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My Quest to COMPETE - BEAT THE DISEASE!

jeff if your coming off this week you'd better hop on the hcg. I just finished PCT from a 14 weeker of 250mg test ew. At Ulters recommendation I began shooting 500iu's of HCG on the day of my 2nd to last injection. I then ran it at 500iu's for 10 days after that. Shoot it sub-q in the abdominal fat(the little you have just pinch it together) rotating sides from right to left. You'd better run some anti e too. i was using 2 sprays of AIFM in the morning and evening after showers while running the HCG. After the HCG was finished up I ran 2 sprays of AIFM per day. I waited until 2 weeks after my last injection to start Clomid. I ran it for 100mg ed for 7 days and 50 mg ed for 3-4 weeks after. I've crashed a little but nothing too bad I couldnt handle. Lost maybe 5-8 lbs. of which most was water I'm sure. Try this PCT it may work for you. Either way, if you are coming off, you better do something for PCT or else your gonna crash hard and then you'll really have isuues more than you do now.

good luck and just quit bitching and EAT!! :)
 
You're feeling beat-up and getting weaker because you need a deload.

As for the rest, I'm at a loss to express the dismay I'm feeling. Unless you have some professional reason to be holding the look of a victim of prison camp internment you need to stop thinking that you look good. On a small guy, that definition you're calling 'cuts' is usually called 'skinniness'. On someone with an appreciable amount of muscle, they're called 'cuts' and you don't make the grade at this stage.

Just as there's the expression "you can't flex bone" there's a general acceptance that you need to grow your muscles before you start to chisel them. Trying to chisel an emaciated, shrivelled excuse for a muscle is not productive.
 
I have clomid and nolv on hand....1 bottle of hcg...what is the typical quanity in a bottle....prob. not nearly enough.....
 
it should be 5000iu's which is just right. 10 days of 500iu's per day.
 
HCG is usually provided as a powder in a vial along with another vial of solvent. It should tell you how many IUs of HCG it contains.

Gettinripped offers a good protocol. Some prefer to go 1000IU EOD rather than 500 ED but it's much of a muchness.
 
solidspine said:
How much protein is that?


None of my business but are you single, living alone,


Reason I ask such an off the wall question, is that I have been married for 3 years almost to the day.

My diet prior to marriage, was great, protein, protein, protein, no snacks, ate clean 24/7, and did not miss anything.


Now with my wife, the house is full of all sorts of things I would never eat before, and at night, late, I break down and eat a bunch of junk.


It is killing me.
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entertain us.............
 
JKurz1 said:
I mean seriously,,,,,,how freakin bad is a footlong or 3 from subway…..geezes
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It's really not that bad.....If you were to stand on stage tomorrow, it isn't a bright idea.....but say a footlong turkey and roast beef, double meat, on whole grain bread with lettuce, tomato, and mustard, it's not bad at all. Throw in some baked lays and a bowl of soup for good measure.
 
make that a double meat steak and cheese with extra everything!!
 
"Smith" Military Press
x12
x10
x8
x6 x8 x10


Upright Rows or dbell press depending on delt feel
x10
x8
x6
x4 x 6

rear laterl raise
x10
x10
x8
x6 x15

lateral Raises
x12
x10
x10
x8 x12

Reverse Shrugs
12
12
12
 
JKurz1 said:
I mean seriously,,,,,,how freakin bad is a footlong or 3 from subway…..geezes
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subway is not a cheat meal LOL. At least for me. SHit I would order a whole large pizza, garlic bread, eat all of it up. YOu will feel like shit afterwards and work even harder to get another cheat meal the next week. At least thats how it works for me.
 
my shoulder is fucking KILLLLING me....so there is no way in hell I will be cheating anytime soon when all I can do is high reps......I can do 1 pushup and I feel like a sword is going through my delt. It's in the back. I can do oh press but not rear delts.....how long do you think it'll take to heal........?

