovesal said:

don't know if that's me or the anavar.. i thought anavar suppressed appetite.
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My impression was that it wasn't so much that it suppressed appetite as that it helped you keep your gains even when you were cutting or had worked out into catabolism.

But I've never taken it, obviously.

I think Phem has a nice shape myself. She's the closest of the people on the board to being a shape that I think I can aspire to. Not many Asians posting pics on here, lol.

Wyst
 
i wasn't going to say anything but fuck it... i think luvs and hardbdgrl were pretty rude on this thread.

it's obvious you have a problem with me.. so save your hostility for whatever is the actual issue you have with me.
 
I think they had legitimate concerns. I also find it a little strange to take anavar, when you've clearly stated that you didn't follow a consistent plan the entire past semester. I was more shocked by those that were congratulating you.
 
I think I've read a lot of threads where smalls talks about her workouts and the like, no? I thought she laid off for bit during finals, but has worked pretty hard in general. She's got nice abs, I know that much.

Wyst
 
Smalls had some nice muscle def. going on before she did this..... I think this has given her the initiative (sp?) to work twice as hard, and she is seeing wonderful results. She is so lucky, cause she had no b/f to lose, only to put on muscle on that skinny frame. You are going to look most awesome hunny.....just email me your pics :D

Eat,Eat,Eat and lift hard...... you know the drill :fro:
 
smallmovesal said:
i wasn't going to say anything but fuck it... i think luvs and hardbdgrl were pretty rude on this thread.

it's obvious you have a problem with me.. so save your hostility for whatever is the actual issue you have with me.
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I dont think I was rude at all...I clearly stated this was just my .02 cents...as Pink said - I was actually shocked that most of the members were congratulating you rather than telling you like it is....where's Bmom, MS, wilson, new???? I think they would have all backed my opinion.....many, many times Ive heard "the more knowledgable board members" say that a/s is to be used when you've reached a plateau, when youve brought yourself about as far as you can naturally......I KNEW that couldnt be the case w/you - when you hadnt even be dedicated to lifting over the last year - just stating the facts, based on your posts - I rarely ever post anything negative, but I do recall w/in the last 2 weeks reading a post where a girl was clearly NOT ready for A/S - hell it looked like she had hardly touched a weight... I wrote the same thing to her...Im not trying to be rude as you called me...Honestly - I dont really care if you think Im rude or not - these are my opinions - if I had a best friend, I would tell her the same thing :)
 
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I can understand luv's point of view. But, Smalls didnt ask whether she should or shouldnt..... only posted in her thread she is.....at that point, all you can be is helpful and answer any questions, in my point of view.

She is a smart cookie, reads the boards continually, and knows what she needs to do.
 
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smalls you're going to look fantastic with the addition of new muscle!

...can’t wait to see your progress!

kel :)
 
I'm on Hardbdygrl's and Luvs side. I completely understand what they are talking about.

Everyone has different genetics........but have you seen HARDBDYGRL's pics lately? Please study her pics and tell me what you observe. She has worked out faithfully for 2 - 3 years w/out any AS, and now she is finally in her 10th week of one of the top forms of anavar (hard - correct me I'm wrong sweets) BECAUSE she wants more muscle.
I have been working out faithfully since May (but totally slacked off this past November and December). So its under a year. I mean, I have been working out 3 days a week, and strengthening my muscles by slowly upping the weights. I refuse to use any forms of AS because I know I can get the results I want to acheive w/out that stuff (like the physique you were mentioning on the cover of that mag). I push myself as hard as I am capable of, and I have forced myself to be dedicated to my workouts. I know I am working everything right when I look at myself in the mirror as I work out and see the muscles playing underneath my skin.
So like I have mentioned before Smalls, how's about in a few weeks or so we take pics and post to compare? I mean, we practically have the same body type like we talked about before...

You - have worked out for a year, little slacking for a bit, on anavar.
Me - have worked out for 8 months, slacked for 2 months, performing workouts "au natural".

Whaddya say toots??

Hardbdygrl - I hope you don't mind me referring to you
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Pink Space Biscuit said:
I think they had legitimate concerns. I also find it a little strange to take anavar, when you've clearly stated that you didn't follow a consistent plan the entire past semester. I was more shocked by those that were congratulating you.
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i could not have said it better myself.
Smalls i dont have a problem with u,,,and i dont thik i was being rude.
I have a problem with the fact that u are taking an anabolic steroid,,when u have not given your body enough food,sleep, and training,,,,
So u say u have been working out for a year,,,but take a look of what else went on througout that time. U posted several times that u stopped working out,,u dont sleep,,blah blah blah,,,,,

but hey its your body and your money that u are pissing away.

