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dmk777
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Yeah chic I weigh it all , you will soon get used to portion sizes and won't need to weigh for long. Fit day is great breaks it all down in % 's .
Hope your well !!
I just got back from the gym shoulders day I killed it!! Lol
New member....gym rat but want to go further.....any advice?
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Yeah chic I weigh it all , you will soon get used to portion sizes and won't need to weigh for long. Fit day is great breaks it all down in % 's .
Hope your well !!
I just got back from the gym shoulders day I killed it!! Lol
jennifer778
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Hey jjtt..do you count calories and weigh stuff? I'd like your feedback.
jennifer778
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Ha!! I'm glad you killed it!! Had no doubt you wouldn't!! Love it!! Guess I need a food scale. Thanks Donna. You rock, lass!
. (comin from a true southerner!! Ha)
Ok chika have some questions for you on this.
With your kickbacks and extensions, if you can do dips then drop either one of these and do dips in place. You get so much more from the dips then the isoloation work.
dmk777
Queen of EF :)
Ha!! I'm glad you killed it!! Had no doubt you wouldn't!! Love it!! Guess I need a food scale. Thanks Donna. You rock, lass!
lmao cheers lass from this Northern monkey!!
jennifer778
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Ok chika have some questions for you on this.
With your kickbacks and extensions, if you can do dips then drop either one of these and do dips in place. You get so much more from the dips then the isoloation work.
Ha. Your PBS question cracked me up!! Lol. I was using my iPhone and every time I'd try to type pounds it would put it as PBS. Sorry!! Ha. So it is pounds. I was tryin to abbreviate. Sorry for the confusion. What else should I change? Is that a decent day at the gym?
Btw I meant to mention yesterday that I was going lighter than normal just to try and get good form before going heavier.
Thanks for the input. I'll put today's food and weight log up tonight.
Thanks brotha
jennifer778
New member
Ok chika have some questions for you on this.
With your kickbacks and extensions, if you can do dips then drop either one of these and do dips in place. You get so much more from the dips then the isoloation work.
Hey Zed. I just saw where you responded to a post that I wrote to Donna on her deca cycle thread. I responded to you about SL 5x5. Mind checking it out and responding to me on this thread? I just say that as I might forget to look on the other one. I want the scoop on the program. Will I gain muscle mass doing it? Will it work bis and tris? Thanks man
jjtt
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Yes I do, but I rarely weigh out vegetables or green salad. I only measure out things that I want to ration or control portion sizes. Because I follow a grain free diet, I don't see the need to count out fruit or vegetable carbs or calories.
I tend to measure/weigh in order to get an accurate protein calculation more than calorie count.
I do weigh or measure out:
meat - usually 5 oz at a time.
cottage cheese - usually either 3/4 cup or 1 cup depending on other foods being eaten.
nuts - I measure out in portion- usually 10 or 11 almonds etc
olive oil by tsp. on salad
eggs and eggwhites. I usually have one whole and 3/4 cup liquid egg whites
when I put veggies in my omelet it's usually just a handful
I'm not eating oatmeal anymore but when I did it was 1/3-1/2 cup.
I have a Starfrit kitchen digital scale and measuring cups that I use daily.
jennifer778
New member
So if I'm
Putting veggies in my omelet (handful like you said) am I getting too bogged down to try and figure out a handful of veggies are? I'm on a grain free diet as well so my carbs are comin from
Vegetables and fruits. I want to be accountable but I also have a tendency to be a perfectionist and I do not want to be wasting valuable time when not necessary. Thanks for your input.
"Hey Zeddie...just noticed that you responded to me on here. I said I was going to do the SL 5x5 program but after the first day I felt like I wasn't doing enough. Give me the lowdown on 5x5. If I do it just as it's written for 12 weeks, straight up hardcore, will I gain muscle mass? I want to lean out and gain mass. Should I give 5x5 a chance? Will doing it also give me gains in bis and tris?
Give me the 411 Zed."
Ok chika, IMO the SL 5x5 is the ultimate program for strength and mass regardless of where the person is in training!
Its unfortunate that too many peeps take a look at the program and then write it off cuz it looks like its not enough work. Believe me chika once you get about half way through the program on the first go round you realize that you be a mistaken BIGTIME!.
I cannot recommend strongly enough that you give this program an honest shot for 25 weeks. You do it for 12 weeks then take a week off then hit that bitch again and I promise you that you will never wanna go off the SL 5x5. Thats how good your results will be...IF YOU FOLLOW THE PROGRAM TO THE LETTER!!