Also, my question is, what do you guys typically train the day before deads. Else, what I guess is, aside from back exercises, what do you stay away from? Bis? Low back movements?
 
JKurz1 said:
my shoulder is fucking KILLLLING me....so there is no way in hell I will be cheating anytime soon when all I can do is high reps......I can do 1 pushup and I feel like a sword is going through my delt. It's in the back. I can do oh press but not rear delts.....how long do you think it'll take to heal........?

Also, my question is, what do you guys typically train the day before deads. Else, what I guess is, aside from back exercises, what do you stay away from? Bis? Low back movements?
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quads, maybe even calves.

having said that, i always have at least a day or two of rest before deadlifting anyway.
 
JKurz1 said:
my shoulder is fucking KILLLLING me....so there is no way in hell I will be cheating anytime soon when all I can do is high reps......I can do 1 pushup and I feel like a sword is going through my delt. It's in the back. I can do oh press but not rear delts.....how long do you think it'll take to heal........?

Also, my question is, what do you guys typically train the day before deads. Else, what I guess is, aside from back exercises, what do you stay away from? Bis? Low back movements?
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I take sunday off which is my day before deads. Heres my spilt mon thru sat
back
chest
off
legs
shoulders
arms
off
 
My weight is going through the floor...not sure why, except for the above ":cardio" which I doubt but more because of a lack of appetite, eating 1/2 meals, etc...162 today.....down 8 lbs.

My energy levels which were high at the beginning are now very very low....I am severly depressed because of my shoulder. But now, I;m thinking it's more of a pulled muscle in my back. Help me diagnose.......it hurts like a friggn bitch to extend my arm all the way forward like a front raise or to do a bent over reverse fly.....chest flys? forget it. If you take your left hand and put it over your right shoulder then extened your middle finger as far down you back as possible, like right shoulder blade rear delt area, what is this? I can still deadlift, I can still to 2 handed seateded rows or tbar rows, but a one arm dbell row with that arm, forget it....any ideas?


Also, since I have gone 5x5 for the past few weeks and I nailed 325 last week, I want to alternate as I have heard that is the key...to keep shocking the body, stmulate growth and I need to eat.....so I did five of five last week ending with 280x5 than 325x1......if I do 4-5 sets today of 6-8, how do I determine the correct poundage? is this a great decision?
 
My advice would be to stick with that rep range Jkurz, till you quit hitting PR's every week. Then, only after you fail would I mess with rep ranges. I think just lifting heavier each week is enough 'shock' for the body. Good job on the 325, that's my goal on DL for next week.
 
I have been skimming through this thread, it is rather large so i didn't catch every post but I can see that your ultimate goal is to put on some muscle without adding any fat and feeling healthy and strong once again.

I have been where you are at one point when I was trying to lean out for the first time in my life (naturally estrogenic and endomorphic). To make a long story short bro you are battling with your mind which keeps telling you to eat less and train more. If I were you I would do cardio in the am (empty stomach) 2x per week, 40 mins at about 150 bpm (heartrate). Then add in 3 20 min sessions after training. Don't train more than 5 days per week. If you are not "on" bro you are simply driving down test levels and jacking cortisol.....seriously which is a negative downward spiral.

When you overtrain, test drops, gains slow, depression sets in, cortisol increases, muscles flatten out, metabolism slow, lower back and ab fat increases, and overall you feel like a "fat-skinny" kid.

If you are a low carb person, just start out by eating carbs around training time, pre and post and keep protein intake through the roof. There is no need to feel hungry when dieting, grab some chicken, turkey or tuna and go to town.

Trust me bro, you need to get your metabolism and natty test levels elevated by training hard, eating solid, and RESTING. Hit the gym for 45 minutes hard and get the hell out. Make yourself crave walking into the weightroom, not dread it. Remember when you first started training and you could not wait to hit the weights, that is how you'll feel if you take some more rest days and forget about training. Just keep on the diet and come back ready to train.