Azia baby thank you.. ur so sweet. But u are right,,,u slacked off a bit,,,ok thats fine,,,u get back in the gym,,,,

Smalls u slack off and then u want to take anavar,,,
The reason i started to take anavar was b/c eventually i want to compete in bodybuilding. If i was not going to compete,, I would not waste my money,,,trust me i would rather much be going shopping with the money i spend on as!!!!
 
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Oh, smalls, so you have only been working out the same amount of time as I have.........okay.
 
1) I have no idea why I'm defending smalls in light of recent events

2) if have read her posts, she has been working out for years - she used to row competitively - BUT, yes, hit a slump recently in grad school - which is easy to do in an art major due to time constraints and stress.

3) she didn't pay much for the cycle, and she has enough for about a years worth at the doses she is doing.

She is eating better, actually working out, and seeing results fast - if that is wrong in some of your eyes - then great, thanks for sharing - but it might be something where you choose the words more carefully before you say it - we all are sensitive to certain things and you might not know what sets a person off - or maybe you do and you say it just for spite.

That said - I personally thought she was going to take more time in getting her diet and workout in order - but as long as she is seeing results (and dramatic at that) - more power to her. granted being clean and coming back you get pretty fast and big results, so it might not be the drugs...

Don't know - but I wish her all the luck with it and hope that it is what she wants and she likes the results.
 
hardbdygrl said:



thats what i was thinking:rolleyes:

smalls u were asked if u had any sides,,,,,,,,,u said something about sounding like barry white,,,right????? i hope u were just kidding about that,,,because if u do,,,,,,,thats not a good sign,,,and its definitly not something to joke about
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Im going to quote my self..
someone enlighten me and tell me what is rude about this post????
 
well, the fact that i've noticed you side with luvs on said threads and the "retarded echo" response... whether well-intentioned or not... seems to suggest negativity with the rolling eyes for one.

that is all.
 
All I can say is......Smalls is a grown woman. If she wants to use AS. then offer the girl some advice and pointers. Don't knock her. It's her money if that's what she wants to spend it on then so be it.
 
now whether or not smalls has been slackin..not ready for AS or whatever shes decided to take it and IS taking it. discouraging her is not going to make her stop taking it or suddenly "enlighten" her. AS is really a personal decision and i dont think one can comment on another person's use. if ur natty ur natty if ur not ur not. we all work our asses off regardless and should be supporting each other. any sort of progress one makes is not because they pop a magic anavar pill or whatever... its going to come from hard work.

ok im done. ;)

Azia and Hbg... u know ur both my girls.. nothin personal babies... its just my opinion. lots of luv! KB
 
Ummm, what was the original question? :D

Smalls, from what I know you did your homework and have your diet and training nailed down.

I think you should have waited a little bit longer, but it's your decision so fuck what anyone else says.

My one piece of advice would be too keep a training log. Don't know if you're doing it already, but it's great when you can see exactly how much progress you're making every week. Sometimes the mirror isn't an accurate gauge of progress
 
Smalls its your body girl..and your choice..someone will always find something wrong w/ some decision you make no matter what it is..ya cant please everyone..and it is for you and not them right? So fuck the haters! I have seen you consistently come on this board looking for info and wanting to increase your size and build some good quality muscle...Keep your diet on track and make sure you hit the weights hard...Make it all worth your time and money! Ox is a great choice for you and you should see some nice gains that you are looking for.....keep us posted and good luck to you;)
 
If she has been working out for "years", then why was she sportin' the Olive Oil look? I seen that pic where she was sitting in a dress (at a wedding?), and if she has been working out for as long as everyone says, then she at least would have had a spec of something on her bones.
Just because you were athletic doesn't mean that you have reached a plateau in building muscle. Having an actual work out regimen and being athletic are 2 totally different things; you can be fit as a bunny being athletic (by having great endurance and agility) and concentrating on your sport, and then you can concentrate on working your muscles to build them, to make yourself stronger. I seriously don't think she tried hard enough at the gym to her full potential, it has been too soon for her to be able to reach a plateau. Like hardbdygrl said, she wasn't strict with her diet.........she wasn't taking care of her body properly prior to.

