New Magic Muscle Building Miracle

[joe d]

The biggers problem i see with people looking to "bulk" is they rely on others diet plans.
If i am bigger than you and you ask me what my diet looks like then follow it to a t waiting for great results you are being foolish.

the key to diet is simple

1. get a general understanding of foods and what they do.
real simple. proteins, carbs, veggies, water. play around with this and the different ratios for a while. (while=year(s) ). dont get discouraged yet this is just the beginning.

2. learn about the differences between forms of the same food.
not all chicken or any other food is the same. for example the worst chicken is the chicken that has been preserved and frozen for months then cooked to oblivion before you eat it. this chicken will be nearly worthless. on the otherhand the fresh organic chicken taken home and imediately cooked just to the point of being safe to eat will be great. if you want to take it further raise your own chickens (i do this).
same aplies to veggies. frozen broccoli cuts nuked until they are mush are worthless. fresh organic broccoli eaten raw will be 1000 times better.

3. learn how to get your body to be able to effectively process more food.
there are many factors involved here. the biggest is energy. remember that sunlight is the source of all energy. you can obsorb energy through your skin, and you can digest energy. so that fresh picked veggie, fresh killed chicken, or fresh milked cow will go a long way here along with getting plenty of sunlight. there are also vitamins, minirals, and digestive enzymes to help here. this is the hardest step but also the last.

after you have taken these steps and have done similar with training tecnique you will truely be able to take your body to its natural limits. at this point you will then be ready to dive into a whole other long expirement with steroids and other drugs.

this is what seperates the 180lb guy with a reciding hairline and pimples with the development of an average gym go'er from the guy who is 260lbs who ruins every barbell the gym buys.


as long as you keep avoiding this research on yourself the more time you will waste. success in bodybuilding comes from taking your body to its maximum potential. no one including myself has anything to offer you other than a simple start point to your long journy of dieting. if you are to lazy to do this then quit because you will never get to where you want to be.

 

[marcu_s]

good tips.
me myself, need to start exeperiment whit the ratios.
i always chenge the carb ratios when bulking to about 50%, protein 30% and fat 20%.
and now when its time to cut i do 35%carbs, protein 40% and fat 25.
its an experiment for life.

 

[bluejay]

Great advice Big Joe! Thank you!!

 

[eClenbuterol]

excellent post

 

[Boxingheels]

Very true, people need to read this!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Good stuff. And hey, not everybody is even 180. There are lots of shinny guy who struggle to put on size. Food is key. You must up the calories but there are other ways you can get an edge. BIG BAST was desingned to add the best protein, good fats, creatine, NO2 and be light enough to not fill you up so you can still have an appitite fr food. But ya still gotta eat and know what you're taking in. And you have to lift heavy.

Do that enough, and you will grow.

 

[goal245]

2. learn about the differences between forms of the same food.
not all chicken or any other food is the same. for example the worst chicken is the chicken that has been preserved and frozen for months then cooked to oblivion before you eat it. this chicken will be nearly worthless. on the otherhand the fresh organic chicken taken home and imediately cooked just to the point of being safe to eat will be great. if you want to take it further raise your own chickens (i do this).
same aplies to veggies. frozen broccoli cuts nuked until they are mush are worthless. fresh organic broccoli eaten raw will be 1000 times better.

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Doubt this will make a difference. Have you seen what pro bodybuilders eat? Kai Greene: pounds of Frozen Tilapia, Ronnie Coleman: Frozen chicken tenders, Cutler: Frozen Orange roughy. Most eat frozen eggwhites.

I doubt organic vs non organic meat will make a difference in size you put on. The inorganic will probobly give you more gains with all the hormones it contains.

 

[needtogetaas]

The biggers problem i see with people looking to "bulk" is they rely on others diet plans.
If i am bigger than you and you ask me what my diet looks like then follow it to a t waiting for great results you are being foolish.

the key to diet is simple

1. get a general understanding of foods and what they do.
real simple. proteins, carbs, veggies, water. play around with this and the different ratios for a while. (while=year(s) ). dont get discouraged yet this is just the beginning.

2. learn about the differences between forms of the same food.
not all chicken or any other food is the same. for example the worst chicken is the chicken that has been preserved and frozen for months then cooked to oblivion before you eat it. this chicken will be nearly worthless. on the otherhand the fresh organic chicken taken home and imediately cooked just to the point of being safe to eat will be great. if you want to take it further raise your own chickens (i do this).
same aplies to veggies. frozen broccoli cuts nuked until they are mush are worthless. fresh organic broccoli eaten raw will be 1000 times better.

