Natural or Juiced!

[al420]

Injecting Creatine... wow.

Keep in mind that 99.9% of the people on this board are just as lost as you. They do not compete in BB, PL or Weightlifting. They are gym rats looking for a better body. Nothing wrong with that by any means, but it is important to remember when getting advice online. Most of the peeps around here have VERY limited experience w/ AAS.

A couple weeks ago a user made a post about a dbol only cylce. THen a few days later he is replying to another thread about dbol like he is a expert. So he has never taken it, but is more than happy to share his expertise w/ you. I don;t know, maybe they are all staying at Holiday Inn Expresses.... (BTW, Dbol Only is a great first cycle... people that say 'oral only' cycles are bad are misinformed, and are not speaking from real world experience).

If you are happy with the way you look, or with your lifts and how they are progressing then stay natural. If you are not you should look into a few things prior to ridin' dirty...lol

1. Diet - most important. List yours, I am sure we can find flaws...

2. Training - are you following a Linear Progression model or some type of periodization? If you are not sure lay out your workouts and we can tweak them. Basically if you aren;t adding weight or reps each workout you will not grow - I don;t give a shit how much clean cals you eat. You have to FORCE your body to adapt.

3. Technique - full ROM is required to grow. Ever see a guy repping 405 on bench and not touching his chest.... benching is not a team sport. If you can;t getthe reps than you need to lower the weight. Same for squats and deads.

4. Lifts - NO ONE grows doing curls and kickbacks - period. People grow by Squatting, Deadlifting, Benching, Chins, and Rows... in that order. Period. Feed, Lift, Rest, Repeat.

 

[deathdroprob]

Yeah I rad it int the steriods forum some guy injects creatine with a proper steriod. That shit sounds fucked up

 

[time]

I think the best answer for this is What is you goal?
If you just want to get big stay natural.
If you want to compete you then should consider the alternate.
I can't see putting your health at risk just to get big unless you have
a definite goal in mind.
Just my .02

Great Point!

 

[PoweredUp]

Lifts - NO ONE grows doing curls and kickbacks - period. People grow by Squatting, Deadlifting, Benching, Chins, and Rows... in that order. Period. Feed, Lift, Rest, Repeat.

Al, I believe you mentioned previously that you do a 4-day routine where you alternate push and pull days. I actually prefer the push/pull split myself, but I was wondering if you could post what your typical routine might look like? I'm always looking to improve mine...

 

[al420]

Al, I believe you mentioned previously that you do a 4-day routine where you alternate push and pull days. I actually prefer the push/pull split myself, but I was wondering if you could post what your typical routine might look like? I'm always looking to improve mine...

Monday: Heavy Pull

Power Clean: 8x3
Deads: 5x5
Face Pulls: 5x15-20
Bicep Curl: 4x12

Tuesday: Light Push

Flat Bench: 3x5, 3x3, 1x2 - I mix this up a bit
Snatch Grip BTN Press: 5x5
Front Squat: 5x5

Thur: Light Pull

DB SNatch: 5x5
Rack Pull: 5x5
Face Pulls: 100 reps w/ very little rest

Fri: Heavy Push

Push Press: 5x3
DB Incline: 3x12
Back Squat: 5x5, 1x3

 

[PoweredUp]

Are face pulls similar to bent-over rows except that you pull the bar to just under your chin?

Monday: Heavy Pull

Power Clean: 8x3
Deads: 5x5
Face Pulls: 5x15-20
Bicep Curl: 4x12

Tuesday: Light Push

Flat Bench: 3x5, 3x3, 1x2 - I mix this up a bit
Snatch Grip BTN Press: 5x5
Front Squat: 5x5

Thur: Light Pull

DB SNatch: 5x5
Rack Pull: 5x5
Face Pulls: 100 reps w/ very little rest

Fri: Heavy Push

Push Press: 5x3
DB Incline: 3x12
Back Squat: 5x5, 1x3

 

[al420]

http://www.afboard.com/forum/anabolic-discussion/206513-blood-test-came-back.html

bottom of the page

 

[gurusevuppal]

Injecting Creatine... wow.