I was at an all time low in body weight, test levels, emotional swings etc. i was lean but very "thin", like an underwear model type look. It took a while of gradually increasing calories and rest periods. Now, I year later I am 30 lbs heavier at the same bf% and same waste size etc. I train less (but just as hard), eat more, and am much happier.

Any way, I only read the first 4 pages of this thread but I can feel where your coming from bro. Just think how lucky you are to be lean and afraid to be fat than obese wishing you could be skinny.
 
mikefear said:
i've never had a 'cheat meal' :(
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Your much better off bro. Cheat meals are simply that cheating, not helping to assist gains..... Now a higher calorie meal or day is great. Keep eating clean just increase your portion size. Cheat meals mess with your mind, as water levels and rise and drop making tracking progress difficult. Plus most tend to oncrease the frequency of their cheat meals as times goes by which makes eating clean bb'ing food grueling.
 
Jeff.....I wish the term "shock" your muscles was never created. The stupidity behind it is mind-numbing.

The key, so to speak, is simple progression. Change is done out of necessity to get through a roadblock, if there is no roadblock, why take the detour??

If you're training for a marathon and all is going well and you're gradually building mileage, do you suddenly "shock" your body and quit what you're doing to do something you're unconditioned for to 'mix things up'?? of course not......that' as idiotic as making progress every single week on the deadlift and suddenly changing things........your weightroom stuff is fine, you're progressing.....as for the scale, if you don't eat it won't move.

As for the shoulder......have you done anything to aggrevate it? If you haven't done anything to make it worse, and it still isn't getting any better, go see a doc to rule anything serious out......more than likely they'll give you a script for Ibuprofen and tell you to 'be careful' , lol, so long as your range of motion is there.
 
i KNOW FOR A COMPLETE FACT i AM STALLED OUT ON DEADS at my current weight. Last week I was 8 lbs heavier and after the 3rd rep of 280, I barely barely got the last two...to try and go to 285 is setting myself up for failure and I am not MIND fucking......I feel drained and down....I want to come back next week and kill 285 x5 and then 330x1......maybe I can get 330x1 today if i bust my ass, but the sets before completely drag my ass down....esp. on my diet this week.....feel me?
 
Now I understand......change out of necessity is good, I thought you just wanted to do something different for the sake of doing something different.
 
i read last night some dude who did have an incred. back, did 10 sets of deads and that's it...he sayd make sure 5 of them are between 4-6 range....

give me a good protocol for today noting last week
210x10
235x5
255x5
265x5
280x5
305x3
325x1



215x10
245 x 8
255 x 6
265 x 6
315x3
330x1?


shopuld i drop the x10 as it tires the shit out of me, or do I need it? would 225x8 be a better lift?
 
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5 sets of deads in the 4-6 range is the '5x5' for all intents and purposes.

I see no need to burn yourself out on warm-up sets. I prefer to warm up leaving lots in the tank, get my workload in with the heavy sets.

Maybe something like this:

135x6, 185x6, 225x6, 275x3, 295x3, 315x3, 330x1, 265x8-10
 
IF i NAIL THIS WHICH LOOKS ROUGH, you gotta keep giving me updates weekly.....Ill post what happenes....
135x6, 185x6, 225x6, 275x3, 295x3, 315x3, 330x1, 265x8

damn I hope my body holds up............
 