I'm not rolling my eyes, I'm not being a smart-ass.....I'm clearly stating my opinion. I know Smalls won't listen to a word I say, but I just wanted to get my point across. Let's get the big dawgs (the experts, the ladies who have done this for quite a few years)on here to see what they have to say about this, and then see how things roll out.
 
smallmovesal said:
well, the fact that i've noticed you side with luvs on said threads and the "retarded echo" response... whether well-intentioned or not... seems to suggest negativity with the rolling eyes for one.

that is all.
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What do you mean by "retarded echo"????
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new@gettinbig said:
Smalls its your body girl..and your choice..someone will always find something wrong w/ some decision you make no matter what it is..ya cant please everyone..and it is for you and not them right? So fuck the haters! I have seen you consistently come on this board looking for info and wanting to increase your size and build some good quality muscle...Keep your diet on track and make sure you hit the weights hard...Make it all worth your time and money! Ox is a great choice for you and you should see some nice gains that you are looking for.....keep us posted and good luck to you;)
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This is a first....Im actually surprised by your post

referring to Hardbygrl and I as "haters"

I guess NOTHING should surprise me anymore

Well - I didnt LEARN the things Ive said at the GYM - IT was from the vets on here!!!!!! I have READ it from MS, FC, IG, BMOM ---- are they HATERS also????????????
 
I think smalls' pics show that she is not as much a beginner as some people seem to think she is. I think in many of her posts she tends to deprecate her workouts, and does tend to refer to herself as skinny and a hardgainer, but she's actually in great shape. She's got a very small frame. I can totally sympathize, being japanese. Took me forever before people people could tell I was working out when they saw me in clothes, even though in my skivvies I was looking pretty buff (relatively speaking). Once the veins started showing up in my hands and forearms they finally got the picture, lol. But I'm still smaller than say some swedes I know at the gym I used to go to who did less work and had been at it for less time than me.
 
My ass is about to get FLAMMED!

But I have a question.......... Is it possible that in some small way that all this comotion could be caused by jealousy. Sometimes I think people on this board don't want others to acheive the success they have with their bodies. When Smalls posted this thread I feel that the replies should have consisted of tips from those who have use AS and support from those that have not.
Well I'll shut up now. This is not directed at anyone specifically. I just dont get what's going on because in my opinion i dont think any non-competitive woman shouldn't have to use AS but I'll support you if and when you do.
 
OK, OK.... let's not begin a flamefest where there need not be one.

I am sorry to say this, but Smalls I am SHOCKED that you are cycling. My opinion, is just that MY OPINION. You are grown and smart. I am at least comforted by the knowledge that you DID research and have been frequenting this board.

I have read through all of the posts and I DO NOT see where luvs or hrdbdgrl or any other board member for that matter was even remotely rude. What you are going to have to learn Smalls, is that when you make controversial decisions in life you will be put in the position of having to defend your choices merely because you made them... My shrink asked me (when I complained that while I was no longer bothered by society's opinion about my dancing but that it still bothered me that I felt the need to defend myself to some that were close to me about my dancing... they are not haters, but know that I am BETTER THAN THE JOB and only want me to get out ASAP... HELLO! That is what I want too. But for the time being I don't need to hear shit about it.) why I felt the need to defend myself if

A) I felt secure with what I was doing.

B) What they were saying wasn't really going to change my mind.

In other words, I needed to realize that there will always be people that would question some of my more controversial decisions, regardless of how well-intentioned those people were. And I needed to learn if I was secure with my decisions, then I needed to let them express their opinions, thank them for their concern and change the topic.

The fact that you chose to share this information on a public discussion board means that it is open for discussion. NOT EVERYONE will give you a standing ovation for "joining the club". And that should BE OK WITH YOU. It is YOUR BODY - YOUR MONEY - YOUR LIFE - YOUR DECISION.

For what it is worth. I believe you to be bright, witty and so beautiful with so much to offer the world. But from the posts that I have seen (forgive me, if I overstep my bounds... my uterus has been stretched and I do have an affection for you) you make, I don't think that YOU realize this. No amount of external "improvement" will help you come to this realization....

ON THIS TOPIC I AM AN EXPERT.