Keep in mind that 99.9% of the people on this board are just as lost as you. They do not compete in BB, PL or Weightlifting. They are gym rats looking for a better body. Nothing wrong with that by any means, but it is important to remember when getting advice online. Most of the peeps around here have VERY limited experience w/ anabolic androgenic steroids.

A couple weeks ago a user made a post about a Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only cylce. THen a few days later he is replying to another thread about Dianabol - methandrostenolone - like he is a expert. So he has never taken it, but is more than happy to share his expertise w/ you. I don;t know, maybe they are all staying at Holiday Inn Expresses.... (BTW, Dbol Only is a great first cycle... people that say 'oral only' cycles are bad are misinformed, and are not speaking from real world experience).

If you are happy with the way you look, or with your lifts and how they are progressing then stay natural. If you are not you should look into a few things prior to ridin' dirty...lol

1. Diet - most important. List yours, I am sure we can find flaws...

2. Training - are you following a Linear Progression model or some type of periodization? If you are not sure lay out your workouts and we can tweak them. Basically if you aren;t adding weight or reps each workout you will not grow - I don;t give a shit how much clean cals you eat. You have to FORCE your body to adapt.

3. Technique - full ROM is required to grow. Ever see a guy repping 405 on bench and not touching his chest.... benching is not a team sport. If you can;t getthe reps than you need to lower the weight. Same for squats and deads.

4. Lifts - NO ONE grows doing curls and kickbacks - period. People grow by Squatting, Deadlifting, Benching, Chins, and Rows... in that order. Period. Feed, Lift, Rest, Repeat.

thanks bro, really appreciate it. so here's are somethings you asked for:
first of all, i am better in every workout than before. i mean in terms of reps and weight. iam currently doing needsize 5x5 version here's my workout:

tues:
shoulder,forearms & legs

Legs:
squats 5x5
calf raises 2x8-10
leg curls 2x8-10( or i am thinkin of doing leg presses, wat u guys think?)

Shoulders:
BTN barbell press 5x5
lateral raises 2x8-10
rear delt raises 2x8-10
shrugs: 3x5
arm curls 2x8-10

thurs
Back & biceps

Back
Deadlifts: 4x5
Rows: 3 x 8-10
pulldowns 3x 8-10

Biceps:
Ez bar curls : 3x5
dumbell curls: 2x 8-10


sat:
Chest & Triceps

chest :
Flat bench : 5x5
incline press: 2x8-10
flyes: 2x8-10

Triceps:
close grip press: 3x5
triceps ext: 3x 8-10

as fas as my diet concerns, I eat like 5-6 times and whenver i am hungry. but now i am getting sticking points on compound exercises. any kind of help would be appreciated

 

[Varga]

Switch to a different exercise for that body part, start with medium weights build up then when that sticks then move back to what you were doing before.
Occasionaly I use a 4 week rotation of exercises in which I would incorporate something like this for example:
Let's say chest,
Week 1 flat bench
Week 2 incline bench
Week 3 Incline DB
Week 4 Decline

Then back to flat bench. It worked very well for me

 

[nzrodney]

hey bros,
i would like to know is it better to be natural or juiced? i have been searching into it for couple of weeks but got a mixed opinion. so many guys in my gym they been taking steroids(i think) but they havent made a much difference in their physics. where as, there are couple of guys who's been doing a power lifting routine and i am sure they dont steroids at all. they been putting on weight every week. is it jus genetics or something?

No disrespect Bro, but researching the use of AAS in two weeks is not going to give you time to form a proper opinion. The key to understanding the use of steriods in BBing or PLing is to realise that they are only part of the equation to gaining mass & strength. Those guys in your gym that may or may not be using gear, may well not have the other factors in place like, diet & nutrition, training programs & intensity, rest & recovery, goals & ambitions, & the physicological aspects (the head thing).