JKurz1 said:
IF i NAIL THIS WHICH LOOKS ROUGH, you gotta keep giving me updates weekly.....Ill post what happenes....
135x6, 185x6, 225x6, 275x3, 295x3, 315x3, 330x1, 265x8

damn I hope my body holds up............
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After all of that I don't think you need to pyramid back down to 265. If you do rep out with 225 and try to get 20 its fun
 
Neo22 said:
After all of that I don't think you need to pyramid back down to 265. If you do rep out with 225 and try to get 20 its fun
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i failed.....295x3 like butter......315x1 and ummff....my fucking delt pain went through the roof and my grip slipped.....so instead of getting 3 i got a single.....then 330...hell if I am using 2 1/2s.....335....up, pull, struggle pull struggle, straighten......lock. Where the hell is that read where I have like 270x1 or 280x1 in bold huge letters? lol....
 
not too bad for a 154lb'r who is frail, malnutrioned, diseased..weak...cardio 7x a week....gym 14z a week.....dork.
 
no love? last test inj wednesdy....what can I take to keep my test levels up so I can keep eating? igf? clen? I got a pinched nerve in my rhomboid region miserable!
 
this is not a pitty post.....I just need to release...dont you fucking dare feel sorry for me......

I must have been a child molestor in my previous life. I had a fing wonderful childhood....two great parents.....money......friends.....looks.....athletic ablity. and I wouldnt just say that if i wasnt told it a hundred times. Boy, you coulda been a model...or man, you could go D.1.......I then had a great college life....chicks, booze.....strength.....

but something happened. i dont know what, but not a day goes by where i am not in pain. where i am not obsessing about when to train, what to eat, when to eat....the gi of this ....the carb content complex/simple......why wont you eat fruit or whole wheat pasta jeff? ummm....you guys would NOT understand.....now i got the pinched nerve...thank god it's not my cuff or shoulder.....i cant do any chest movement or movement on my back....i can dead, front squat, preacher curl, bench dip, triangle tri press, almost barbell row. but anything overmy head, forget it...not even the bar. so am i screwed? I can still beat this thing doing those movements right? fuck eating......can I still grow on those movements?
 
Movements don't make you grow, brother.....they provide the stimulus, but if you won't eat enough, you won't grow.....to answer your question, all of the stuff you mentioned, when trained progressively and with a plan/purpose can provide the stimulus to grow.

You suffered an injury.....so what? Make the most of it, train around it, and come back from it.

If anybody needs a midnight trip to Taco Bell in a little bit, it's you, bro.
 
JKurz1 said:
this is not a pitty post.....I just need to release...dont you fucking dare feel sorry for me......

I must have been a child molestor in my previous life. I had a fing wonderful childhood....two great parents.....money......friends.....looks.....athletic ablity. and I wouldnt just say that if i wasnt told it a hundred times. Boy, you coulda been a model...or man, you could go D.1.......I then had a great college life....chicks, booze.....strength.....

but something happened. i dont know what, but not a day goes by where i am not in pain. where i am not obsessing about when to train, what to eat, when to eat....the gi of this ....the carb content complex/simple......why wont you eat fruit or whole wheat pasta jeff? ummm....you guys would NOT understand.....now i got the pinched nerve...thank god it's not my cuff or shoulder.....i cant do any chest movement or movement on my back....i can dead, front squat, preacher curl, bench dip, triangle tri press, almost barbell row. but anything overmy head, forget it...not even the bar. so am i screwed? I can still beat this thing doing those movements right? fuck eating......can I still grow on those movements?
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Don't feel sorry for you? All you want is attention. Look at this fucking thread. The only reason people look at it is to see what you are going to whine about today. All you do is look for excuses. Eating disorder, injury, disease, etc. Suck it up and quit your pity party. :mad:
 
blut wump said:
Did someone mention deload earlier? There are two ways to learn about deloading. They're both effective but one takes longer than the other.

The first is to do it and experience how it works. Your energy levels climb back up, the aches and pains go away and you start to feel strong and vital again.

The second is to ignore the need to deload. You pop an injury, spend some time complaining about it and how unlucky it was and how nobody could have forseen it and it's just one of those gym things. You take a month or more out from some of your lifts and, eventually, the aches and pains go away and you start to feel strong and vital again.

Over the years, I've come to prefer the former option even though the latter is occasionally too tempting to resist.

