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e_mashek

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46 years old, 110 kg, about 18% bf. Ultimate goal is to walk around fairly shredded at about 90kg. Current goal is to slowly get back under 100 while getting stronger and healing a bit.

I am both hypothyroidal and hypogonadal. Been on treatment for both for 20+ years. Most likely had low T/high E issues my whole life, but grew up in foster care where no one ever bothered to check. without TRT my T is about 150-190 and E2 is 50. Been cruising on 250 testE/week and 12.5 Aromisin EoD for about 5 years now. Blood and labs are good and stable. Done 4 cycles in the last 5 years on top of this with mixed results. Last cycle ended about 2 years ago and was 500 testE and 400 TrenE/week with 50 mg winny EoD for the last 6 weeks. Dropped about 15 kg during that and got stronger/looked pretty good. I didn't get any sides from that. Took lots of support and cardarine with it. Labs were actually better mid cycle than before starting. My weight was as high as 175 kg about 15 years ago and as low as 89kg about 1.5 years ago.

I live in SE Asia and can get most things easily, though I think much of it is underdosed. Some pharma stuff is available here such as AI's, proviron, caber, etc.

There is a figure competition here next November I would love to be in good enough shape to compete in, so this cycle will hopefully help me in that direction, slimming down, increasing a bit of lean mass, and maintaining/slightly building some power. I had quite a bit of lose skin when I got to 89 before, so not sure competing will be feasible. Probably wouldn't do surgery if that's what it came down to.

Anyway, cycle advice please, as I've only really done Tren with either anavar or winny alongside my TRT protocol. Thinking of raising my test, adding deca with either var, tbol, or epistane (which I haven't found here yet).

Other notes: Already on telmisartan for BP and thiazide for edema, which is mostly controlled. Have occasional edema flareups but no idea why. BP is stable and good. Liver is great. Let me know any other info you'd need to give informed advice. Thanks!
 
e_mashek said:
46 years old, 110 kg, about 18% bf. Ultimate goal is to walk around fairly shredded at about 90kg. Current goal is to slowly get back under 100 while getting stronger and healing a bit.

I am both hypothyroidal and hypogonadal. Been on treatment for both for 20+ years. Most likely had low T/high E issues my whole life, but grew up in foster care where no one ever bothered to check. without TRT my T is about 150-190 and E2 is 50. Been cruising on 250 testE/week and 12.5 Aromisin EoD for about 5 years now. Blood and labs are good and stable. Done 4 cycles in the last 5 years on top of this with mixed results. Last cycle ended about 2 years ago and was 500 testE and 400 TrenE/week with 50 mg winny EoD for the last 6 weeks. Dropped about 15 kg during that and got stronger/looked pretty good. I didn't get any sides from that. Took lots of support and cardarine with it. Labs were actually better mid cycle than before starting. My weight was as high as 175 kg about 15 years ago and as low as 89kg about 1.5 years ago.

I live in SE Asia and can get most things easily, though I think much of it is underdosed. Some pharma stuff is available here such as AI's, proviron, caber, etc.

There is a figure competition here next November I would love to be in good enough shape to compete in, so this cycle will hopefully help me in that direction, slimming down, increasing a bit of lean mass, and maintaining/slightly building some power. I had quite a bit of lose skin when I got to 89 before, so not sure competing will be feasible. Probably wouldn't do surgery if that's what it came down to.

Anyway, cycle advice please, as I've only really done Tren with either anavar or winny alongside my TRT protocol. Thinking of raising my test, adding deca with either var, tbol, or epistane (which I haven't found here yet).

Other notes: Already on telmisartan for BP and thiazide for edema, which is mostly controlled. Have occasional edema flareups but no idea why. BP is stable and good. Liver is great. Let me know any other info you'd need to give informed advice. Thanks!
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If you want to do a figure competition being lean is important

since you have a base I would work off that base

you said no sides from trenbolone before so you can double down

250mgs testosterone enanthate/week
300mgs trenbolone enanthate/week
50mgs winstrol/day
7 caps n2guar /day organ liver support
10mgs aromasin ed
split doses 3 shots/week and 2 oral doses ed
 
bros good to see you on EF

whatever cycle info you get make sure you come back and LOG your cycle on EF
tell us who you cycling training and dieting and prepping for the show

i suggest
testosterone
trenbolone
winstrol
 
welcome to EF!

first you need to LOG LOG LOG on EF and show us how your cycle goes

now cycle wise
500mgs trenbolone/week
300mgs testosterone/week
50mgs winstrol ed
25mgs proviron ed
7 caps n2guard
10mgs aromasin ed

0.25mgs dostinex/week for prolactin
 
EF welcomes you

Log your cycle for us please

go with trenbolone, testosterone, winstrol mixed
 
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stevesmi said:
edema isn't something to ignore. it is a sign of organ dysfunction. you need to work on your lifestyle right now man. please do not cycle steroids yet
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Been an issue for 20 years. Haven't ignored it at all. Had sarcoidosis that went undiagnosed for 2.5 years that likely caused it to begin. About 4 years ago had a 500mL pericardial cyst removed from my heart that had been there for God knows how long. Had full work ups many times by actual cardiologists. Nothing they can do to cure it, so we manage it. I'm not stopping my life for it.
 
