Need Help with Training schedules/split

[nyczvegeta85]

Ok guys, I've been training for about 4-5 years now and going balls out everytime. But now I've come to a point where it's like torture for me to go to the gym. I basically go till failure for every set and as heavy as possible drop setting. Here is how my training goes along with the exercises I do. I feel like if take out an exercise I feel incomplete and not done. I guess I have some OCD at the gym as well. Also my main concern is shoulder day I train all 3 heads of the delts individually should i train 2 heads and train 1 head on a different day because I am absolutely drained after shoulders. Please help or point me into the right direction. I have had aweseome results through this training but I am in need of some change.

Mon-
Off
Tues
Target Long head Biceps
Barbell curls drop sets 90lbs
Seated dumbell curls drop set 40-45lbs
Machine preacher curls drop set 50-60lbs
Finish with cable curls dropset 80lbs
Wed
Chest
Incline bench dumbell 90-95lb drop sets
Incline Smith machine 140lbs drop set
Incline dumbell flys 40-50lb drop set
flat bench dumbell 60-75lb drops set
Flat smith machine 140-180lb dropsets
Flat bech dumbell flys 40-45lb drop set
Pec dec machine 130lb drop set
Dips
Thur
Shoulders
Seated Reverse dumbell raises 80lbs drop set
Crouched over reverse dumbell raises ""
Bench supposted reverse raises ""
Reverse pec deck 120lbs dropsetted
Side Lateral raises 45-50lbs dropsettted
Machine side lateral raises
Cable Side lateral raises
Military Press
Front Dumbell raises
Fri
Triceps/short head biceps
incline skull crushers 90-100lbs supersetted
close grip smith machine bench supersetted 180lbs
dumbell kickbacks 50lbs supersetted
cable pushdowns supersetted 120lbs
dips/machine dips superset 130lbs
Close grip barbell curls 90lbs supersetted
Dumbell hammer curls 40lbs supersetted
Cable curls
Sat
REST
Sun
Back day
Pullups 5-6 sets failure
Smith lat machine pulldowns 180lbs dropsetted
lat pull downs 130lbs drop setted
Lat machine pulldowns 150lbs dropset
One arm dumbell rows 135lbs drop setted
Seated machine rows 170lbs dropset
Cable rows 130lbs dropsetted

 

[moya]

definately overworking your small muscles... and neglecting legs is not good...
you should look at the training vault 'sticky' and consider trying one of the routines in it, 5/3/1 and 5x5 are good...
how has youre progress been since you have started?...

 

[JDid23]

you're over thinking things.. You don't have to try to stimulate both heads of the bicep and all heads of the shoulders- I agree that you should read the stickies because you will find out about 2 missing gems that are probably holding back full body growth for you;

1. The Squat
2. The Deadlift

Give it a look at and let us know if you want to alter your routine, or try something like rippetoes

 

[nyczvegeta85]

Oh sorry guys I forgot to mention I am staying away from legs due to a knee injury Im recovering from(acl surgery) but I will be doing them in about 6 months. But yea biceps I don't believe I'm overworking because that is one of my best features lol I actually targt the heads and thats the head I feel working when I am working them out. And yea, I agree with you I can't wait to do the deads and squats for ultimate growth. Here's a pic juss to show you guys where im at.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/nyczvegeta85/Copyof2010-02-10154612.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/nyczvegeta85/Copy.jpg

 

[JDid23]

Awesome pics bro. All i have to say now is that w/e you've been doing has obviously been working for you and you know what works. However, I do think you should consider adding squats/deads and some other leg work once your legs heal. I would also consider doing weighted pullups and weighted dips.

 

[nyczvegeta85]

Thanks man, but my question is that when I train delts I start with my rear moving forward to my front delts and when I get to them I feel like I dont have much energy to do any heavy presses. I see vidz on youtube with jay cutler and all of them starting with presses first, should I be doing that or will I lose pundage the other way around after doing so? meaning Ill be weak with my rear delts going last. Or should I just train two heads of the delt for example front and side delts and rear delts on a separate day?

 

[Tblock1]

Thanks man, but my question is that when I train delts I start with my rear moving forward to my front delts and when I get to them I feel like I dont have much energy to do any heavy presses. I see vidz on youtube with jay cutler and all of them starting with presses first, should I be doing that or will I lose pundage the other way around after doing so? meaning Ill be weak with my rear delts going last. Or should I just train two heads of the delt for example front and side delts and rear delts on a separate day?

Definitely focus on presses first, heavy compound movements should always come first. Then you can do your isolation stuff. Awesome pics though, clearly whatever you have been doing has been working for you. If you are getting really tired though you should definitely stop training everything to failure, that will lead to burn out for sure. Maybe try a strength routine for a while to switch things up, or a new bodybuilding routine, or just something new. Your traps and arms are looking solid though

 

[moya]

you on test bro?... that would change my opinion on overtraining if you are...
and actually, your bi's (not a dis) dont seem as developed as your shoulders and chest... which look pretty thick btw...

 

[nyczvegeta85]

I was on test, I'm almost at the end of my pct and still training as hard as I was on test.(was my first cycle) got some great gains and so far I've kept most of it. I have been training till failure and i think they call it pyramiding then dropsetting after that. I dunno I feel like I havent worked out if i dont train till my muscles completely fail. Like I said I have a bit of OCD when training so I put myself thru hell every sngle time I hit the gym but its taxing physically cuz I literally gotta drag myself to the gym because my brain scared of the torturous routine I know Ima put myself through(if that even made sense to any of you) lol.

 

[nyczvegeta85]

Oh yea, I forgot to add that I go pretty dang heavy on my rear delts up to 80lbs dumbells each hand (bent over laterals) thats where my confusion comes in I don't want to have no energy enough to hit the rear delts like Im used to. BEcause I hear that you should hit from back to front. weakest to strongest.