Yes, I have "the perfect body" and very youthful pretty face despite my age, I am very intelligent and well-spoken and have the capacity to love without condition... I have four beautiful children that are normal and healthy, am surrounded by a few solid LOVING and SUPPORTIVE friends and a sister and bro-in-law that have bent over backwards to help me out through the crisis that I faced last year - yet a little over a month ago I was SERIOUSLY ready to walk away from it all. I was going to give my ex EVERYTHING and just get into my car and drive as far as a tank of gas would take me, then find a quiet place to wait for death.

All this wonder to live for and so much ahead of me, yet I was so filled with self-doubt and pain that I couldn't see it. All I could do was see what I DIDN'T HAVE.... funny thing, I HAD IT ALL ALONG! ALL OF IT!!!

Smalls, look within yourself and find the strength to face what you fear most.... it is the only way.

Now for the first time in my life - I AM FREE! I feel ALIVE!... like I did when I was 19. The only difference is that today I am better. Many say, "It will be nearly impossible for you to find somebody with four children." HOW STUPID A COMMENT IS THAT?! First of all, I am not looking for anyone.

I realize for the first time in my adult life that I DO NOT NEED A MAN TO COMPLETE ME.

I am making decisions for the first time in my life - FOR ME and for the benefit of my children. Secondly, why on earth would I EVER want a man who was even REMOTELY ORDINARY?! :rolleyes:

See, when I was 19, I ONLY THOUGHT that there was nothing that I couldn't do.... now at 34, one bitter ugly divorce and four amazing little girls later - I KNOW IT!

True happiness comes from within!

Now that I have strayed waaaaaaay off topic. I think you need to believe in yourself Smalls. You would be AMAZED at what you can do if you TRULY WANT IT.

I am attaching before and after pics (forgive me if they are too big or not posted properly - I am such a computer dork). The first was taken when I was 22 - then second ten years and 4 children later. Yes, I did have a boob job and a foot of loose skin removed from my abdomen - NO A/S.

The decision to use A/S is extremely personal. There is no right and wrong. I am glad that you did take the time to research and are educated, but there are so many aspects of A/S use that you DO NOT know of.... psychological aspects - yet, they affect women TOO!

I wish you well, Smalls - I wish that there was some way that I could reach into my own heart and share with you the peace that is now there. :)
 
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We are all entitled to our own opinions, negative or postive, even neutral. You said that your jealousy comment was not directed towards anyone in particular, but obviously its against the ones whom don't really agree with what smalls is doing. Yes, she is a big girl and she can make her own decisions, so to each his own. I, for one, have absolutely nothing to be jealous about. I am highly proud of the way my body looks from working out and NOT using any types of AS, but thats just me. On what you have just stated about tips and support, I'm not supporting this issue. I can freely give constructive criticism as I would expect you all to do the same for me, again, negative OR positive. And, as I have said, the reason for me being so strongly on this is because I still believe she did not give her workout her best potential, keep on arguing against it, but I truly believe she could have worked much, much harder.
 
This was taken at my first bbing competition. I placed second in lightweight division. Not a big deal, but still my girls were proud of me for the first time EVER!.... and I was proud of me too!
 
hardbdygrl said:
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im sorry Bronz but JEALOUS?????????? that is just too funny.
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Did I say your name HBG? I didn't put you on blast so what makes you think I was talkin' bout you??????????????????
 
I didnt say u were talking about me,,,, i just thought that ur comment was funny. I mean there really are only about 3 people on this thread who disagree,,.. but anyway

I am not disagreeing with ur opinion,, because its YOUR opinion. I just thought saying people were Jealous was kinda funny! :D
 
hardbdygrl said:
I didnt say u were talking about me,,,, i just thought that ur comment was funny. I mean there really are only about 3 people on this thread who disagree,,.. but anyway

I am not disagreeing with ur opinion,, because its YOUR opinion. I just thought saying people were Jealous was kinda funny! :D
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Well I'm glad that I could amuse you; my day is complete :) And although I don't agree with your opinion, I still think your body rocks, and soon Smalls will too.
 
And finally, just to give you some perspective on what can be done in a short period of time. My comp pick (yes, I know I STILL DON'T have a freaking bicep peak to speak of! hehehehe, but my legs have come aloooooooong wya ehhehehehehhe) was taken in May of 00. I am posting this modeling pic that was taken in Oct of 99. In the modeling pic I am about 108# (I don't know my bf%). In the comp pic I was 108# at about 9%bf.... NO A/S - NO diuretic - NO CLEN - NO T3 - NO Novladex - only an over the counter ECA stack and fucking HARD WORK!