3. learn how to get your body to be able to effectively process more food.
there are many factors involved here. the biggest is energy. remember that sunlight is the source of all energy. you can obsorb energy through your skin, and you can digest energy. so that fresh picked veggie, fresh killed chicken, or fresh milked cow will go a long way here along with getting plenty of sunlight. there are also vitamins, minirals, and digestive enzymes to help here. this is the hardest step but also the last.

after you have taken these steps and have done similar with training tecnique you will truely be able to take your body to its natural limits. at this point you will then be ready to dive into a whole other long expirement with steroids and other drugs.

this is what seperates the 180lb guy with a reciding hairline and pimples with the development of an average gym go'er from the guy who is 260lbs who ruins every barbell the gym buys.


as long as you keep avoiding this research on yourself the more time you will waste. success in bodybuilding comes from taking your body to its maximum potential. no one including myself has anything to offer you other than a simple start point to your long journy of dieting. if you are to lazy to do this then quit because you will never get to where you want to be.

Thats wtf i am talking about bro. Now expand on that shit. I like the last one the best and I know some good ways to make it happen.

 

[supra888]

Great post Joe ..... !

 

[needtogetaas]

Doubt this will make a difference. Have you seen what pro bodybuilders eat? Kai Greene: pounds of Frozen Tilapia, Ronnie Coleman: Frozen chicken tenders, Cutler: Frozen Orange roughy. Most eat frozen eggwhites.

I doubt organic vs non organic meat will make a difference in size you put on. The inorganic will probobly give you more gains with all the hormones it contains.

any time you read something about what a pro eats,does,trains,shits,fucks wtf ever dont matter. Take that info and wipe your ass with it because that is all its worth. That is all

 

[lookinfit75]

any time you read something about what a pro eats,does,trains,shits,fucks wtf ever dont matter. Take that info and wipe your ass with it because that is all its worth. That is all

As you can see, N2 doesn't mince words and yes it's true. So many things I am learning about what the "legends" actually did as opposed to what they told you they did it's appalling!
It's almost like they say shit to throw people off the scent of what they are really doing.

 

[joe d]

As you can see, N2 doesn't mince words and yes it's true. So many things I am learning about what the "legends" actually did as opposed to what they told you they did it's appalling!
It's almost like they say shit to throw people off the scent of what they are really doing.

i agree. the reality is there.

its not even just organics. its the eating raw or close to raw state, its protecting the meats from light once they are out of the animals body, its eating plants right after you pick them ect.

the quality and amount of nutrients retained in the foods this way combined with the lack of added preservatives and fillers go a lllloooonnnnggggggggg way.

i wouldnt blow smoke up your ass. i have been doing this for a while now and i experience the results every day.

 

[RADAR]

any time you read something about what a pro eats,does,trains,shits,fucks wtf ever dont matter. Take that info and wipe your ass with it because that is all its worth. That is all

I agree ,i used to train with some all time legends and i will be the first to say ,read the ads in Iron man magazines it's all hype the pro's do what thery are told thats where the money is, down to earth info .....well you can forget about that ,except here on elite.

 

[Nelson Montana]

The articles written in the Weider magazines were written by the staff -- never by the bodybuilders.

I've done dozens of interviews with pros and off the record, they'd tell me what they ate and what they took as far as dosages.

This is why I try to pass the information along that I do. Ad among the most controversial is the two things that are the most simple, yet hard for people to accept.

One: Diet is overstated. It's just food. Don't eat enough, you'll never grow. Eat too much, you'll get fat. The only thing any pro worth his salt will do beyond that is make sure he constantly gets enough protein.

And Two: If you can't grow on a gram of gear, you won't grow on 2 grams of gear. These guys have better receptors than you and me. They have more mitochondria. You can't change that with drugs.

 

[joe d]

The articles written in the Weider magazines were written by the staff -- never by the bodybuilders.

I've done dozens of interviews with pros and off the record, they'd tell me what they ate and what they took as far as dosages.

This is why I try to pass the information along that I do. Ad among the most controversial is the two things that are the most simple, yet hard for people to accept.

One: Diet is overstated. It's just food. Don't eat enough, you'll never grow. Eat too much, you'll get fat. The only thing any pro worth his salt will do beyond that is make sure he constantly gets enough protein.

