Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I've always used the combo of HCG (M,W,F) @ 1500 iu's with 20 mg Nolv and 50 mgs Clomid for three weeks. After three weeks, drop the HCG and continue on with the Nolv and Clo for three more weeks. I'm interested in trying something different. 8 past cycles, current is: Prop 100 mg/day and Mast. E at 400 mg/week. I have always used HCG and continue to plan on using it, my question is do you think that Dermacrine would replace the need for the Nolv/Clo combo? I'm 6'6" @ 285 lbs, 34 years old. Thanks
Needto: Dermacrine & HCG VS Clomid/Nol/HCG
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mrribbit
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Hey bro I'll answer this for you as needto will say the same thing. You always should run HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - while on cycle @ 250iu's e3d making it 500iu's ew. As for the Sustain, definately run it instead of the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - /clomid combo. You don't need that toxic shit for PCT - post cycle therapy - . Start the sustain one week after your last test shot and keep the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - going untill the day you start the sustain. Run the sustain till it's gone @ 4-5 pumps a day (usually around 25-30 days). I promise you you will feel much better than you ever did on your old PCT - post cycle therapy - . This stuff will make clomid/Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - a thing of the past. I love it and will continue to get others to use it. I hope that helps bro!!
needtogetaas
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I would say the same thing except to start the pct 2 weeks after last shot...and if you really wanted to you could also run a low dos of nolva or clomid with it say 25mg ed there is no need to but many like to.mrribbit said:Hey bro I'll answer this for you as needto will say the same thing. You always should run HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - while on cycle @ 250iu's e3d making it 500iu's ew. As for the Sustain, definately run it instead of the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - /clomid combo. You don't need that toxic shit for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - . Start the sustain one week after your last test shot and keep the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - going untill the day you start the sustain. Run the sustain till it's gone @ 4-5 pumps a day (usually around 25-30 days). I promise you you will feel much better than you ever did on your old PCT - post cycle therapy - . This stuff will make clomid/Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - a thing of the past. I love it and will continue to get others to use it. I hope that helps bro!!
needtogetaas
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well I love dermacrin sustain for pct by its self but there has bin a growing number of people that like to use a small dos of clomid or nolva with it...I think nolva the better chose as long as tren/deca/npp was not used...mrribbit said:What's up needto??
Yeah bro that's what I meant sorry. I'm surprised you are even saying that you can use clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - . That shit sucks!! Sustain and ANY derma product for that matter are the shit!! I see it as necessary PCT - post cycle therapy - now!!
I go with the feed back of many so if a lot of people are saying they love it like that then I guess I should throw it out there as a option for people...
any way you slice it as long as you get the dermacrine sustain in there for pct you will be good to go.
TraxZBT
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mrribbit said:Hey bro I'll answer this for you as needto will say the same thing. You always should run HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - while on cycle @ 250iu's e3d making it 500iu's ew. As for the Sustain, definately run it instead of the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - /clomid combo. You don't need that toxic shit for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - . Start the sustain one week after your last test shot and keep the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - going untill the day you start the sustain. Run the sustain till it's gone @ 4-5 pumps a day (usually around 25-30 days). I promise you you will feel much better than you ever did on your old PCT - post cycle therapy - . This stuff will make clomid/Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - a thing of the past. I love it and will continue to get others to use it. I hope that helps bro!!
Did i miss something... since when did Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - /clomid stop being part of PCT and "toxic".
needtogetaas
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theres really no need to fight about this...the guy "along with many others"just dont like clomid or nolva.many people have bad experiences with them,but also many people like them..I used to bash them to because I did not like them butTraxZBT said:
I realize they are a part of pct and they do help many people.every one has or should end up having the right pct for them...I think even the people that love clomid and nolva can benefit from throwing in some dermacrine sustain though...it really dos feel so so much better when your using it then it dos with out it.sex drive is up levels go up estro gos down and it really helps keep gains and motivation in the gym...
nothing against clomid or nolva at all like I said thats why I say some people like to use some with there dermacrin sustain...
Selfcentor
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Hey Needto i am going to hold you to your claims on dermacrine sustain. I am going to use that and clomid for my pct in about 10 weeks. Im on Test c and equipose. BUT i trust yea!
needtogetaas
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nice bro..I never put my name on a product that sucks...just wont do it ever.Selfcentor said:
TraxZBT said:
I personally stopped included nolva & clomid in my regimen about 2 years ago after I embarked on a 200+ full text review and compiled a massive thesis on the genotoxic, hepatotoxic, ocular toxic, and tetrogenic effects of these drugs. Clomid and nolva are misrepresented as “safe pharmaceuticals” used for cancer treatment. The truth is, they are carcinogens that merely offer cancer death postponement until secondary chemo therpy is brought on. Dont forget the interested party -- nolva and Clomid are dirt cheap and offer tremendous profit for the profiteer.
Anyway, on cycle hCG is great way to have a quick and painless PCT. Derma Sustain is just icing on the cake… and yes, it would easily replace clomid and nolva while offering years of glorious health.
-Pp
2raptors
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Yes, I read a review like that too (on clo mid and nol va)while researching AS over the past year. (Getting bolder as the months wore on).... I was so pleased that Primordial (and even your competitors) had something out there to replace it! Honestly, I like your (Primordial's) style, your site, Needto, and I don't like the bashing BS the others sites do...that's another reason I'm going with your product. And Protein Factory stuff too.
I'm only into week 2 and was told that week 4-6 would be better (not impressed at all, with any AS so far)....so I'm going to add your Dermacrine (when it gets here) to my stack. I'm hoping for the best. If I DO start responding better, I may extend to an 8 week cycle.
I'm only into week 2 and was told that week 4-6 would be better (not impressed at all, with any AS so far)....so I'm going to add your Dermacrine (when it gets here) to my stack. I'm hoping for the best. If I DO start responding better, I may extend to an 8 week cycle.
mrribbit
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needtogetaas said:theres really no need to fight about this...the guy "along with many others"just dont like clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - .many people have bad experiences with them,but also many people like them..I used to bash them to because I did not like them but
I realize they are a part of PCT - post cycle therapy - and they do help many people.every one has or should end up having the right PCT - post cycle therapy - for them...I think even the people that love clomid and Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - can benefit from throwing in some dermacrine sustain though...it really dos feel so so much better when your using it then it dos with out it.sex drive is up levels go up estro gos down and it really helps keep gains and motivation in the gym...
nothing against clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - at all like I said thats why I say some people like to use some with there dermacrin sustain...
Yeah I'm sorry. I don't wanna fight with anyone over this. I just feel real strongly about this stuff. I understand that everyone is different and not everyone has to use sustain. So if I offened anyone I'm sorry. Good lookin out needto!
needtogetaas
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