Not gaining on cycle

[barbellbob]

Im on trt year round, but current cycle is

525mg noble test e pw
150mg noble boldenone pw
70mg danabol ds dbol ed
400mg renvex tren e pw
225mg baltic parabolan pw

Running ai's and cycle support, blood pressure is a little higher than normal but besides that all seems good.. apart from not gaining! Ill post diet and workout below. Been training for 3 years, tried different styles of training altering diet I JUST DONT GROW! i love lifting but im starting to think im genetically fooked!

 

[barbellbob]

Meal 1
75g of porridge oats
350ml semi skimmed milk
Scoop if whey
(687 kcals)

Meal 2
125g cooked rice
220g (uncooked weight) chicken
1 Banana (565 kcals)

Meal 3
125g cooked rice
220g chicken (same ^)
(460 kcal)

Meal 4
20g whey protein
300ml semi skimmed milk
75g bran flakes (527 kcal)

Meal 5 (pre workout)
Same as meal 1 or equivalent
(Egg whites, toast, tuna etc)

Meal 6 post workout
40g whey
1 banana immediately after training, then 1 hour later

250g rice (cooked weight)
220g chicken (uncooked weight) ( 985 kcal)

Total 3,911 kcals
338g protein

This was the start of my bulk. Iv since added another 1000kcals to this adding more meat and sweet potato here an there, also increased other meal portions

 

[barbellbob]

Monday - chest

4 x 8-12 bb bench
4 x 8-12 db incline bench
4 x 8-12 cable crossovers
4 x 8-12 hammer smith decline

Tuesday - back

4 x 8-12 bb row
4 x 8-12 lat pull down
4 x 8-12 single arm row
4 x 8-12 straight arm pulldown

Wednesday - Rest

Thursday - shoulders

4 x 8-12 bb overhead press
3 x 8-12 lying lat raise
3 x 8-12 front raise
3 x 8-12 rear delt raise
4 x 8-12 machine shoulder press

Friday - Legs
5 x 8-12 squats
4 x 8-12 leg ext
4 x 8-12 leg curl
3 x 8-12 leg press
4 x 8-12 calf raise

Friday - arms
3 x 8-12 db curl
3 x 8-12 preacher curl
3 x 8-12 cable curl
3 x 8-12 incline db curl

3 x 8-12 skull crushers
3 x 8-12 rope pull down
3 x 8-12 overhead tri ext
3 x 8-12 weighted dip

Sun - Rest

I often pyramid up on exercises, by the last set i aim to struggle/fail getting the 8th or 10th rep. I have a workout log and increase weight each week, if i cant make a weight increase ill push for more reps until the weight can go up

 

[barbellbob]

Bump!

 

[Elvia1023]

You say you are not gaining but do you mean simply weight? Do you look better? Any changes in body composition? How long have you been on cycle? I know you have increased food but you may need to increase it by more. Your listed diet could be improved a lot. I would be consuming more carbs around training for a start. Personally I find it hard to put weight on when using tren. My diet isn't great but I have to eat silly amounts to gain on tren as I simply burn everything. Perhaps your dbol is fake... 70mg ed and no weight increase?

 

[barbellbob]

Iv gained a few lbs but it doesn't look like good weight, abs have faded slightly. Been on cycle for 6 weeks but only 11th day of dbol, dbol has never piled weight on me, gives me gyno if im not careful, first cycle a few years back was dbol only (stupid i know) and only gained 7lbs of mostly water. Im getting the usual dbol sides (pumps and lethargic) and its from a very trusted source so im confident its legit. I know my diet isnt the best but most of the meals are down to how easy they are to make in the little spare time i have. Any suggestions bro? Maybe a 3 day split so im resting more and using less kcals?

 

[Elvia1023]

Iv gained a few lbs but it doesn't look like good weight, abs have faded slightly. Been on cycle for 6 weeks but only 11th day of dbol, dbol has never piled weight on me, gives me gyno if im not careful, first cycle a few years back was dbol only (stupid i know) and only gained 7lbs of mostly water. Im getting the usual dbol sides (pumps and lethargic) and its from a very trusted source so im confident its legit. I know my diet isnt the best but most of the meals are down to how easy they are to make in the little spare time i have. Any suggestions bro? Maybe a 3 day split so im resting more and using less kcals?

6 weeks is the time things will start coming alive so be patient. Although if you have put bad weight on that will be due to mainly bad diet and water retention from drugs. Put more effort into your diet as that will be the major factor in your overall results.