And Two: If you can't grow on a gram of gear, you won't grow on 2 grams of gear. These guys have better receptors than you and me. They have more mitochondria. You can't change that with drugs.

while the other

i disagree with this. i think most people beleive this and are held back by it. the whole exact numbers and working out a formula to a t thing is a bit comical sometimes but to say food os food is way off.

to prove my point i will give a simple extreme example.

lets say there are is a guy and a clone guy. they are 50 years old, they are exactly the same in every way. they train the same and eat the exact same amounts of macros. one of them gets all of his food from fast food restraunts and convenience stores and the other gets his foods from the purests sources raw organic veggies, raw milk, fresh killed meats ect.
lets say they do this for a year. who will put on more muscle mass? the obvous answer is the guy who ate the better foods. the reason in short form is that his foods held true to their nutritional values and where much more effective on the body. the body used far more of what it took because of the quality of nutrients that where in the foods and because his body was much healthier that the guy who at nothing but crap.

every bit of processing that foods go through rob the food of nutritional value. the best food will be the food that is taken from its natural state and eaten imediately.

another contradiction to your statement of food is food is a question.

from your statements protein powder is food, and if food is food how is spp superior to other protein powders? how is big blast better than other post w/o shakes?

 

[Nelson Montana]

while the other

i disagree with this. i think most people beleive this and are held back by it. the whole exact numbers and working out a formula to a t thing is a bit comical sometimes but to say food os food is way off.

to prove my point i will give a simple extreme example.

lets say there are is a guy and a clone guy. they are 50 years old, they are exactly the same in every way. they train the same and eat the exact same amounts of macros. one of them gets all of his food from fast food restraunts and convenience stores and the other gets his foods from the purests sources raw organic veggies, raw milk, fresh killed meats ect.
lets say they do this for a year. who will put on more muscle mass? the obvous answer is the guy who ate the better foods. the reason in short form is that his foods held true to their nutritional values and where much more effective on the body. the body used far more of what it took because of the quality of nutrients that where in the foods and because his body was much healthier that the guy who at nothing but crap.

every bit of processing that foods go through rob the food of nutritional value. the best food will be the food that is taken from its natural state and eaten imediately.

another contradiction to your statement of food is food is a question.

from your statements protein powder is food, and if food is food how is spp superior to other protein powders? how is big blast better than other post w/o shakes?

That's not what I mean. I'm not saying that crap is as good as wholesome food. But the body doesn't know the difference between rice or pasta or bread or oatmeal or a potato. It's all starch that is converted to glucose within minutes. I see people forcing themselves to eat rice but won't touch bread. At the end of the year, how much different are they going look is the calorie count is exactly the same?

And although, I'm all for eating healthy, a lot of pros don't. I've had guys tell me they eat McDonalds up to a week before a show.

 

[joe d]

That's not what I mean. I'm not saying that crap is as good as wholesome food. But the body doesn't know the difference between rice or pasta or bread or oatmeal or a potato. It's all starch that is converted to glucose within minutes. I see people forcing themselves to eat rice but won't touch bread. At the end of the year, how much different are they going look is the calorie count is exactly the same?

And although, I'm all for eating healthy, a lot of pros don't. I've had guys tell me they eat McDonalds up to a week before a show.

there will be a huge difference. the body gets more out of quality foods. the higher the food quality the more the body gets from it. the body will also become a lot healthier and in a much better overall position to grow more muscle.

i beleive that there are some pros who eat crappy and their success relies mostly on their genetics and steroid use, but there is no doubt that they could be much better if they put their diet at the top of the list. i have seen it first hand with myself and others.

 

[goal245]

any time you read something about what a pro eats,does,trains,shits,fucks wtf ever dont matter. Take that info and wipe your ass with it because that is all its worth. That is all

Im not talking about magazines. If you watch a pro BB video they show you what they actualy eat, you can watch Jay cutler, Coleman, Rhul grocery shopping on youtube. There is a video of Dave palumbo buying Kai Green a crap load of frozen tilapia. I doubt ronnie goes out to eat 5 times a day in his offseason videos to throw people off

You dont have to eat fancy organic meats to get big, its all going to get broken down to amino acids and used in the same way by the body.

 

[Nelson Montana]

there will be a huge difference. the body gets more out of quality foods. the higher the food quality the more the body gets from it. the body will also become a lot healthier and in a much better overall position to grow more muscle.

i beleive that there are some pros who eat crappy and their success relies mostly on their genetics and steroid use, but there is no doubt that they could be much better if they put their diet at the top of the list. i have seen it first hand with myself and others.

