Naked moron PWNED by cops !

[jfn2]

.........and people wouldn't need to worry AT ALL about tasers if they just wouldn't act like a jackass in the first place.
I wouldn't touch a big, sweaty, naked, non-penis-having drunk just because he isn't a big boy enough to follow some simple laws/rules. If I showed up with a badge, he would be lucky if I had a taser. I would much rather just shoot him and save his family from future embarrassment.

not sure about a bullet vs taser stopping-the-heart ratio? i think the bullet would win hands down. taser = safer. taser = funnier. maybe they should change PD protocol, and at least TRY the shocker on him first. might calm him down, who knows?

 

[tha joker]

Keep in mind you are making the same baseless argument in reference to tasers that has been made about oleoresin capsicum, the lateral vascular neck restraint, positional asphyxia, etc. ALL of the aforementioned arguments have been completely and totally debunked by experts. There is a website you might want to visit, The Pathology Guy. He is one of the medical doctors called in to quell the taser death controversy (did it pro bono). His list of credentials is a mile long. He has taken on many cases, both for and against the police. He bases his opinions solely on fact and science, not on emotion or controversy. He is basically an expert on the how and why a person dies. You can post questions for him on his website. Let him give you an opinion as to whether or not tasers kill people, stop hearts, fry brains, cause disrythmias, etc. I promise, he will give you an honest no bullshit assessment. He currently is teaching pathology at a medical school (former medical examiner, actually got to watch him perform an autopsy once while in school). Once you look at his site, I think you will find he is not the kind of guy to drop his opinion for money. Actually, he is pretty damn weird but not a bullshitter.

 

[myway]

well I did look things up......sorry that I didn't know off hand they were called "defibrillators", but really...so what. Anyway........you're right that manual defibs discharge more joules, but over a very short period of time. I have to think that a taser which is rated at 50000 volts being held to your chest for 10+ seconds, HAS to have some effect on your heart. Yes I am not an expert on tasers and could be wrong, but folks are getting put in the ground by em so whatever.....

Actually, I REALLY DID like ur shocker term. I will be using it at work.
Volts is WAY different than joules. BIG TIME. Honestly, I have been on WAY MORE medical calls from pepperspray. It sux if u have asthma and just ran 3 blocks from the police. I even got a call on a guy at the police academy after being sprayed.
When I pace someone(we do that with a shocker thingie,2), it isn't a "quick hit". I put it there and leave it until the doc removes it.... usually around surgery time.
Even infants are paced at over 2joules/PER KILO(5kg kid gets between 10-45 joules).

So, one joule is the work done, or energy expended, by a force of one newton moving an object one meter along the direction of the force. This quantity isalso denoted as a Newton-meter with the symbol N·m.
4 Using an average person’s weight (of 155 pounds), and the person is moderately active (multiply weight by 17 to get Kcal/day requirements) means that the person needs (155 x 17 =) 2,635 Kcal. 2,635 Kcal x 1,000 cal/Kcal = 2,635,000 cal. Then, 1 joule = 0.2388 cal. Thus, 1 cal = 4.2 J. Thus, 2,635,000
cal/day x 4.2 J/cal = 11,067,000 J/day. Now, 60 seconds x 60 minutes x 24 hours = 86,400 seconds per day. Thus, 11,067,000 J/day divided by 86,400s/day = 128.09 J/s required by the body.
5 A 12-ounce can of Pepsi® has 150 Kcal. Or, 150 Kcal x 1,000 cal/Kcal = 150,000 cal (in one 12-ounce can). Thus, 150,000 cal x 4.2 J/cal = 630,000 J (in one 12-ounce can). Now, 1 ounce = 29.57 milliliters (ml). And, there are 20 drops per ml. Thus, 12 ounces x 29.57 ml/ounce = 354.84 ml/12 ounces. And,
354.84 ml x 20 drops/ml = 7,096.8 drops per 12 ounces. Thus each drop of Pepsi is 630,000 J/7,096.8 drops = 88.7724 J/drop (of Pepsi).
DOES Pepsi KILL,2?
PEPSI='s BANT.