Honestly if I was on that much tren I would be changing fast and I have shit genetics. Perhaps the quality is not as good as you think. I know loads of 'trusted' sellers sending out shit all the time. Yes you could drop your volume in the gym down whilst tidying up your diet to help matters. I don't want to comment too much on training though as I will be here for hours (haven't really got the time)... your routine looks ok though. Try training calves, hams then quads

 

[barbellbob]

Hopefully your right there i need to improve the sleep, i feel 6 hours isn't enough for me, im often tired at work.. and I'll clean the diet up too, even with the current diet it should surely have yielded some results though? Its a lot of kcals and not the worst food. I know people eating a lot worse and still putting on size. If i can't gain 12lbs of lean mass by the end of this year its time to find a new hobby lol only gained about 6lbs of lean mass in 18 months! Thanks for input brother

 

[DerFuhrer]

So you basically have 600mg of trenbolone per week there ! Now that is some real sh!t ! If myself were to try this cycle, I think I would prolly blow up by week 4-5, tren is powerful, and I've only dosed it at maximum 400mg/week.
Your diet seems good, also your training. My best bet is that your gear is bunked, or, at the very least, small-dosed, doesn't contain what it says on the label

 

[barbellbob]

I know its crazy haha should be f*****g swole by now! Iv used plenty of different gear in the past and its the same every time. . Friends blow up using the same shit im using, plus i have a sensitive right nipple, without ai's the small pea sized lump rapidly starts growing when tren is added, or dbol for that matter.. and my current gear is from 3 different sources so surely all wouldn't be bunk lol unless my genetics are totally shite, it could be lack of sleep.. but even a lack of sleep shouldn't stump gains to this extent

 

[Evan Tipps]

Protein intake way to high no fats? Carbs to low it's no wonder your not gaining. Up the days to 100g per day and carbs to 500 and protein 250 and tell me if you don't gain

 

[nick needles]

Your food intake is fine dude I would suggest peptides or hgh with your Stack and lower your reps to 6 to 10 less reps more weight do that for 2 months for workout and u should get results and the peptides or hgh stay on for at least 6 months to fully kick in judge by your food intake u have a very fast metabolism just like me my trainer switched up my program and it worked for

 

[Lab_Rat113]

check you thyroid maybe. Friend of mine just recently found out he had hyper thyroid. He is ripped as fokk but small. Since he started taking something for thyroid, his traps, shoulders, basically all just popped from nowhere, overnight seems like.

 

[barbellbob]

Ill try adding more fats and carbs this week, @nick needles.. nice to hear someone else who's had a similar problem an solved it.. but iv tried the lower rep range, if anything i find the results are less for me and lab rat, im currently taking 25mcgs of t3 ed, thinking of dropping it to 12.5mcgs. Its the first time iv tried this on a bulk so seeing how it goes. Thanks for the support dudes, keep the suggestions coming.. I'll try anything

 

[Elvia1023]

Ill try adding more fats and carbs this week, @nick needles.. nice to hear someone else who's had a similar problem an solved it.. but iv tried the lower rep range, if anything i find the results are less for me and lab rat, im currently taking 25mcgs of t3 ed, thinking of dropping it to 12.5mcgs. Its the first time iv tried this on a bulk so seeing how it goes. Thanks for the support dudes, keep the suggestions coming.. I'll try anything

I didn't know that. Yes drop it to 12.5mcg. Tren can lower t3 so they are not a bad combo but no wonder you are struggling to put on weight. Anyone who is a hard gainer if they had that much tren and even the small dose of t3 that will make things a lot harder. Although I still suspect it is underdosed as that much tren should be doing a lot. Although if you have taken it many times you may just be used top it plus you simply might not have a great response (you mentioned your mates on the same gear with better results).

You need to cover the basics so improve your diet (add in more good fats for a start) and get more sleep as that's when you grow (in recovery).

 

[barbellbob]

I didn't know that. Yes drop it to 12.5mcg. Tren can lower t3 so they are not a bad combo but no wonder you are struggling to put on weight. Anyone who is a hard gainer if they had that much tren and even the small dose of t3 that will make things a lot harder. Although I still suspect it is underdosed as that much tren should be doing a lot. Although if you have taken it many times you may just be used top it plus you simply might not have a great response (you mentioned your mates on the same gear with better results).

You need to cover the basics so improve your diet (add in more good fats for a start) and get more sleep as that's when you grow (in recovery).

Consider it dropped just halved a load of tablets (25mcg tabs) so will drop the dose as of tomorrow and see how it goes. All though i struggled to put weight on without it too. yeah my response to gear doesn't seem to be the same as most, i get tren somnia at begging of cyle and short of breath, sweats etc.. but drops off rather quickly, almost feels like iv dropped the tren. I'll take everything you guys have said and put it in to practice from this week, things can only get better lol

 

[barbellbob]

Or maybe not^^^ weights gone up a few lbs but the digestive problems i had before Christmas are back with vengeance! ! Last couple of days iv had undigested food coming out the wrong end, and awful smeeling/tasting burps!! Like rotten eggs. Stomach swole to the size of a pregnant womans last night with cramps, vomiting, diarrhoea etc.. one step forward an 2 steps back! Had blood work and samples taken today. Lost over a stone with this last year, looks like I'll be kissing goodbye to those gains if its not sorted asap

 

[Stackinplates]

Sounds to me ur issues with gaining are related to a underlying medical issue...

I'm sure the gear ur on is not helping your body recover

If ya had that issue Xmas and it's back ur body prob did not get enough " healing "

Or rest

See a dr and sort that shit out dude


Good luck

 

[stevesmi]

why are you taking T3 if you are trying to bulk? I do not understand what you are trying to do here at all.

