Natural or Juiced!

[Hybridtheory2o]

I decided to stay natural for an extended period of time. I just dont feel comfortable with my life changing so much so fast right now to throw that in the mix unless I had some supervision which I dont. I will say I do just fine naturally. Could be genetics as well with my diet and training but I usually smash the weights pretty good.

You can get pretty big and ripped naturally to my understanding.

 

[gurusevuppal]

No disrespect Bro, but researching the use of anabolic androgenic steroids in two weeks is not going to give you time to form a proper opinion. The key to understanding the use of steriods in BBing or PLing is to realise that they are only part of the equation to gaining mass & strength. Those guys in your gym that may or may not be using gear, may well not have the other factors in place like, diet & nutrition, training programs & intensity, rest & recovery, goals & ambitions, & the physicological aspects (the head thing).

true

 

[the_alcatraz]

Being juiced is way too tempting....if you get on the juice once, you're hooked!

 

[Zuperman]

Check this out guys, rate it, do you think its natural or juiced??
PICS!!!!
Its a sticky!

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...s-special-thanks-those-who-helped-574561.html

 

[makeingains]

and then you die.

 

[Elementality]

Injecting Creatine... wow.

Keep in mind that 99.9% of the people on this board are just as lost as you. They do not compete in BB, PL or Weightlifting. They are gym rats looking for a better body. Nothing wrong with that by any means, but it is important to remember when getting advice online. Most of the peeps around here have VERY limited experience w/ AAS.

A couple weeks ago a user made a post about a dbol only cylce. THen a few days later he is replying to another thread about dbol like he is a expert. So he has never taken it, but is more than happy to share his expertise w/ you. I don;t know, maybe they are all staying at Holiday Inn Expresses.... (BTW, Dbol Only is a great first cycle... people that say 'oral only' cycles are bad are misinformed, and are not speaking from real world experience).

If you are happy with the way you look, or with your lifts and how they are progressing then stay natural. If you are not you should look into a few things prior to ridin' dirty...lol

1. Diet - most important. List yours, I am sure we can find flaws...

2. Training - are you following a Linear Progression model or some type of periodization? If you are not sure lay out your workouts and we can tweak them. Basically if you aren;t adding weight or reps each workout you will not grow - I don;t give a shit how much clean cals you eat. You have to FORCE your body to adapt.

3. Technique - full ROM is required to grow. Ever see a guy repping 405 on bench and not touching his chest.... benching is not a team sport. If you can;t getthe reps than you need to lower the weight. Same for squats and deads.

4. Lifts - NO ONE grows doing curls and kickbacks - period. People grow by Squatting, Deadlifting, Benching, Chins, and Rows... in that order. Period. Feed, Lift, Rest, Repeat.

Hey, I was just wondering if you could explain the importance of this order. Quote "Squatting, Deadlifting, Benching, Chins, and Rows... in that order". Do you mean in this order as if ranking them in their significance of developing muscle growth, or do you mean this as a schedule of which workout to do first, then second, then third etc.. while you're at the gym. Like, the first thing you should do when u walk in the gym and warm up is squat, then deadlift, then bench, then chins, and finish the workout with rows.

Im on a 5x5 program, and its doing great for me on looks and strength. But, I lift in this order Bench/squat/row/deadlift.

 

[Varga]

Being juiced is way too tempting....if you get on the juice once, you're hooked!

It's like fucking a hot model...after that it's all downhill....LOL

 

[the_alcatraz]

natural is obsolete...by chosing to be natural, you're already giving 90% of bodybuilders an edge over you

 

[F117A Active Stealth]

hey bros,
i would like to know is it better to be natural or juiced? i have been searching into it for couple of weeks but got a mixed opinion. so many guys in my gym they been taking steroids(i think) but they havent made a much difference in their physics. where as, there are couple of guys who's been doing a power lifting routine and i am sure they dont steroids at all. they been putting on weight every week. is it jus genetics or something?

Genetics is part of it. It could also be that the "steroid" guys are using fake stuff, or maybe it's real but their diet is so horrible that they aren't gaining anything

is that true a person can still maintain strength even after quiting if he's natural?

Everyone has a genetic natural limit. If the drugs helped you reach your limit, when you go off (provided your natural system kicks in again) you keep your strength. Otherwise if you became massively strong beyond your natural limit, you will fall to your natural limit, whatever that may be.

Just wondering, Creatine isnt a steriod is it? I never thought it was until some things I have read as of late, and some guys in the Steroid forum saying they inject Creatine.

Not a steroid, but I wouldn't inject it, especially the stuff that's already liquid from the factory (junk)

A couple weeks ago a user made a post about a Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only cylce. THen a few days later he is replying to another thread about Dianabol - methandrostenolone - like he is a expert. So he has never taken it, but is more than happy to share his expertise w/ you. I don;t know, maybe they are all staying at Holiday Inn Expresses.... (BTW, Dbol Only is a great first cycle... people that say 'oral only' cycles are bad are misinformed, and are not speaking from real world experience).

LMAO like the rodeo clown :

4. Lifts - NO ONE grows doing curls and kickbacks - period. People grow by Squatting, Deadlifting, Benching, Chins, and Rows... in that order. Period. Feed, Lift, Rest, Repeat.

Agreed 110%

If you are happy with the way you look, or with your lifts and how they are progressing then stay natural. If you are not you should look into a few things prior to ridin' dirty...lol

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the most common reasons for people to want to get big and lean are the following:

1. To get girls/get layed

2. To become intimidating to enemies/perceived enemies

3. To excel at some specific sport.

4. To show off to others their superiority

Soooo........

If all you care about is getting layed, forget steroids PERIOD!! You don't need them, as long as you are ripped (even with 12" arms) they will think you are HUUUGE and are more likely to find you attractive enough to sleep with.

If you think you will become menacing and intimitating, then you will probably have to use the drugs. If you are happy with being in the top 70% of intimidating physiques, you can get away with mild cycles. If you want freaky huge size and strength, you will have to abuse your body with drugs like crazy. Personally I rather carry a gun nowadays, since having 24" arms won't protect you from the crazy with a 9mm.

Pretty much the same applies to any professional sport. You can no longer compete unless you are on the sauce.

As for showing off, depends who you want to show off to. If it's the average joe, forget steroids, just get ripped and that will impress the hell out of everyone. If you want to show off in the gym, prepare to abuse your body with drugs, since you'll have to be bigger and leaner than 80% of the gym, and if you want to be in the top 90% start finding out Ronnie Coleman's drug cycling, and start saving for the $$$ the drugs will cost ya to do it.

 

[the_alcatraz]

and if you want to be in the top 90% start finding out Ronnie Coleman's drug cycling, and start saving for the $$$ the drugs will cost ya to do it.

LOL