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Natural is defined by natural bodybuilding competitions, as someone who does not use prescription or illegal drugs. Thus, insulin, being over the counter, 1-test (available legally at any suppliment store), and other such things is natural, while those who use test cyp, hgh, etc are not natural.
I think of it as really a romantic notion with no absolute meaning. Personally, I do not consider the average joe to be natural. Its virtually impossible for a man to obtain a 25% bf with foods found in nature. Only by being sedintary (totally unatural for a human) and by eating processed foods, containing many ingrediates made in chemical vats, do we see this type of physique.
Also bear in mind, that even the act of weight training, with manufatured machines and weights, on a regular routine, for the purpose of building muscle mass, is not at all natural, and you are in effect, making huge changes to your hormone levels, cells, etc by using this man made devices. I do not consider it to be any less natural than injecting steroids. I only consider a natural bodybuilder (the very phrase is of course an oxymoron) to be natural if he eats absolutely no refined foods, and does not train with weights.
Of course, most people will disagree, since there is no clear or logical defination of what a natural bodybuilder or athelete is, and ANY effort to do so, will create a definition that someone can prove to be false, by finding a flaw in it.
I think of it as really a romantic notion with no absolute meaning. Personally, I do not consider the average joe to be natural. Its virtually impossible for a man to obtain a 25% bf with foods found in nature. Only by being sedintary (totally unatural for a human) and by eating processed foods, containing many ingrediates made in chemical vats, do we see this type of physique.
Also bear in mind, that even the act of weight training, with manufatured machines and weights, on a regular routine, for the purpose of building muscle mass, is not at all natural, and you are in effect, making huge changes to your hormone levels, cells, etc by using this man made devices. I do not consider it to be any less natural than injecting steroids. I only consider a natural bodybuilder (the very phrase is of course an oxymoron) to be natural if he eats absolutely no refined foods, and does not train with weights.
Of course, most people will disagree, since there is no clear or logical defination of what a natural bodybuilder or athelete is, and ANY effort to do so, will create a definition that someone can prove to be false, by finding a flaw in it.
obiwan9962
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obiwan9962 said:
dropped off ckd and went back to str8 atkins since i plateau'd
i have deleted flax seed oil and added flax meal and udo's oil
deleted omega369 and going strickly with pacific salmon oil
added yohimbe
plus a drug store full of other vitamins most significant of which is boron, a tyrosine containing supp and a methionine choline inositol blend
mind you i am in this strictly for weight loss
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obiwan, I have as of yet to figure out why some people buy suppliments with omega 9 oils such as 3-6-9 blends. I tbs of olive oil has 10 grams of it, and most of the fat in natty peanut butter is omega 9. When you think about it, most people's diets contain more omega 9 fats (the primary monounsatured fat consumed) than any other type of fat.
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BodyByFinaplix said:
i took the omega 369 to aid my artritis and for weight loss
now i find the salmon oil works best for both these
and i eat a 2 pound jar of pbutter a week
plus about a cup of olive oil and another of peanut oil for cooking
ty for the info bro
merry xxxmas
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Merry Chistmas to you as well bro. I have a party to go to soon. I would agree with you on the salmon oil. It is your best choice for relieving joint inflamation, due to its high concentrations of EPA and DHA. I use 6 grams of salmon oil daily, but take flax as well.
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i take 9 grams of salmon oilBodyByFinaplix said:
but use udo's now instead of flax oil
i use flax meal in alot of my cooking as a thickener
have fun at the party bet you will have a great time
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I would agree with Udo on eating n-3 to n-6 in a 2:1 ratio, but blending oils to such a mix (since flax is more like a 2.7:1 ratio) as he does with Udo's Oil, is rather pointless, since most foods we eat have a much higher amount of n-6 than n-3, thus giving use the need for oils such as flax, with a much higher n-3 content in order to balance it out. Still Udo's Oil is an excellent source of EFA's, and is a high quality food source so I'm not knocking it, only pointing out the flaw in the logic of "perfect blends".
Yeah, the party should be fun. Its at my sister's and she is cooking. Her minor is gourmet cooking (she is only is school part time since she started her own business), so its always great. She eats clean, and cooks that way, so I get to listen to everyone else in the family bitch about the food, with the exception of about 3 or 4 of us, who find their compaining amusing, since 2 of them have been "really trying to lose weight", yet have broken the 300+ ibs mark while "dieting", and asking me for diet advice over the years. Hmmm... how does a woman gain 180 ibs in 2 years, while "deiting really hard". Hmmm... I suspect its her 4000 calorie cheat meal she eats every night after her 8 slim fast shakes earlier in the day. Her attempt at adkins failed because she took a cheat day every 2nd or 3rd day, literally. I give up.
Yeah, the party should be fun. Its at my sister's and she is cooking. Her minor is gourmet cooking (she is only is school part time since she started her own business), so its always great. She eats clean, and cooks that way, so I get to listen to everyone else in the family bitch about the food, with the exception of about 3 or 4 of us, who find their compaining amusing, since 2 of them have been "really trying to lose weight", yet have broken the 300+ ibs mark while "dieting", and asking me for diet advice over the years. Hmmm... how does a woman gain 180 ibs in 2 years, while "deiting really hard". Hmmm... I suspect its her 4000 calorie cheat meal she eats every night after her 8 slim fast shakes earlier in the day. Her attempt at adkins failed because she took a cheat day every 2nd or 3rd day, literally. I give up.
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lol
well i tried every diet known to man before going low carb
and yes i was approaching the flabby 300 mark
atkins worked for me
i went on ckd for a while but plateau'd so i am back on atkins
happy with my bulk really
just wanna slim down and be able to fit into normal clothes again
started out at 276 and sixe 46 pants xxl shirt mid august
i am 5'5
i am now 240 and size 40 pants and xl shirt
i would like to be a 36 and large shirt
my goal
well i tried every diet known to man before going low carb
and yes i was approaching the flabby 300 mark
atkins worked for me
i went on ckd for a while but plateau'd so i am back on atkins
happy with my bulk really
just wanna slim down and be able to fit into normal clothes again
started out at 276 and sixe 46 pants xxl shirt mid august
i am 5'5
i am now 240 and size 40 pants and xl shirt
i would like to be a 36 and large shirt
my goal
>I suspect its her 4000 calorie cheat meal she eats every night after her 8 slim fast shakes earlier in the day. Her attempt at adkins failed because she took a cheat day every 2nd or 3rd day, literally. I give up.
That is too funny! I used to have wt management for my concentration, and that's why I left it! I found I can give a burn patient anything I want through a tube feed!
That is too funny! I used to have wt management for my concentration, and that's why I left it! I found I can give a burn patient anything I want through a tube feed!
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