 

[redsamurai]

how many joules are being released into a person by a 50000 volt taser that's being held to a persons chest for that long though? And is it so inconceivable that someone who's on beta's or ACE's, which are now being ridiculously presribed for just about everything..........could suffer adverse effects from a taser?

Actually, I REALLY DID like ur shocker term. I will be using it at work.
Volts is WAY different than joules. BIG TIME. Honestly, I have been on WAY MORE medical calls from pepperspray. It sux if u have asthma and just ran 3 blocks from the police. I even got a call on a guy at the police academy after being sprayed.
When I pace someone(we do that with a shocker thingie,2), it isn't a "quick hit". I put it there and leave it until the doc removes it.... usually around surgery time.
Even infants are paced at over 2joules/PER KILO(5kg kid gets between 10-45 joules).

So, one joule is the work done, or energy expended, by a force of one newton moving an object one meter along the direction of the force. This quantity isalso denoted as a Newton-meter with the symbol N·m.
4 Using an average person’s weight (of 155 pounds), and the person is moderately active (multiply weight by 17 to get Kcal/day requirements) means that the person needs (155 x 17 =) 2,635 Kcal. 2,635 Kcal x 1,000 cal/Kcal = 2,635,000 cal. Then, 1 joule = 0.2388 cal. Thus, 1 cal = 4.2 J. Thus, 2,635,000
cal/day x 4.2 J/cal = 11,067,000 J/day. Now, 60 seconds x 60 minutes x 24 hours = 86,400 seconds per day. Thus, 11,067,000 J/day divided by 86,400s/day = 128.09 J/s required by the body.
5 A 12-ounce can of Pepsi® has 150 Kcal. Or, 150 Kcal x 1,000 cal/Kcal = 150,000 cal (in one 12-ounce can). Thus, 150,000 cal x 4.2 J/cal = 630,000 J (in one 12-ounce can). Now, 1 ounce = 29.57 milliliters (ml). And, there are 20 drops per ml. Thus, 12 ounces x 29.57 ml/ounce = 354.84 ml/12 ounces. And,
354.84 ml x 20 drops/ml = 7,096.8 drops per 12 ounces. Thus each drop of Pepsi is 630,000 J/7,096.8 drops = 88.7724 J/drop (of Pepsi).
DOES Pespsi KILL,2?
PEPSI='s BANT.

 

[myway]

not sure about a bullet vs taser stopping-the-heart ratio? i think the bullet would win hands down. taser = safer. taser = funnier. maybe they should change PD protocol, and at least TRY the shocker on him first. might calm him down, who knows?

Yea, that's what I promise the psych transfers when they start talking about killing me.
Never needed to do it. Go figure.

 

[tha joker]

Emergency Medicine News - Fulltext (PDF): Volume 30(2) February 2008 p 4,6 Rhetoric vs. Reality.


More medical data and opinions for you.

 

[jfn2]

Yea, that's what I promise the psych transfers when they start talking about killing me.
Never needed to do it. Go figure.

you wouldn't need a taser, anyway. i've heard the stories about you. crushing dudes' skulls with a few swings of a flashlight and all....

 

[tha joker]

Physician FAQs




And for people with really bad heart problems....more facts.

 

[tha joker]

Lose the "50000" volts reference, that is not the part of electricity that kills and has absolutely no relevance. IT IS THE JOULES.

 

[redsamurai]

Physician FAQs




And for people with really bad heart problems....more facts.

and yet there's a video somewhere on the net of a dude in vancouver who got tased and never got up again. He had some cardiomyopathy, can't remember. I dunno, I'm not making a case either way.........you can certainly fudge the research both ways on this. But the cases of people not getting up after being tased are pretty self explanatory. Something was different with them that caused them to be hyper susceptible....what that is who knows. Could be drugs they were on...I don't know. I just think it's retarded to hold a 50000 volt taser to some dude's chest for 10 minutes.