As for your bies and tries yes they will get pleny of work but indirectly. All of the pressing movements are gonna build your triceps. The bent over rows and the chin ups are gonna hit your biceps big time too. And believe it or not these compound excersizes are gonna provide much more growth stimulation because you are gonna be moving waaaaaay more wieght then you would wasting your time with isolation work. Big weights = big gains + you get even more benefit to the rest of your bod too.
Now the only thing that you really need to keep in mind is that it is dam hard to loose fat and gain muscle at the same time. That is not to say that it cant be done but it is difficult.
What I would suggest as an alternative is that maybe you try this. Do the 5x5 for the 12 weeks. For the 5x5 to work you do have to feed it!
Then after that 12 weeks go on a natty cut/reduced cal program for like 4 weeks. Then hit the 5x5 again.
Or you could attempt the 5x5 on just a little bit over your maintenance cal requirements. IDK how well this would work tho as I have no experience with that kind of progression. When I do the 5x5 I eat every dam thing that I can pretty much. As long as I keep it mostly clean I have no issue with fat. That is not to say that I dont gain some, but I expect to. In order to gain mass you have to provide the fuel to your bod. Along with that you will get a little bit of fat. I suppose that you could do some cardio on the weekends if you wanted to if that became a problem to you.
Also you need to give your bod the rest it needs to build that mass and strength that you want. This is not gained in the gym. The gym sets the stage for your bod to grow during rest. Once you get to the midpoint of the program if you can get naps in I highly suggest that you do.
As far as I am concerned you just cant beat the 5x5 for fast mass and strength. That really is how I feel about it. But you have to do it exactly the way its written.
I like the SL because its simple and brutally effective and it WORKS!
I think that you would be a good candidate right now cuz you have been working out for awhile. Your bod is used to working out.
I would suggest that you start light in all the excersizes. The first time I did it there were some that I started with the bare bar.
You just leave your pride at the door and go to work.
Here is a link to my log so that you can see where I started on the 5x5 and where I ended. If you cant open it then pm me.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/m...rol-nothing-but-mass-blast-cruise-755449.html
Let me know your thoughts and best regards.
Give me the 411 Zed."
Ok chika, IMO the SL 5x5 is the ultimate program for strength and mass regardless of where the person is in training!
Its unfortunate that too many peeps take a look at the program and then write it off cuz it looks like its not enough work. Believe me chika once you get about half way through the program on the first go round you realize that you be a mistaken BIGTIME!.
I cannot recommend strongly enough that you give this program an honest shot for 25 weeks. You do it for 12 weeks then take a week off then hit that bitch again and I promise you that you will never wanna go off the SL 5x5. Thats how good your results will be...IF YOU FOLLOW THE PROGRAM TO THE LETTER!!
As for your bies and tries yes they will get pleny of work but indirectly. All of the pressing movements are gonna build your triceps. The bent over rows and the chin ups are gonna hit your biceps big time too. And believe it or not these compound excersizes are gonna provide much more growth stimulation because you are gonna be moving waaaaaay more wieght then you would wasting your time with isolation work. Big weights = big gains + you get even more benefit to the rest of your bod too.
Now the only thing that you really need to keep in mind is that it is dam hard to loose fat and gain muscle at the same time. That is not to say that it cant be done but it is difficult.
What I would suggest as an alternative is that maybe you try this. Do the 5x5 for the 12 weeks. For the 5x5 to work you do have to feed it!
Then after that 12 weeks go on a natty cut/reduced cal program for like 4 weeks. Then hit the 5x5 again.
Or you could attempt the 5x5 on just a little bit over your maintenance cal requirements. IDK how well this would work tho as I have no experience with that kind of progression. When I do the 5x5 I eat every dam thing that I can pretty much. As long as I keep it mostly clean I have no issue with fat. That is not to say that I dont gain some, but I expect to. In order to gain mass you have to provide the fuel to your bod. Along with that you will get a little bit of fat. I suppose that you could do some cardio on the weekends if you wanted to if that became a problem to you.
Also you need to give your bod the rest it needs to build that mass and strength that you want. This is not gained in the gym. The gym sets the stage for your bod to grow during rest. Once you get to the midpoint of the program if you can get naps in I highly suggest that you do.
As far as I am concerned you just cant beat the 5x5 for fast mass and strength. That really is how I feel about it. But you have to do it exactly the way its written.
I like the SL because its simple and brutally effective and it WORKS!
I think that you would be a good candidate right now cuz you have been working out for awhile. Your bod is used to working out.
I would suggest that you start light in all the excersizes. The first time I did it there were some that I started with the bare bar.
You just leave your pride at the door and go to work.
Here is a link to my log so that you can see where I started on the 5x5 and where I ended. If you cant open it then pm me.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/m...rol-nothing-but-mass-blast-cruise-755449.html
Let me know your thoughts and best regards.
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