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(O)tbol vrs Var

Tbol or anavar

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nzbro

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Well iv done a Ot cycle only was impressed gained 5 kg lbm and lost 2% bf%
Strengh was amazing
ran it for 4 weeks after the 3.5 week mark sort of lost it's "magic"
Now Im living in nz , just moved from the uk , so my next cycle is going to be paper only as i cant afford to be deported , if customs nabs me ,
So until i can find a domestic source for test
Gonna have to choose between var or tbol
ill run the var at 50 mg ed 8 weeks
and the tbol at 50-60mg ed for 4 weeks
Is the var worth paying the extra $$$ so i can go the extra 4 weeks
Or should i stick to tbol :)
 
nzbro said:
Well iv done a Ot cycle only was impressed gained 5 kg lbm and lost 2% bf%
Strengh was amazing
ran it for 4 weeks after the 3.5 week mark sort of lost it's "magic"
Now Im living in nz , just moved from the uk , so my next cycle is going to be paper only as i cant afford to be deported , if customs nabs me ,
So until i can find a domestic source for test
Gonna have to choose between var or tbol
ill run the var at 50 mg ed 8 weeks
and the tbol at 50-60mg ed for 4 weeks
Is the var worth paying the extra $$$ so i can go the extra 4 weeks
Or should i stick to tbol :)
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Did you get any sides from the tbol. What pct did you run? I have also been trying to decide between the two. . thanks bro.
 
Anavar is for children... Have you ever seen old photos of those East Germans who won gold medals on Tbol?

No comparison.
 
mendo said:
Anavar is for children... Have you ever seen old photos of those East Germans who won gold medals on Tbol?

No comparison.
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I'd like to see a child on 60-100mg of anavar everyday, that would be interesting
 
he means that anavar is what they give to kids who aren't growing properly. but yes this question is one that i want to know as well. i am gonna get tbol or var to stack with my eq. seems like tbol is awesome. how hard on the body is tbol
 
I had no sides
Used nova 20 mg/ed for 2 weeks 1 day after i took the last day of tbol , I Think the half life is 8-9 Hours
Alot of people from other boards say you dont need pct , But i think most have come to the conculstion That var/tbol does shut you down
Which imo It does :)

How hard is tbol On the body , dunno Got my blood work done everything was fine !
 
cool, just wondered if we are comparing to var, and knowing how safe var is, wanted to know if it was as easy on the body as var.
 
bruce410 said:
he means that anavar is what they give to kids who aren't growing properly.
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Thanks man I know that though, i was saying that kids don't get 60-100mg daily so you have to look at it that way, it is alot more effective at these high doses. I am running tbol right now and so far I prefer the var.
 
nzbro said:
I had no sides
Used nova 20 mg/ed for 2 weeks 1 day after i took the last day of tbol , I Think the half life is 8-9 Hours
Alot of people from other boards say you dont need pct , But i think most have come to the conculstion That var/tbol does shut you down
Which imo It does :)

How hard is tbol On the body , dunno Got my blood work done everything was fine !
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Your opinion is right. Anything that supresses your natural test levels can shut you down.
 
Var can be very useful if you take enough...but thats just it...it takes a whole lot of Var to get anywhere near the results of Tbol IMO. So if you look at it mg for mg...dolla for dolla. No comparison at all.
 
Yeah save the $$$$ :)

just wondering on the gain side of things 4 weeks of tbol vrs 8 weeks of var :)

How long do you guys wait between cycles of tbol :) it been 6 months for me
But was wondering run 4 weeks how long off then another 4 weeks
 
Now fact is I did a short cycle of OT, and now I'm starting an 8 weeker for var. Both done single. I'll keep you posted. :)
 
MrRTTB said:
how long is the rdetection time on this Tbol???
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Those facts are not to be found, as nobody got any real amount of knowledge about tbol.

But, I'l bet it somewhere around 2weeks.
 
MrRTTB said:
how long is the rdetection time on this Tbol???
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I read some where that the east germans stoped 5 days before tests and They where clear
But as i said i think i read it on steroid.com
peace :)


mmm Tbol
 
nzbro said:
I read some where that the east germans stoped 5 days before tests and They where clear
But as i said i think i read it on steroid.com
peace :)


mmm Tbol
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this is true, anywhere you read about tbol will mention this. athletes were given 20mg ed and 5 days after were negative on drug tests. now at 40-50mg ed which is normal dose, think it would be more, but maybe not. i'm sure someone on here does.
 
Neo22 said:
WHat exactly are the positive effects of tbol? Does it do any hardening up?
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i hear its tren like effect with no sides and a little less intense. the gains won't be as good as tren, but similar. solid gains of good muscle is what i have been told by longtime users
 
Well. It's true I gained fast, rather much, and kept nearly all. But unlike tren I gained no strength what so ever.
But it was a hazzle free experience.
 
I am getting some OT at the end of this week. Going to run it at 40mg/day to start, then up to 60mg/day if I like it. This will be the end of my cycle probably, lol, though I always say it's the end my cycles go on forever :)
 
Tux said:
I am getting some OT at the end of this week. Going to run it at 40mg/day to start, then up to 60mg/day if I like it. This will be the end of my cycle probably, lol, though I always say it's the end my cycles go on forever :)
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how long has your cycle been going on :evil:
 
I think since october maybe? Of 2004 lol. Not very high doses most of the time, i tend to run a cycle, then bridge with something light, then ramp it up again. I have freakin' terrible genetics, I cannot gain weigh for the life of me. I'm thinking of cutting my workouts back to only 4 days a week to see if that helps, maybe i'm spending too many calories in the gym.
 
bruce410 said:
i am gonna get tbol or var to stack with my eq. seems like tbol is awesome.
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Sweet. I've got my EQ on hand and have been considering throwing Tbol for my stack. I have dbol on hand, but I've been down that road many times and am really looking for some leaner gains.

