Not another Oil Thread...

[Y_lifter]

Are you suggesting a ration of fuel per person or vehicle? Not a terrible idea.

Sort of, but Not a ration per se, more like a tiered cost per gallon structure.
You can use as much damn gas as you want. If you can afford it.

Fuel would cost you so much per gallon up to a certain amount per month, then that cost goes way way up per gallon for gas used over that amount.
Of course commercial vehicles would be rated at higher usage rates than individuals etc per political pressures.

Not sure how it would be tracked since gas pumps aren't as controlled as home water meters are.

Speaking of Ethanol, I understand south Fla is looking to startup a sugar cane based Eth test plant to validate its higher yields much like the Brazilians.

 

[gotmilk]

lol we might be the only 2 ppl on EF who like higher oil prices

COUGH

 

[gotmilk]

One word: Ethanol

OVER-RATED...but needs a little tweaking.

Besides, the gov't will tax the shit out of it.

 

[gotmilk]

To get the other 2/3, we need to look toward cellulose-based ethanol production, which should be online in the next 10ish years.

Sugarcane produces better ethanol. Of course, all the fatties in the U.S. might panic when they see the price of candy bars and sodas increase.

 

[gotmilk]

Which party controls the Senate's Agriculture Committee??? Senator Saxby Chambliss (R) refuses to cut the tariffs this year on imported ethanol.

Ironically, the U.S. cannot produce enough of our own. The other Caribbean nations can only ship about 1/3 of what we need annually.

Whether U.S. farmers like it or not, we need imported sugarcane.

Instead of paying farmers subsidies on their crops, farmers should receive tax credits for planting other products that can be refined into ethanol.

The farmers are the people who need the tax breaks...not the gas companies.

 

[dullboy]

One word: Ethanol

dullboy says yes.

and the people who say it won't work live in an alternate reality.

Brazil is a disorganized 2nd world nation with 2/3 the population of the US and they got it done.

we certainly can.

 

[Y_lifter]

I'd like to visit Brazil..

Not so much for the Ethanol, but more for the hot ass tanned women.

 

[dullboy]

I'd like to visit Brazil..

Not so much for the Ethanol, but more for the hot ass tanned women.

dullboy broke his brazil cherry on november 21, 1990. lol

many happy trips since.

 

[mrplunkey]

Sugarcane produces better ethanol. Of course, all the fatties in the U.S. might panic when they see the price of candy bars and sodas increase.

Sugar cane produces great ethanol -- we just don't have the climate to produce it like more tropical climates can. If the global ethanol war is fought in the short term using sugar cane as the source we're due for an ass-kicking. We'll trade the middle east for the tropics and who knows, maybe we can try to "spread democracy" there too!

The best plan for the US is to drive our existing corn production hard until cellulose technology is ready. If we can pull that off we may be able to bypass sugar cane and compete globally using a source we can actually get our hands-on. Sugar cane, as great as it is, represents a solution that's good enough to beat corn hands-down but not good enough to beat cellulose long term.

 

[gjohnson5]

Sugar cane produces great ethanol -- we just don't have the climate to produce it like more tropical climates can. If the global ethanol war is fought in the short term using sugar cane as the source we're due for an ass-kicking. We'll trade the middle east for the tropics and who knows, maybe we can try to "spread democracy" there too!

The best plan for the US is to drive our existing corn production hard until cellulose technology is ready. If we can pull that off we may be able to bypass sugar cane and compete globally using a source we can actually get our hands-on. Sugar cane, as great as it is, represents a solution that's good enough to beat corn hands-down but not good enough to beat cellulose long term.

We gotta work on this...
Those companies you named that produce ethanol are international companies and probably all of them have plants in tropical climates such as Brazil. Most all have trucking , rail and sea transportation departments as well.

The problem is that US farmers cannot compete with third world countries simply due to the cost of the work being too expensive.


But I agree , nothing beats cellulose long term