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My Quest to COMPETE - BEAT THE DISEASE!

JKurz1 said:
MY PLEA...........

I've come to the realization after reading a post by John Bernardi..........I am SEVERELY SEVERELY severely.........overtrained and my body can't respond. Look at what has happened...I've drop 75lbs, my test levels are below the floor, i have no energy, my bp is extremely low as is my heartrate......i have severe stomach distress.......I am just amazed that I never ever get sick. Never. Maybe 1 time a year. Anerexic nervouse is another symptom, anxiety, depression.........it all is so in my face that I cant believe now I am realizing it....my face gets cold, my limbs go numb........and I'm scared. Scared because I CAN'T STOP TRAINING.......I'll feel like hell, I will starve. I can't ration eating carbs even in moderation of i'm not doing anything that day. I don't want to keep digging this hole which is prob. too late and the only thing keeping me going is getting stronger or at least staying the same in terms of weighs used everyday. Something has got to give....what do I do? Switch to a eod training approach and just eat fat/pro on off days??? Anyone who can help and understand how I want to stay LEAN while doing this would be of great help........

dude its like a continuous cycle with you. Quit trying to self diagnose yourself. You have no idea what the problem is, go to the fucking doctor. You have no idea what your test level is and if you hadn't been to a doc I highly doubt you know what your bp is. You are so worried about having abs you know what, you are going to stay that way and never progress until you decide what you want.
 
Jeff,

I understand the desire to stay lean, or more realistically, to minimize fat gain while bulking. Your reasoning is based on irrational fears. You're intelligent enough to know this, but you've got a disorder that won't let you see this from a logical point of view.

Again, the option for you to talk with a specialist in the area of eating disorders is always there, and it is decision for you and only you to make.

I think you probably took John Berardi's article a little out of context. Anyway, the fact that you've improved your lifts leads me to believe that you're not in some chronic overtrained state. You've had enthusiasm for training, and I just don't think you have some serious issue here. I think you deserve a couple weeks out of the gym and it may not be a bad thing to take a month off, but I do not seriously think you've battered yourself down beyond repair.

All I can help you with when it comes to rationalizing eating carbs and taking 'off-days' is that it works and works well, and has worked since the dawn of time. You've done it before and you didn't get "fat", countless people do it and are not fat.....if that isn't enough, then you probably at least should bounce these concerns off of somebody trained to deal with them.

You went from 250-160 from 4 years of starvation. You ate 2000 cals a day and probably burned 2500/day from all the exercise and the triathlon training. ANYBODY who weighs a buck 60 at 6-2 is going to have low blood pressure. As for the test levels, 250mg a week is considered nothing by the "175lb Monsters" on most discussion boards, lol, but in reality it is MUCH more than a maintainence dose and there is no way your test levels are "below the floor" on 250mg of Cyp a week, considering the shit is real, lol.

With training, you obviously know what works and what doesn't.......you know how to program, so stop neurotically trying to stuff something into every day of the week and just let common sense guide you.....again, if this is beyond common sense, just talk to someone, it'll help.

Your body would respond to training with more cals on a consistent basis. The diets you've outlined, while a bit micromanaged for my tastes, have the cals you need, they have the macros you need, if you were truly eating ~4000 cals a day of the macros you listed, and you DIDN'T burn off 2500 of them with 'secret cardio sessions' then you should not still weigh 160.....be honest with yourself there. I don't think you're unresponsive to training, I think you're probably still creating a mild caloric deficit somehow, someway, or at best ending up at maintainence for 160lbs.

I still think you can do this if you can listen to your own voice of reason, just ask yourself if you truly believe this, if you've got 1 slight doubt, then make the call and let a professional help you beat this once and for all.
 
Neo22 said:
dude its like a continuous cycle with you. Quit trying to self diagnose yourself. You have no idea what the problem is, go to the fucking doctor. You have no idea what your test level is and if you hadn't been to a doc I highly doubt you know what your bp is. You are so worried about having abs you know what, you are going to stay that way and never progress until you decide what you want.
I was there.........I had the tests done...........i had a liver biopsy for high enzymes.....i had my test levels checked.....i had my bp checked....he said your test is low, here is androderm.....you bp is low, you'll live a long time....they can't find anything wrong,.,,,,,,I have EVERY SYMPTOM OF OT...I am in the gym FOURTEEN TIMES A FUCKING WEEK...........QUIT POSTING ON MY THREAD! PLEASE..............let me get the assistance I need.........
 
JKurz1 said:
I was there.........I had the tests done...........i had a liver biopsy for high enzymes.....i had my test levels checked.....i had my bp checked....he said your test is low, here is androderm.....you bp is low, you'll live a long time....they can't find anything wrong,.,,,,,,I have EVERY SYMPTOM OF OT...I am in the gym FOURTEEN TIMES A FUCKING WEEK...........QUIT POSTING ON MY THREAD! PLEASE..............let me get the assistance I need.........

dude go fuck yourself seriously. Everyone has tried to help you out and you come back and do nothing but bitch and moan. If they SAY NOTHING IS FUCKING WRONG WITH YOU THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP, TRAIN, FUCKING EAT AND QUIT LOOKING AT YOUR FUCKING ABS. THE REALITY IS NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOUR ABS, WOMEN DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR ABS, THE KEEBLER ELF DOESNT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOUR ABS. You're an idiot for going to the gym 14 times a week. Shit I am a trainer and I train at the gym and I don't even go there close to that. THE ONLY ASSISTANCE YOU NEED IS A CLINIC FOR EATING AND MENTAL DISORDERS!
 
This thread is soooooo repetitive it's sickening!
DUDE-GET SOME MENTAL HELP A.S.A.P.!!!

DON'T WORRY ABOUT YOUR FUCKING ABS!!!! YOUR A TOOTHPICK SON! EAT MOTHER FUCKER--EAT!!!!!!!! EAT MORE FAT & CARBS! QUIT THE FUCKING CARDIO AND OVER TRAINING BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY DO DIE!!
 
dougmug said:
This thread is soooooo repetitive it's sickening!
DUDE-GET SOME MENTAL HELP A.S.A.P.!!!

DON'T WORRY ABOUT YOUR FUCKING ABS!!!! YOUR A TOOTHPICK SON! EAT MOTHER FUCKER--EAT!!!!!!!! EAT MORE FAT & CARBS! QUIT THE FUCKING CARDIO AND OVER TRAINING BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY DO DIE!!
**ECHOED" finally.,....
 
Okay, I have to chime in. What is it you are expexting to get here? First off. Is it nessassary for you to worry about every single detail so much. You write down everything you do all day every day, every thing you eat every day! Come on man! Fucking live your godaamn life some. Do you ever think all of your "symptoms" may be in your head? Your docs telling you there is NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU! Get it? Get on with it! I have been a sucessful PT for 14 years and if you were my client I would tell you so suck it up. Sooooo suck it up man! This shit fucking hurts! It hurts every minute of every day. I Diet harder for competition than almost anyone I know. I fucking hate it but I do not bitch about it. I have cried because my sweet potato got runied! 1700 cal a day at 210# for 6 weeks! one carb mael ever two weeks! It hurts! it sucks but I do it because I can not because I have to! No one makes us and no one wants to hear our woes...I am sorry but its true. This thread I am sorry to say is simply just ridiculas at this point. I have never seen you on another post. Thats fucked up...It is not all about you.


The weak suffer what they must. The strong endure what they will.

Quadsweep
 
This is the thread that never ends... and it goes on and on my friend... some people started chiming in not knowing what it was, and they'll continue chiming in forever just because this is the thread that never ends...
 
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