What else you running with it? Standard PCT? HCG during cycle? just curious :)

BB
 
My question is would Tbol be benefitial for females? I use var and I see great results, it shreds me up really good. However I would love to see more results. Would tbol be something I should look in?
Now, I have only done 2 cycles of var. Would tbol be too advanced for me to jump into?
 
zZzStarGazer said:
My question is would Tbol be benefitial for females? I use var and I see great results, it shreds me up really good. However I would love to see more results. Would tbol be something I should look in?
Now, I have only done 2 cycles of var. Would tbol be too advanced for me to jump into?
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I've never talked to a woman who's tried it...but I know that it was used by females on the E German olympic team in the 1960s. They definately got results. Its not very androgenic so it seems like you could avoid most bad sides. I would start with a very low dose and see how it goes though...maybe like 10 mg/ day at first, just to be safe. It does leave your system pretty fast...I've heard around 48 hrs.

Good luck.
 
"The potential side effects of OT usually depend on the dosage level and are gender-specific. in women, depending on their predisposi-tion, the usual virilization symptoms occur and increase when dos-ages of more than 20 mg per day are taken over a prolonged time."

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nzbro, thanks for the reference.. I didn't find much on how it works on women. or perhaps I was browzing too fast.
i came 'round this which is sound advice. My intentions are not to bulk up muscle mass, i really want a nice toned fitness model's physique that's not to defined. I'd like to still have curves. Would tbol be good for this or should I stick to the var?
 
bigbair said:
Sweet. I've got my EQ on hand and have been considering throwing Tbol for my stack. I have dbol on hand, but I've been down that road many times and am really looking for some leaner gains.

What else you running with it? Standard PCT? HCG during cycle? just curious :)

BB
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hey man, my cycle is looking different now. i am gonna run deca and test with the tbol. loved deca last time so i have no reason to switch. yeah i am using hcg 250iu a week next time so my balls don't shrink period. i learned this from a huge bber tha does not ever use test, just hcg.
 
zZzStarGazer said:
"The potential side effects of OT usually depend on the dosage level and are gender-specific. in women, depending on their predisposi-tion, the usual virilization symptoms occur and increase when dos-ages of more than 20 mg per day are taken over a prolonged time."

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nzbro, thanks for the reference.. I didn't find much on how it works on women. or perhaps I was browzing too fast.
i came 'round this which is sound advice. My intentions are not to bulk up muscle mass, i really want a nice toned fitness model's physique that's not to defined. I'd like to still have curves. Would tbol be good for this or should I stick to the var?
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You should definitely stick to the var considering your goals and the potential for embarrassing side effects.
 
bruce410 said:
hey man, my cycle is looking different now. i am gonna run deca and test with the tbol. loved deca last time so i have no reason to switch. yeah i am using hcg 250iu a week next time so my balls don't shrink period. i learned this from a huge bber tha does not ever use test, just hcg.
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Nice. I'm going on vacation next week and will probably start shortly after I get back.

You said 250iu a week. Is that once a week for the duration of the cycle? Just tryin' to layout my PCT and whatever ancillaries I need during cycle. Thanks

BB
 
i'm starting my next cycle with t-bol so i'll keep you all informed on my experience with it. my next cycle will be:
1-10 500 eq
1-4 tbol 40mg ed (i might run it 6 weeks..not sure yet)
6-12 masteron 100mg eod (or 50 eod)

:)
 
mendo said:
Var can be very useful if you take enough...but thats just it...it takes a whole lot of Var to get anywhere near the results of Tbol IMO. So if you look at it mg for mg...dolla for dolla. No comparison at all.
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anabolics 2005 says that VAR is much more potent mg per mg.
 
AlwaysOn said:
anabolics 2005 says that VAR is much more potent mg per mg.
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That may be true...I haven't read it. I certainly get much more out of Tbol than Var though mg for mg... That has been my experience.
 
Bozwell said:
Ok lets see,
for streanth gains would 60mg of tbol be better than 60mg of var
for 6 weeks ,not size streanth
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The end result would probably be about the same. Strength would go up faster on 60mg Tbol then 60mg Var IMO. But the gains from Tbol would probably stop at around 4 weeks...
 
mendo said:
The end result would probably be about the same. Strength would go up faster on 60mg Tbol then 60mg Var IMO. But the gains from Tbol would probably stop at around 4 weeks...
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cheers!
 
Does Tbol work the same magic as Var for cutting up without even trying to?

On var, even just keeping my diet constant, I drop fat (especially ab's) like mad.
 
AlwaysOn said:
how about tbol sides versus var sides?
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I've used a lot of var and never had any sides (except increased libido). I'm currently 1 week into my first T-Bol cycle and haven't had any sides yet - much better pumps than var though.
 
increased libido and pumps are the only side effect i have had with tbol as well. love it. there is no way var is this potent mg for mg. you would need 100mg of var ed imo to compare to 60mg ed of tbol. plus tbol kicks in twice as fast and hard
 
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