See Smalls..... there is nothing you can not do if you want it badly enough.

Did you know that people out and laughed at me when I said that I was going to do a bbing competition? Just the way they laughed when I told them that I was going to model. Did it hurt? Yes, it did, but I took that negative energy and used it for POSITIVE FUEL AND MOTIVATION!

We can ALL do it!
 
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Did I say your name HBG? I didn't put you on blast so what makes you think I was talkin' bout you??????????????????
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Welll considering theres only MUAH and Azia left......if its me your referring to - WRONG AGAIN - I am jealous of no one..I may joke like "god - Im so jealous, your this or that rocks"..whatever as a way of speaking...I am always MORE than complimentary, supportive to the girls on here...especially the ones like Bmom, hardby, pump, etc..I could go on and on about the beautiful girls

thats a cop out comment....it was never meant to be a flame fest - only an opinion..nothing more, nothing less...you guys turned it into what it is

Hey Golfer - you see me on a daily basis in the skimpiest of clothes at the gym --- do you think I have a reason to be jealous of smalls?? hunh???????:think:
Im not the type of chick who says or thinks,,,I look better than you, etc....I can clearly see my areas of improvement, but jealous is not me

Azia - you the only chick left??? Im sorry Bronz, but w/an avatar like that - I have a hard time believing its her either :)
 
Like I said when I posted it I knew I was gonna get flammed do I care, uhhhh NO! If you are not jealous, that's great! The moral of the story is Don't hate Congratulate! Ciao
 
AziaReign said:

And, as I have said, the reason for me being so strongly on this is because I still believe she did not give her workout her best potential, keep on arguing against it, but I truly believe she could have worked much, much harder.
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I'm indifferent whether she takes it or not or whether anyone does. But I really do agree with what Azia said.

IMO this situation is no different than the one a few weeks ago where a woman used A/S to help her lose weight. Something she could have pushed herself to through proper diet and lifting. The easy, yet expensive and somewhat risky way maybe (when you aren't at any sort of platuea)? Maybe putting that money into the pills makes you not want to cheat and gives you that edge.

But yes, it is shocking to see types of support for the use, of course we should support her, when the other 90% of the time there are questions about have you reached your plateau and statements like that's nothing a little hard work and dedication can't do.
 
bikinimom said:
And finally, just to give you some perspective on what can be done in a short period of time. My comp pick (yes, I know I STILL DON'T have a freaking bicep peak to speak of! hehehehe, but my legs have come aloooooooong wya ehhehehehehhe) was taken in May of 00. I am posting this modeling pic that was taken in Oct of 99. In the modeling pic I am about 108# (I don't know my bf%). In the comp pic I was 108# at about 9%bf.... NO A/S - NO diuretic - NO CLEN - NO T3 - NO Novladex - only an over the counter ECA stack and fucking HARD WORK!

See Smalls..... there is nothing you can not do if you want it badly enough.

Did you know that people out and laughed at me when I said that I was going to do a bbing competition? Just the way they laughed when I told them that I was going to model. Did it hurt? Yes, it did, but I took that negative energy and used it for POSITIVE FUEL AND MOTIVATION!

We can ALL do it!
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You look SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO good!!!!!!
 
Sorry girls but...........

First off, Smalls get off the rag. Go workout then try AS. Luvs and Azia are over 100% correct about AS usage. So you think someone who works out "on and off" can just use AS? If you think, you really need to research more.


Secondly, I have seen Luvs body, she is second to none in my gym (except for me. j/j) I think she knows what she is talking about.


All your other online friends can say " Yeah, your gonna get great gains" But guess what? You can achieve those gains without AS in the same amount of time.

I guess I'll get my sister to workout for a week and get her on AS.:rolleyes:


Your not too smart, your going to spend money on something you can achieve NATURALLY!:confused:
 
BronzedGoddess said:
Like I said when I posted it I knew I was gonna get flammed do I care, uhhhh NO! If you are not jealous, that's great! The moral of the story is Don't hate Congratulate! Ciao
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Your an idiot. This is not a flame,its true.


"Dont hate congratulate"? What the hell is that?


I could put your knowledge of AS on a fuckin post-it.
 