It all comes down to personal preference in the end and I see that you're leaning towards the injury option.
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It'll pass; it's just an injury. Take this as an opportunity to pile on some pounds.
 
Hey boz, fuck yourself...........

bigt and blunt....can you help me devise a solid training schedule that will yield some mass....I'm done with themirror shit...Im keeping the cardio for sanity and eating like never before. Is it a phase, probably, but when you kick me in the ass, then I'll keep going....up in weight..........let's roll

I can:
preacher curl
bench dip
front squat
dead
possible smith delt press
possibly smith bench


can't

fly movemnts
str8 bar curls
close grip bench
front raise


i wish i could diagnose this bitch....is it a muscle strain? Fine it'll pass....is it a tendon? fine itll pass....is it more serious? How do I know if it's more serious. you guys have had em.....if I can raise it in all directions, side and front are painful but can do it, it can't be torn, right? I'd know if it was I hope........lemme know yor thoughts.....legs today:

front squats
hack squats
leg press
light gms
ext and calves


tomorrow
suppose to be chest but i gotta switch to hammys
 
Jeff, I've been banged up a million times over the years. Obviously whatever I tell you cannot take the place of sound medical advice, but for what it's worth, if there isn't any swelling and I have my range of motion (painful or not), I don't panic. I'd stay AWAY from anything that aggrevated it and train progressively with whatever I can......over time it'll keep getting better and at some point return to the things you couldn't do and rebuild them progressively.

For today, I'd scrap hack squats......train the fronts 5x5 and add weight each set.....then leg press 4 sets of 8-10 or so, then finish with extensions and calves.....if tomorrow is 'hams' then don't do GMs today
 
thats enough of a workout bro? I just feel like I need MORE...you know me....how long can I go without benching or chest and still get massive...I want you to reassure me this in no way will set me bnack. I'll fighjt through it, i'll cheat, Ill eat whatever the fuck you tell me....I need this help bro....diet is one thing, but pain in the gym like no one's business sucks. For example, turning my alarm clock off felt like someone just shot me with a shot gun.....i have fll rain, but it jst kills and feels like its dislocated...just a feeling of course and mymasseus says it in the rhombus region, bt the pain shoots everywhere....
 
You have a masseus??

LOL !!!!

Anyway, I thought that you'd beat this thing by now.
But yes , you need to put down some food to see gains in the mirror

As far as the pain , just suck it up. You're feeling sorry for yourself. Snap out of it and get intense.

JKurz1 said:
thats enough of a workout bro? I just feel like I need MORE...you know me....how long can I go without benching or chest and still get massive...I want you to reassure me this in no way will set me bnack. I'll fighjt through it, i'll cheat, Ill eat whatever the fuck you tell me....I need this help bro....diet is one thing, but pain in the gym like no one's business sucks. For example, turning my alarm clock off felt like someone just shot me with a shot gun.....i have fll rain, but it jst kills and feels like its dislocated...just a feeling of course and mymasseus says it in the rhombus region, bt the pain shoots everywhere....
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JKurz1 said:
thats enough of a workout bro? I just feel like I need MORE...you know me....how long can I go without benching or chest and still get massive...I want you to reassure me this in no way will set me bnack. I'll fighjt through it, i'll cheat, Ill eat whatever the fuck you tell me....I need this help bro....diet is one thing, but pain in the gym like no one's business sucks. For example, turning my alarm clock off felt like someone just shot me with a shot gun.....i have fll rain, but it jst kills and feels like its dislocated...just a feeling of course and mymasseus says it in the rhombus region, bt the pain shoots everywhere....
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More isn't better, better is better. What you can do is this....actually, do me a favor, lol, and lay to rest the concept of training "quads" and "hams". I wish separate days for quads and hams would go to the burial ground with other 80's BB garbage like Zubazz, bandanas, "3 on, 1 off", and the fanny pack, lol....... If you squat and leg press with a full range of motion, there is no way around activating your hamstrings......today is Sun, on Wed squat again and do deadlifts.

