ok, so who is natural...

[ColdCut]

lost 42 pounds of fat and gained 7 in muscle

congrats bro! thats a lot of weight. Im natty here too, lost nearly 30 pounds, and 6 inches off my waist

 

[obiwan9962]

congrats bro! thats a lot of weight. Im natty here too, lost nearly 30 pounds, and 6 inches off my waist

ty
congrats to you too

 

[SubjectiveIllusion]

I'm natty too!

Here's my diet:

1. Food Guide Pyramid
2. 1/2 a Centrum
3. 250 mg of magnesium

In 3 months I've lost about 20 lbs and increased in strength. It's possible to be natty and look good!

 

[Sebass67]

I disagree with your definition...
I think of natural as within a certain amount of parameters...
Supps are ok.
Gym is ok.
Running, etc. is all good.
Basically the only thing a natural person is limited by is steroid use...
If someone had one cycle i don't consider them natural, and i think people on prohormones aren't natural either...my opinion but yeah it just levels the playing field a bit. I think on another thread i was comparing two individuals..juice and no juice and how to compare them. For lack of no other reason, i would think that a definition of natural and enhanced simply make it easier when comparing strength lifts of different people. You find out what group you are in and compare...

My .02 cents.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Sebass, if we are using it for purposes of comparison, prehaps we should break up the enhanced groups too. Someone who uses 500 mg of test a week, is from a blood serum test level, alot closer to a natural individual (only about 2X the test level) than say a serious competative bodybuilder or athelete who uses 3000 mg of test a week, 50 mg a dbol a day, and 100 mg of tren a day, with hgh and insulin.

The bigest variation is actually among enhanced atheletes due to the wide assortment of drugs and doses used by individuals based on their needs, goals, and willingness to use more aggressive stacks.

 

[anthrax]

I guess some people may be considered "natural" even though they are juicing (for example men taking T for hormonal replacement as a therapeutic use)

whereas some others are not natural even though they aren't juicing (but taking insulin, GH or others supps)

BTW nothing is black or white, natural or not-natural-juiced-druged-freak-chemicallyEnhanced

 

[obiwan9962]

hey i know peeps that don't even believe in vitamins and minerals

lucky fate as seen to make them sick about 10 times more a year than i am
lol

 

[super_rice]

water and steak.

 

[faller]

I don't know why people like to really complicate the definition of "natural" (I'm not refering to anyone here, but someone posted articles before). Juice= Not natural, no juice=natural. If you are on HRT and getting actual HRT doses, then I would say natural, but how many people who are on HRT don't bump it up a little? Prohormones I do see as a hard-to-define area. I suppose if they are outlawed we can just dump them with the juice.

 

[UA_Iron]

I would consider myself all natural at this point as I dont juice and dont take any prohormonal stuff.

Supplements I guess are the grey area with prohormones and testosterone precursors. I have taken some of that shit before and it did absolutely nothing as far as I can tell. Its easy to fall into the hype surrounding the newest latest and greatest supplement. With all this crap floating around its easy to lose sight of the basics such as diet. Diet will have a greater impact on your body while training than anything else. ~goes off on a tangent~