Again, I think you're missing the point. I'm not saying there's no difference between healthy and non healthy. But there's little difference between simple carbs.

 

[joe d]

white bread and all the other supermarket shit bread, white rice, white potato, white pasta are all close i agree.

 

[Why]

i really underestimated the difference of fresh to frozen! thanks Joe!

There isn't much difference.

What's better for you — fresh or frozen food?

Frozen vegetables 'more nutritious than fresh produce' | Mail Online

Fresh vegetables? Think again. | NutritionData.com Blog by Monica Reinagel, L.D.N., C.N.S.

Go google fresh vs. frozen vegetables. Do your own research guys, not everyone on the boards is an expert. OP, I applaud and respect the fact that you are trying to help people and taking the initiative tod o so. But please make sure the information you put out there is true and factual.

 

[zagdawg22]

I personally believe that a raw,fresh fruit and veggie diet that puts our bodies in an alkalinic state is the answer to preventing cancer and possibly curing it in many cases.

great post, i wrote a paper on this type of eating in a college course a few years back. my only question for you is how do you get the amount of protein you need to build muscle? all meat is acidic, which goes against this type of eating. so do avoid meat all together and use shakes only, or were you just implying that eating as much fresh fruit and veggies as possible will really help your body but you still eat meat?

 

[d_ant11]

There isn't much difference.

What's better for you — fresh or frozen food?

Frozen vegetables 'more nutritious than fresh produce' | Mail Online

Fresh vegetables? Think again. | NutritionData.com Blog by Monica Reinagel, L.D.N., C.N.S.

Go google fresh vs. frozen vegetables. Do your own research guys, not everyone on the boards is an expert. OP, I applaud and respect the fact that you are trying to help people and taking the initiative tod o so. But please make sure the information you put out there is true and factual.

(edited post) - sorry about the confusion


Dude! what the hell? you should go back and read this thread.

Joe is talking about picking fresh fruits and vegetables off the vine in his backyard and eating them raw or slightly cooked. Can't get any better than that!

I personally believe that a raw,fresh fruit and veggie diet that puts our bodies in an alkalinic state is the answer to preventing cancer and possibly curing it in many cases.

Huge difference between your link articles description of fresh veggies being two weeks old and what Joe is talking about......lmao!

 

[d_ant11]

great post, i wrote a paper on this type of eating in a college course a few years back. my only question for you is how do you get the amount of protein you need to build muscle? all meat is acidic, which goes against this type of eating. so do avoid meat all together and use shakes only, or were you just implying that eating as much fresh fruit and veggies as possible will really help your body but you still eat meat?

ZAGDAWG......That is a great question...one for my father in law. He spent 4 years in Mexico curing cancer with a group of American doctors. 90% success rate in last stage patients. It was a last resort for most people and it worked. A lot of prostate cases.

All they did was change the diet of the patient and introduced whole, raw foods only. I am not sure what they did for protein though. They also did an intravenous cocktail of B vitamins.

Here's the sad thing........The reason they were in Mexico is because the FDA & AMA wouldn't allow doctors to cure cancer in America. With all natural therapies???

They would rather suck the patient dry of all their money doing chemo and then let them die.....Effed up big time......just among the other many things our system can't get right.

My guess is they ate raw nuts, legumes, and such for protein. And, I bet they weren't too concerned with maintaining muscle at that point. Plus, the therapy only lasted a few months.

 

[zagdawg22]

ZAGDAWG......That is a great question...one for my father in law. He spent 4 years in Mexico curing cancer with a group of American doctors. 90% success rate in last stage patients. It was a last resort for most people and it worked. A lot of prostate cases.

All they did was change the diet of the patient and introduced whole, raw foods only. I am not sure what they did for protein though. They also did an intravenous cocktail of B vitamins.

Here's the sad thing........The reason they were in Mexico is because the FDA & AMA wouldn't allow doctors to cure cancer in America. With all natural therapies???

They would rather suck the patient dry of all their money doing chemo and then let them die.....Effed up big time......just among the other many things our system can't get right.

My guess is they ate raw nuts, legumes, and such for protein. And, I bet they weren't too concerned with maintaining muscle at that point. Plus, the therapy only lasted a few months.

makes sense! i always wondered about the meat factor in body builders that takled about eating in a alkalinic state. for your fathers study, i can see how the eating style could be so beneficial especially compared to our typical diet in america. its amazing how the fda and ama cant cure this stuff or at least use more logical ways of treating and curing this disease. grr. but thanks for the insight, its posters like you, joe d, needto, nelson and so many others that i find myself here every night. no homo, lol.