Golfer18 said:



Your an idiot. This is not a flame,its true.


"Dont hate congratulate"? What the hell is that?


I could put your knowledge of AS on a fuckin post-it.
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I'm an idot, Ok you have spoken so I guess that makes it so. Smalls is going to use AS whether I like it, you like it or if anyone else likes it or not. I'm not going to put her down I'm going to encourage her to eat right, train hard and get her moneys worth.
As far as my knowledge of AS............I know I dont need it but that's my decision!

But I'll shut up now since I'm such a f*cking idiot.........and may I please see your PHd.
 
Amazing how heated this thread is (well not flame level, but obviously everyone has an opinion). I guess I gotta throw in my $0.02. I saw small's 2 week pix and said "great bis"! Actually it is cool because some people just can't get the peak going and its there! HOWEVER... I missed the post about starting the cycle. I was suprised too. I personally believe that you have to "earn" the "right" (or whatever u want to call it) to use AS - you are altering your body for better or for worse and first, you are cheating yourself if can't honestly say you have hit your peak potential naturally, and second, you need to be educated as to what it is you are putting into your body.

I know smalls is doin' the edumacating because she's on here asking and reading all the time. Props to ya girl!. Being athletic does not necessarily correspond to having goals of gaining muscle mass, so "being athletic" doesn't necessarily apply to reaching your natural potential. And a year of training doesn't constitute reaching your natural potential by any stretch. I did two comeptitions in 2000 and traind my muthafuckin ass off like I have never done and I know I didn't hit my full natural potential, but I think I was damn close. Some of the best compliments I got from all that work was on my back -- and that was because I've loved training my back for the last 15 years = "mature muscle" (I love that term "mature"....:rolleyes: )

At any rate, its a done deal. Don't get too excited about the day by day results to the point that you won't be able to handle NOT being on it... just a thought.
 
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I'm an idot, Ok you have spoken so I guess that makes it so. Smalls is going to use AS whether I like it, you like it or if anyone else likes it or not. I'm not going to put her down I'm going to encourage her to eat right, train hard and get her moneys worth.
As far as my knowledge of AS............I know I dont need it but that's my decision!

But I'll shut up now since I'm such a f*cking idiot.........and may I please see your PHd.
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Sorry no PHd babes, but i know when to juice and when NOT to juice.
 
Umm...Golfer, I am curious, where in B.R. are yu and Luvs? You can e-mail me if ya want. I was in the Red Stick for 22 yrs. then moved to be close to the beach.
 
thanks for all the comments.

sassy i wasn't saying i've hit my peak at this point at all... when i rowed i was in better shape but they had us rowing 5hrs a day/5days a week... regardless, i was still "olive oil" but i weighed 117 lbs. they kept trying to get me to cox because of my size. but that is neither here nor there.

bmom you know i loves ya... thanks for the inspiring pics.

i really didn't start the cycle out of any self-loathing though. promise. i'm actually learning to be more comfortable in my skin and i don't hate my body at all, no matter how thin i am. :)
 
I know smalls -- not being a hater or a congratulator - your decision and a done deal. I wish you much luck w/ it and look forward to the results! I think my point was just to reiterate the need to consider what one's goals are and if AS is the right path to those goals or just a quick one. I guess just playing devil's advocate on a topic that is near and dear to all of our hearts.

I'll be interested to see if you notice your appetite increasing at all - 2500 cal is prob a lot for you - I"m pursuing 3000 cal and I'm getting sick of eating. I dont' get any raging hunger and I'm training 2x/day.
 
Smalls, I saw your 2 wks in photos. They look good and I am glad you are seeing results right away. I had a question though. You had posted in 04/2001 that you were new to the weight training thing. Have you weight trained before then? Not starting anything here, just more curious to see why some people choose to take AS early on in their training.:)
 
no i hadn't weight trained before last feb... well, not seriously. in high school they made us lift for our basketball team but i don't count that... and honestly i bench pressed more than all but one person on my team at that time (they were 150+lb 5'10" girls)..

i also used to row competitively and man you can gain mass like crazy doing that (and at the frequency we trained)...

so i'm not a stranger to muscle... just moreso to learning lifting.
 