Front Squat (several warm-ups, then 5x5 at the same weight, then 1x8-12)

Good Morning (4x8, add weight each set)

Leg Press (4x10)

Calf Raises (whatever you like)

You can do 2 sets each of extensions/curls, and although it is harmless enough, I am telling you it is totally unecessary.

Again, you got hurt.....big deal....we all get hurt, if you didn't ever get a slight injury, then you're not training hard enough. This is in NO way a setback, the only thing that could pose a setback is mishandling it. Don't worry about it.

Also, ask the masseuse if she'll give you a happy ending, you need one bad, man......then go out for a nice meal and get ready for a good week of lifting.
 
I just got this message bro and Iwas planning on hitting hammys today. I tried to do a set of light cable crosses this am and I could do it lightly, but no way I can lay and bench. Shoulder press is out of the equation to. I did 2 sets of front yesterday and was in discomfort so I did back squats 5 sets of 5 and then set of 20 with 140lbs. I am just so weak in the legs from constant abuse. It was hell though.

I then did a few hacks, a few leg presses and some extentions and calves.

I was hoping to do str8 legs today and then conv on friday. I was also thinking tomorrow I should do some back cable rows heavy and any other pull motion, maybe some str8 rows.....what else should I do today? Can I do ham curls seated and standin along with deads and good mornings? Maybe some smith lunges or quats feet far far out instead of close?
 
JKurz1 said:
this is not a pitty post.....I just need to release...dont you fucking dare feel sorry for me......

I must have been a child molestor in my previous life. I had a fing wonderful childhood....two great parents.....money......friends.....looks.....athletic ablity. and I wouldnt just say that if i wasnt told it a hundred times. Boy, you coulda been a model...or man, you could go D.1.......I then had a great college life....chicks, booze.....strength.....

but something happened. i dont know what, but not a day goes by where i am not in pain. where i am not obsessing about when to train, what to eat, when to eat....the gi of this ....the carb content complex/simple......why wont you eat fruit or whole wheat pasta jeff? ummm....you guys would NOT understand.....now i got the pinched nerve...thank god it's not my cuff or shoulder.....i cant do any chest movement or movement on my back....i can dead, front squat, preacher curl, bench dip, triangle tri press, almost barbell row. but anything overmy head, forget it...not even the bar. so am i screwed? I can still beat this thing doing those movements right? fuck eating......can I still grow on those movements?
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You have got to be kidding me right? Their called therapists kid go get one FAST! Additionally, your in the wrong forum.
 
intensity....tell me I wont grow!!


STR8 LEG DEADS 1 WARM X 12, 10,10,8,8, BACK OFF 12
FROG HACK SQUAT 12,10,10,8,8
SEATED LEG CURL 12,10,10
LYING LEG CURL 10,8,8,10
GOOD MORNINGS 3 SETS OF 10
ABDUCTOR X 2 ADDUCTOR X 2
HYPEREXTENTION WITH 45LB PLATE X 15X3
 
JKurz1 said:
intensity....tell me I wont grow!!


STR8 LEG DEADS 1 WARM X 12, 10,10,8,8, BACK OFF 12
FROG HACK SQUAT 12,10,10,8,8
SEATED LEG CURL 12,10,10
LYING LEG CURL 10,8,8,10
GOOD MORNINGS 3 SETS OF 10
ABDUCTOR X 2 ADDUCTOR X 2
HYPEREXTENTION WITH 45LB PLATE X 15X3
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Why are you doing goodmorning if you are doing stiff leg deads? Do one or the other. I would do the stiff legs and drop back to 1 set of hyperextentions. I dunno why you are doing a FROG hack squat. Try a hack squat with your feet right next to eachother. It will help with the teardrop effect.
 
HERES WHAT HE JUST SENT ME.........