Just to give an idea of how far I've come. Thank you all for the feedback. I've had 13 surgeries over my lifetime. Wrestled in college at 24 yo. That physical is when I was first diagnosed with low T, but even then they never checked my E2. A lot of the supplemental T they were giving me was being converted to E2. I didn't realize that until I moved to Asia in 2015 and was able to check my own blood for dirt cheap. So I am playing catch up a bit, but I am very concerned about overall health and longevity, so I do my best to be smart about my cycles.

As for competing, in the two years before covid I competed in 2 BJJ tournaments and 3 powerlifting meets. I hold the GPA Asia Master's bench press record and am fairly confident that I can capture the overall Master's record once I can compete again. When I hit 89 kg it was the first time I had been under 200 pounds since I was 18 yo.

Thanks again for all the feedback and advice. When I start the cycle I will be sure to post it and keep it updated. In no way, shape, or form do I think of myself as an expert in this, so everything is very much appreciated.

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e_mashek said:
Just to give an idea of how far I've come. Thank you all for the feedback. I've had 13 surgeries over my lifetime. Wrestled in college at 24 yo. That physical is when I was first diagnosed with low T, but even then they never checked my E2. A lot of the supplemental T they were giving me was being converted to E2. I didn't realize that until I moved to Asia in 2015 and was able to check my own blood for dirt cheap. So I am playing catch up a bit, but I am very concerned about overall health and longevity, so I do my best to be smart about my cycles.

As for competing, in the two years before covid I competed in 2 BJJ tournaments and 3 powerlifting meets. I hold the GPA Asia Master's bench press record and am fairly confident that I can capture the overall Master's record once I can compete again. When I hit 89 kg it was the first time I had been under 200 pounds since I was 18 yo.

Thanks again for all the feedback and advice. When I start the cycle I will be sure to post it and keep it updated. In no way, shape, or form do I think of myself as an expert in this, so everything is very much appreciated.

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Nice xmas tree lower back
 
Consider following cycle: TEST ENAN-300mgs; TREN-300mgs; WINI-50mgs(daily dose); plus N2Guard for organ support, very important
 
I recommend working on your TRT protocol. 250mg is too much since you require an AI to keep things in line. You should never need an AI with a proper TRT dose. I would start at 100mg per week, let things level off for a month, get bloods and see where you are at.
 
MasonicBodybuilder said:
I recommend working on your TRT protocol. 250mg is too much since you require an AI to keep things in line. You should never need an AI with a proper TRT dose. I would start at 100mg per week, let things level off for a month, get bloods and see where you are at.
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Like I said earlier, I needed an AI even without exogenous Test. I have a high conversion rate for some reason. With my test at only 150-190 my e2 was 50. When I first tried clomid before injecting my test went up to about 380, but my e2 went to 100.
 
As stated earlier, I need an AI even while not on any TRT. My conversion rate is very high. When I ran out of androgel and was looking for alternatives as it isn't available here, my test dropped to 190 on a 300-900 scale, and my E2 was 50 on a <44 scale. I started taking clomid to try to boost test that way. My test did rise to about 380, but my E2 went to 100. I'd love to be off the AI, but haven't found a way to manage that yet. My hope is that if I ever get lean enough to clear out my fat stores that conversion rate will drop. I actually just had labs done, and yeah, my test is about double the top normal range number, but even on the AI my E2 is still at 44.
 
e_mashek said:
As stated earlier, I need an AI even while not on any TRT. My conversion rate is very high. When I ran out of androgel and was looking for alternatives as it isn't available here, my test dropped to 190 on a 300-900 scale, and my E2 was 50 on a <44 scale. I started taking clomid to try to boost test that way. My test did rise to about 380, but my E2 went to 100. I'd love to be off the AI, but haven't found a way to manage that yet. My hope is that if I ever get lean enough to clear out my fat stores that conversion rate will drop. I actually just had labs done, and yeah, my test is about double the top normal range number, but even on the AI my E2 is still at 44.
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yea its possible you dont need an AI

so lets get your log up

when you planning to get the gear?
 
Consider following: TREN ENAN-300mgs;TEST ENAN-250mgs;WINI-50mgs(daily);AROMASIN-10mgd(daily), plus N2Guard, very important for organ support
 
e_mashek said:
As stated earlier, I need an AI even while not on any TRT. My conversion rate is very high. When I ran out of androgel and was looking for alternatives as it isn't available here, my test dropped to 190 on a 300-900 scale, and my E2 was 50 on a <44 scale. I started taking clomid to try to boost test that way. My test did rise to about 380, but my E2 went to 100. I'd love to be off the AI, but haven't found a way to manage that yet. My hope is that if I ever get lean enough to clear out my fat stores that conversion rate will drop. I actually just had labs done, and yeah, my test is about double the top normal range number, but even on the AI my E2 is still at 44.
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You don't dip in and out of TRT
 
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