Smalls, did you have/gain mass when you were rowing? If so, how come you don't take it back up in order to complement your cycle? Wouldn't that help along with the lifting, maybe as a different stimulus to encourage growth?
 
i did gain a lot of mass rowing... we rowed a TON though. i would row again if i could here.. and i can't. no rowing where i'm living (plus if i move back home i really don't like the people who run the club in my city)...

i intend to take it back up wherever i do move for work though.

azia... why don't you drop it already? if you aren't jealous, you're looking it by persisting and searching my archives (which would take a lot of work lol).
 
smallmovesal said:
no i hadn't weight trained before last feb... well, not seriously. in high school they made us lift for our basketball team but i don't count that... and honestly i bench pressed more than all but one person on my team at that time (they were 150+lb 5'10" girls)..

i also used to row competitively and man you can gain mass like crazy doing that (and at the frequency we trained)...

so i'm not a stranger to muscle... just moreso to learning lifting.
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smalls u just said,,,,,u could gain mass while rowing and by working out frequantly,

sooooo if u know this to be true,,,,why not do it. and allow ur self to reach the goals u want. Then if ur still not happy use the AS
 
What many do not realize is that A/S has a psychological aspect.... a placebo effect, if you will. It is nearly impossible to notice THAT much of a difference in such a short time. But because the individual is "on" they eat better, sleep better, train harder - eventually the A/S kicks in and BANG - you see some awesome results. BUT - once "off" they feel weaker, and as they lose some hardness, strength and size feel that they NEED A/S.... they may lose their drive, eat less, party more... etc and they begin to REALLY lose gains..... EVERYONE can deny that this happens - BUT IT DOES!

Granted, it is much easier for a woman to keep MOST of her gains when off, but VERY FEW people realize the importance of training JUST AS HARD, RESTING JUST AS MUCH and EATING JUST AS WELL when COMING OFF.... So, the cycle begins.

I am not saying that this HAPPENS TO EVERYONE - but unless someone has been training, dieting, etc for quite some time and is TRULY comfortable in their own skin and dedicated to all aspects of training (diet, rest, etc), whether lean and mean or fat and happy - the transition between "on cycle" and "off cycle" is VERY PSYCHOLOGICALLY DIFFICULT. THIS IS WHY THE VETS TELL MOST PEOPLE TO WAIT! Even those who have seen the changes that their bodies go through - holding water, hard and lean, smooth and strong - WHATEVER have a bit of difficulty when thier bodies are no longer "contest ready". Anyone who says that this is not true has either never been there or is a bold-faced LIAR!

OK - having said this, could WE PLEASE keep the egos in check and stop calling names. This doesn't help matters. This is a very heated topic and regardless of what cheap shots we take the facts remain the same:

A) Some people will use no matter what.

B) Some will use with little or NO knowledge WHATSOEVER.

C) Some will have sides that will be with them FOREVER and will have a body no better than it was before, have less motivation and drive than they did before as they discover (at quite a high price) that A/S WAS NOT the magic they were promised or that they were lead to believe, and will curse the day they crossed over.

Let us:

A) Keep our moral judgments to ourselves - it ain't helpin' NOBODY.

B) Continue to share our knowledge and experiences.

C) Debate intelligently.


Remember people -

KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!

Me, I prefer to arm myself with knowledge and make my own decisions - decisions that suit ME. If you agree with me, cool. If not - that is EQUALLY COOL.... I can agree to disagree.
 
Damn BM, very well stated:) This has gotten really catty:( and I can hardly believe that you ladies have let it get this far into a flamefest... This usually happens in the Anabolic forum:rolleyes: It is her body... her decision.... let it go... forget about it.. chill out:mix:
 
smallmovesal said:
i did gain a lot of mass rowing... we rowed a TON though. i would row again if i could here.. and i can't. no rowing where i'm living (plus if i move back home i really don't like the people who run the club in my city)...

i intend to take it back up wherever i do move for work though.

azia... why don't you drop it already? if you aren't jealous, you're looking it by persisting and searching my archives (which would take a lot of work lol).
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Excuse me, are you getting lippy with me? Azia don't get jealous, sorry. I was trying to find your pics that everyone was talking about with a search and I came across others. I was using them as a comparison. And NO, it does not take a lot of work if you know how to use the search.
 
OK... if anyone wants to start a NEW thread where we can discuss these issues SANS flame-throwers - feel free.

It pains me to have to do this. I feel that all of the issues touched on in this thread in AN INTELLIGENT FASHION are EXTREMELY discussion-worthy.....
 
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