6:30 MEAL 1
2 packets flavored oats
6 oz turkey
6 egg whites

900
8 flank
½ cup brown rice (measured dry)
¾ cup back beans

1130
6 oz tuna
8 oz yam
2 tbsp honey

130
2 scoop blend
1 apple

330
6 OZ CHICKEN
1 TBSP OLIVE OIL

TRAIN

630
2 servings white RICE
2 SCOOPS WHEY
POST SUPPS


800
4 oz all white meat turkey
1 cup pineapple


900
8 to 10 oz. lean red meat
 
lat raise
10
10
10

Barbell row: Outside shoulder width grip.. done standing on a 6" platform.. lowering past platform on every rep

warm-up: bare bar: 2 sets: 10 reps each

12
12
8
5 8

[v-bar] Low pulley Row:

10
10
8
6 6

Underhand grip Lat pulldowns:

10
10
8
5 5

preacher curl
10
8
6 6

Standing Barbell press
10
10
8
8
One-arm Dumbbell Preacher curl:

10
12

Standing Reverse Barbell curl:

4 sets: 45 lbs: 12 reps each set
 
No real updates....back session was intense. Delt still achin and throbbin. Gonna load up on advil and try to hit some very light shoulders, even lighter chest and tris. Arms 3x this week......good variation.

I just have been feeling like total piss. my face feels numb, eyes hurt to keepem open. I think I am so fucking overtrained its sick. I am def. feeding better, so calories arent the issue. It's the constant 2x a day abuse. Plus, I sleep in crazy spurts and at night feel like my stomach is going to burst.......1 hour, wake piss, 1 hour, wake starving, 1 hour...etc...........fuck, I jsut want to feel good damnit. I'd give a million bux to feel good. Is it the cardio? Seriously?
 
JKurz1 said:
No real updates....back session was intense. Delt still achin and throbbin. Gonna load up on advil and try to hit some very light shoulders, even lighter chest and tris. Arms 3x this week......good variation.

I just have been feeling like total piss. my face feels numb, eyes hurt to keepem open. I think I am so fucking overtrained its sick. I am def. feeding better, so calories arent the issue. It's the constant 2x a day abuse. Plus, I sleep in crazy spurts and at night feel like my stomach is going to burst.......1 hour, wake piss, 1 hour, wake starving, 1 hour...etc...........fuck, I jsut want to feel good damnit. I'd give a million bux to feel good. Is it the cardio? Seriously?
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dude why the hell are you doing arms 3 times a week?????
 
thursday - november 16th, 2006

Feel ok today.........stepped on the scale this am and I was a whopping 161lbs.....this is a total fiasco. I wish I could stop the am cardio and just do it post training or like on my off days (TODAY!)

My diet is getting smaller and smaller.....I am now taking in 1.5 cups of oats, 1 cup of brown rice, and about 75g of carbs pw.......that's it.

my protein is high, with a lb of chicken a day, 18 or so egg whites, some fish, cc,

oh well...I just am not into any more. If I knew I could feel better and get stronger eating more, I would. Just no appetite and I am def not starving (although I may look like it.) Delt pain is still high. Training shoulders yesterday pain free, but now it's pretty sore. I can do bnop, light seat laterals, front laterals, cable uprights, front raises and rear raises, so I get a nice routine in, but I can't bench 20lb dbell at the moment and I can't incline or use dbells for delts.....sucks and I just feel so blah and weak. I am going t use one full week (i'm coming off aas this weekend for a minimum of 6 weeks) to rest up, and hopefully power through in a new wimb next friday with heavy deads again. Take today off, maybe some light stretching, walking, and do some higher rep deads for back tomorrow to keep form and stay strong.

