Need help for a new cutting diet.

[Rabid_Goose]

My old cutting diet was based on the grams being 40/30/30 ratio, not the cals they contributed. I made a major mistake out of a minor detail that I assumed.


Here is the question, would a 50/20/30 ratio be sufficient for this at a 2100 calorie diet? 250g pro, 105carbs, 63g fat. My main problem is from what I understand, you should have a heavy restriction on carbs after your PWO meal.

Well, my PWO meal happens to be the 2nd meal of the day for me. If I could find something to add in with my 3rd meal I may do that but problem is, I'm eating chicken that meal, and rice makes me want to puke. I'm at work so anything made has to be pre-made and Nuked, or just plain out Nuked. Any advice is good advice here guys. Anything is appreciated no matter how minute it maybe. At the end of a rope here. I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to eat 250g of protein a day, I guess invest into a Protein company or get over the headaches tuna gives me.

 

[Kabeetz]

Goose,

I realize how focused and how successful you've been with the cutting... but 2100 is just too low for any amount of time unless perhaps you were in the process of dialing it in for a BB show.

40/30/30 is a great ratio, but frankly, the ratio wouldnt really mean too much if you were taking in such a below maintenance amount of calories (especially including all your workouts) anyway since u're practically starving urself.

You have been cutting for a very, very long time. While I realize I am no expert in the field... I think that u probably should reset your your metabolism by eating at least maintenance levels or a couple hundred cals above for a week, then slowly dropping down about a 100 calories a week til u get somewhere like 2500. At that point, if you find your body adapting to that caloric level, you could consider either adding an empty stomach HIT morning, or lengthening your existing cardio sessions a bit, or maybe even adding some kind of fat burner.

Especially since u've got such a great 5x5 going and u're adding some nice fat killing muscle..2100 will impede your progress tremendously with that.

When I was 18 I went from close to 300 to 174.. and the only thing 2100 a day for a long period of time gets u is to skinny fat. Not cut like u're hoping for.

Just my .02

My old cutting diet was based on the grams being 40/30/30 ratio, not the cals they contributed. I made a major mistake out of a minor detail that I assumed.


Here is the question, would a 50/20/30 ratio be sufficient for this at a 2100 calorie diet? 250g pro, 105carbs, 63g fat. My main problem is from what I understand, you should have a heavy restriction on carbs after your PWO meal.

Well, my PWO meal happens to be the 2nd meal of the day for me. If I could find something to add in with my 3rd meal I may do that but problem is, I'm eating chicken that meal, and rice makes me want to puke. I'm at work so anything made has to be pre-made and Nuked, or just plain out Nuked. Any advice is good advice here guys. Anything is appreciated no matter how minute it maybe. At the end of a rope here. I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to eat 250g of protein a day, I guess invest into a Protein company or get over the headaches tuna gives me.

 

[Rabid_Goose]

I thought 2100 was low, that is the reason I posted. Any advice is good and will keep me from train-wrecking my diet plan like I did this time. Live and learn.

My main problem is going to be getting in my carbs. Rice makes me puke, I guess I'm going to have to eat like 4 servings of oatmeal a day or something right after I work out to get my damn carbs in. Or Just have two pieces of whole grain bread with my PWO meal, then my next meal and then my snack meal. It is the carbs I don't know how to get in. Everything else is easy.

Protein comes from all my chicken, and when I want to go over the 200g mark I'm just adding in another shake somewhere, unsure where. I think I may be holding myself back with just 177g of protein a day.

And congrats on that big loss man, wow. I think I'm starting to get loose skin now because I'm sitting on the 70lb mark. How long did it take for yours to go away?

 

[Kabeetz]

I'm surprised rice makes u puke, I love it. Have u tried brown rice? How about sweet potato? Just throw it in the microwave and add A LITTLE salt or fake butter or splenda and cinnamon.

What about fruit, especially before 3 pm? Grapefruit (w/ splenda on top rocks) is alleged to have great weight reduction properties and I myself used that when I lost my weight. Also u can get frozen fruit varieties from the market, melons and apples, mixed berries, strawberries... these act as great Pre and Post workout additions to any protein shake as well.

I also recently discovered natural granola oats and honey, which is a stop and shop label product but I'm sure any chain would carry it, but make sure the ingredients are all natural mine has whole grain rolled oats, almonds, coconut milk and two other easily identifiable ingredients.

I never had a problem with loose skin, probably cuz I was only 18 and the younger u are the quicker ur body adapts to that kind of stuff, but like I said, I didn't change shape much either, because I lost a lot of lean mass along the way too.

A lot of people will tell u to stay away from dairy while cutting, but there is a school of thought that says milk is great at preventing loose skin, so consider a cup of skim milk during the day at some point. 8gs protein, 12gs carbs, no fat.

There is another method for getting in your carbs, and that's supplementation. Cytogainer, from the maker of muscle milk, ha little fat, something like 50gs of protein and something like 50gs of great carbs. One serving is 4 scoops and is 570 calories with water. That is a perfect amount for post workout, or u could only do 2 scoops and get again about 25g/25g at 285 calories at any other point during the day.

Point is, there are lots of options. And if oatmeal all day every day works for u, then stick with that too. See what works for your body.

For example, Bunny helped me to see that whole wheat bread, even supposed 100%, wasn't doing me much good in a cutting phase. I stay away from bread now except for my big meal post-post workout.

There is a cutting/bulking calculator spreadsheet that is often linked to on this forum. I would suggest using that to find the amount of cals u need to take in daily. U're gonna be surprised by how many more than 2100 it is.

If you're concerned about loose skin, you don't wanna quicken your pace..u wanna slow it down. Aim for half pound a week, and that's after u recharge ur metabolism's batteries. Remember that if u lost 2 pounds of fat a week at 300, that's 1/150th of ur bodyweight. If you lose 2 pounds of fat at 200, that's 1/100th.

I thought 2100 was low, that is the reason I posted. Any advice is good and will keep me from train-wrecking my diet plan like I did this time. Live and learn.

My main problem is going to be getting in my carbs. Rice makes me puke, I guess I'm going to have to eat like 4 servings of oatmeal a day or something right after I work out to get my damn carbs in. Or Just have two pieces of whole grain bread with my PWO meal, then my next meal and then my snack meal. It is the carbs I don't know how to get in. Everything else is easy.

Protein comes from all my chicken, and when I want to go over the 200g mark I'm just adding in another shake somewhere, unsure where. I think I may be holding myself back with just 177g of protein a day.

And congrats on that big loss man, wow. I think I'm starting to get loose skin now because I'm sitting on the 70lb mark. How long did it take for yours to go away?

 

[Rabid_Goose]

Bread has been a big thing for me in the mornings, only time I eat it is when I wake up because I haven't had any other carb sources. I'm going to look into sweet potato's and going to look up how much a month supply of MM's CytoGainer will run me. If it isn't too bad I'll start using it and use my other protein shake for a meal at break, have two servings of it.

I've got to go pack and get ready for a trip over the next few days. I'm going to eat as much protein over the next week and raise my calories up a bit. We'll see how it goes, thanks man.

 

[Rabid_Goose]

Never mind, I just googled it up. I'm such a tard sometimes. Anywho, my BMR is 1917, now I need to figure out how much heavy lifting, some cardio and my job factor in and I'm good to go.