 

[d_ant11]

its amazing how the fda and ama cant cure this stuff or at least use more logical ways of treating and curing this disease. grr.

There is no question in my mind that it's all about money and control. Maybe even a bigger plan???

It all starts in Medical School where they brainwash new med students and get them to conform. They discourage thinking outside the box and researching alternative treatments. Even if it is safe and natural. I've seen this first hand!

Take AIDS/HIV for example. AIDS/HIV isn't killing the patient. It's the way they are medically treated that kills them. The patient is so full of antibiotics and other shit that it shuts down the immune system and the patient dies of pneumonia or strep because the body can't fight anymore using its natural god given disease fighter. Another possible case for raw, whole foods!

Why do most doctors believe so heavily in vaccinations and antibiotics? Why does the FDA allow aspartame in our food? Why do dentists use mercury in our cavities? Why does the government put flouride in or water? Why is radiation and chemo the only way the powers that be have approved for curing cancer?

There is very little case evidence of those things above being proven to heal or work.....there is tons of evidence proving that these things are the causes of many deaths and mental illness'.

Sorry for the Rant!

 

[zagdawg22]

dont be sorry for the rant, its nice to know others think like i do! with all the things we can accomplish and figure out in the world, some things remain impossible to conquer. it shouldnt be a surprise considering whats behind most of them, and you hit the nail on the head. $$$. great thread, thanks D!

 

[Why]

(edited post) - sorry about the confusion


Dude! what the hell? you should go back and read this thread.

Joe is talking about picking fresh fruits and vegetables off the vine in his backyard and eating them raw or slightly cooked. Can't get any better than that!

I personally believe that a raw,fresh fruit and veggie diet that puts our bodies in an alkalinic state is the answer to preventing cancer and possibly curing it in many cases.

Huge difference between your link articles description of fresh veggies being two weeks old and what Joe is talking about......lmao!

I read it more than once on page one that said frozen vegetables are garbage and comparatively have no nutritional value with regards to organic or fresh vegetables, from the grocery store. this is false. I was merely pointing this out as false, as it seems to be a fairly common belief.

As for home grown food, if you have the time and space to do so, than great. Most people though to not have either and have to settle with what they can purchase at the store, which gives the fresh vs frozen debate relevancy in this thread.

 

[d_ant11]

I read it more than once on page one that said frozen vegetables are garbage and comparatively have no nutritional value with regards to organic or fresh vegetables, from the grocery store. this is false. I was merely pointing this out as false, as it seems to be a fairly common belief.

As for home grown food, if you have the time and space to do so, than great. Most people though to not have either and have to settle with what they can purchase at the store, which gives the fresh vs frozen debate relevancy in this thread.

Got it! I missed the point of what you were trying to say. My mistake!

Thanks for the info!

 

[joe d]

There isn't much difference.

What's better for you — fresh or frozen food?

Frozen vegetables 'more nutritious than fresh produce' | Mail Online

Fresh vegetables? Think again. | NutritionData.com Blog by Monica Reinagel, L.D.N., C.N.S.

Go google fresh vs. frozen vegetables. Do your own research guys, not everyone on the boards is an expert. OP, I applaud and respect the fact that you are trying to help people and taking the initiative tod o so. But please make sure the information you put out there is true and factual.

lol yea no worries there.

 

[joe d]

I read it more than once on page one that said frozen vegetables are garbage and comparatively have no nutritional value with regards to organic or fresh vegetables, from the grocery store. this is false. I was merely pointing this out as false, as it seems to be a fairly common belief.

As for home grown food, if you have the time and space to do so, than great. Most people though to not have either and have to settle with what they can purchase at the store, which gives the fresh vs frozen debate relevancy in this thread.

you are not using the ino from the thread. you are changing it. i didnt say frozen veggies are worthless. i said frozen veggies nuked to oblivioun in a microwave are worthless and that is a verry true statement.

i dont claim to be an expert on anything. i do claim that i have used my own body as an experiment over the years and have developed a knowlege on manipulating the bodies willingness to grow and hold muscle to a level much higher than i ever imagined possible. my statements are backed with my personal success with building mass. i have zero classroom knowlege in this aspect because the classroom knowlege available is crap.