I also am curious about your avatar cause if that is your before and after pic you have made progress so maybe you just have some sort of mental issue like bigorexia where you will never be happy.

list your stats, post a picture, make clear what your goals are cause I am very curious as to what is going on here.. that's a shitload of gear you are running for nothing if you claim you aren't getting anywhere

 

[barbellbob]

why are you taking T3 if you are trying to bulk? I do not understand what you are trying to do here at all.

I also am curious about your avatar cause if that is your before and after pic you have made progress so maybe you just have some sort of mental issue like bigorexia where you will never be happy.

list your stats, post a picture, make clear what your goals are cause I am very curious as to what is going on here.. that's a shitload of gear you are running for nothing if you claim you aren't getting anywhere

Hi mate, i ran t3 during a cut and my appetite went through the roof! Id read about how a lot of people where including t3 in their bulk due to the fact the body can utilise more food in a shorter space of time. This supposedly leads to the body being able to build more muscle in a shorter space of time. Given the fact i was easily able to consume more calories using the t3 i thought id give it a shot, in the past with high calories and a decent diet i can put fat on much faster than muscle even with aas. So i figured give it a go... might help utilise those extra calories in a good way. My weights going up slower than in the past, but i do feel leaner at this weight than i have in the past. It was just trial and error basically, alot of people swear by t3 on a bulk. That is me in my avi, i have made progress but its been very slow, and i do have bigorexia too lol people tell me i look good, majority of the time i feel i look like shit. Ill try post pics later, my goal is basically to fill out a bit more, add an inch to the arms (triceps mainly they're a bit behind i feel) just another 14-20lbs of lean mass would probably do me. Up to now on this cylce iv gained 8lbs.. not all good weight though, and progress slows fast i find after the initial weight increase. I seem to hit a wall at 200lbs

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ well you have made progress, you just don't know it

try and put on a shirt from 3 years ago and you will know

 

[barbellbob]

^^^ well you have made progress, you just don't know it

try and put on a shirt from 3 years ago and you will know

Ahhhhh yeah you've got a point there.. dont think the extra small t-shirts would fit these days haha. Thanks bro

 

[Elvia1023]

^^^ well you have made progress, you just don't know it

try and put on a shirt from 3 years ago and you will know

Exactly. The mind can be a powerful thing.


OP tren and t3 is actually a good combo. However it's usually best during longer cycles. Tren actually lowers T3 levels. But as anyone knows who has used tren it doesn't really matter as the changes in body composition are obvious to see on good tren. So most would never need it but as you stated it can give a good boost and allow you to utilize nutrients more effectively. Moreover many users get bad lethargy on tren so a small dose of t3 will pretty much make you feel better instantly. I would never use more than 25mcg though. For you 12.5mcg or even no t3 would be the best option. It sounds like you have deeper issues though so you need to see a doctor. Are you sure it isn't any of the drugs you use using giving you issues?

 

[barbellbob]

Exactly. The mind can be a powerful thing.


OP tren and t3 is actually a good combo. However it's usually best during longer cycles. Tren actually lowers T3 levels. But as anyone knows who has used tren it doesn't really matter as the changes in body composition are obvious to see on good tren. So most would never need it but as you stated it can give a good boost and allow you to utilize nutrients more effectively. Moreover many users get bad lethargy on tren so a small dose of t3 will pretty much make you feel better instantly. I would never use more than 25mcg though. For you 12.5mcg or even no t3 would be the best option. It sounds like you have deeper issues though so you need to see a doctor. Are you sure it isn't any of the drugs you use using giving you issues?

I had an endoscopy over Christmas and they took biopsies as they found inflammation. I was given oxytetracycline for bronchitis the day before and within days everything was back to normal. So me being me I never went back for the endoscopy results until now. The ball is rolling again, had a day of just eating whatever i could stomach yesterday, took some pepto bismol late on and instant relief! So back to the normal diet today and see how it goes.. fingers crossed!

 

[Elvia1023]

I had an endoscopy over Christmas and they took biopsies as they found inflammation. I was given oxytetracycline for bronchitis the day before and within days everything was back to normal. So me being me I never went back for the endoscopy results until now. The ball is rolling again, had a day of just eating whatever i could stomach yesterday, took some pepto bismol late on and instant relief! So back to the normal diet today and see how it goes.. fingers crossed!

Looks like you are really gonna have to follow a strict diet with foods that suit your body. Plus you may struggle eating the sheer amount of food your body needs to grow. Keep us posted on how things go.

 

[barbellbob]

Looks like you are really gonna have to follow a strict diet with foods that suit your body. Plus you may struggle eating the sheer amount of food your body needs to grow. Keep us posted on how things go.

Sorry bro didn't even realise you had replied, things have been going ok so far, some days are a real struggle to get the food down, others not so bad, iv added a weight gain shake to help out with getting the extra calories in, weight has increased and iv gained half an inch on my arms so quite please with myself. Got to go for a more extensive examination of the bowels so not looking forward to that, but could be a means to an end.

 

[Stackinplates]

Half inch on the arms is phenomenal

Good work bro!!

 

[barbellbob]

Half inch on the arms is phenomenal

Good work bro!!

Thanks bro think the addition of super sets was what did the trick