Prob. will do some abs and maybe a walk on the treadmill afterwork, but my carbs today are done I think. I usually have a nice big cup of rice at noon, but today I am going with the big ass chef salad from the cafe and 6oz chicken. No training.
 
barbell rows.over had 5 x 6
lat pull wide 3 x failure
lowcable rows 3 x 6 to 10
underhand pulldowns 3 x 8 to 12
rack deads 4 x 4 to 6

what do you think....either this or swap rack deads for conventional going 12, 8,8,6,6,4 then back to 5x5 and a max single next week.
 
btw- i'm 169 again....subway, extra oats and carbs, 2 myoplexes a day....stomach is in nots, cals are through the roof, I hate the feel right now, but i gotta bust through this.....i'm killing myself. Then I go and on my off day yesterday I do an am and pm very light walk cardio session for a total of 1hr.....i'm an idiot....no more of that shit....
 
JKurz1 said:
Not you NEO....but the others ahve helped me more than they'll ever know.....much thanks!
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well for that you can go drink some bleach which is about what you do everyday anyways holding the same weight. I tried to be as helpful as possible posting up my diet etc... But if you want to be a cumburping pickelchested cumhoover have at it bro. I was saying you need help that NO ONE ON HERE CAN GIVE.
 
New diet, 2nd day....much more carbs, feelin a tad better..still got the coldness inthe extremeties, face, etc.....is this from ot?
 
Ohhh and got 75lbs on incline press last night for a good 2.....lol...sucks, but last week i was in sheer pain from just using the bare bar......pushups are back...slight discomfort but nothing advil cant help
 
All you people don't have to post on this thread if you don't want to.

It's the bros log.

Leave it be, and get on with your life... don't worry about his.

Unless you're going to in an adult and responsible manner provide some type of assistance to a question.
 
Anybody who is pissed off at this thread and takes the time to post for the sole purpose of saying something along the lines of "close this thread already" is all but admitting that they read it daily, lol.

Honestly, no offense meant by this, but on an anabolic board filled with idiotic threads, I don't see how a guy's honest account of his ups and downs that he is logging with hope of self-improvement can cause nearly as much grief as a couple of 180lb guys debating the merits of 50mg D-bol a day VS 55mg with the goal to get up to a whopping 183lbs while keeping their nipples smooth, lol.

85% of the threads on here are either redundant, idiotic, or in most cases, both...this is one of the minority that may actually help somebody or open somebody's eyes...if you don't like the thread, don't post in it and better yet, don't read it. We live in a free country and it's an open forum.

Jeff, how have the workouts looked this week?? I'm going to see Wilkes-Rowan on Sat.
 
Where is the game brutha? I don't even pay attention to those posts...check either one of their histories, it's complete junk....anyways

Shoulder is getting much better....weight is coming in bunches....kinda scared cause test ends thursday, but I gotta wrap this up......Ulter wants me to try the dbol 10mg in the am pct protocol...I need to do a TON more research on it...at first I was 99% hell no....now I am bout 60 no and 40 yes....we'll see.....

I'll meet ya at the game possilby.......
 
Wilkes-Barre, PA.....Ralston Field....if you come, we're going to Subway, lol.

Ulter knows a lot more about that than I do, if it's something you think is right for you, I'd trust his input.
 
my treat???

I dont know if he's there anymore, but Coach Shep from Wilkes used to call me AT LEAST once every 3 days as a senior.....them and Mercyhurst.......
 
JKurz1 said:
my treat???

I dont know if he's there anymore, but Coach Shep from Wilkes used to call me AT LEAST once every 3 days as a senior.....them and Mercyhurst.......
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Yeah...Shep's still head coach. He won his well-deserved and long overdue MAC title this year.
 
BiggT said:
Anybody who is pissed off at this thread and takes the time to post for the sole purpose of saying something along the lines of "close this thread already" is all but admitting that they read it daily, lol.

Honestly, no offense meant by this, but on an anabolic board filled with idiotic threads, I don't see how a guy's honest account of his ups and downs that he is logging with hope of self-improvement can cause nearly as much grief as a couple of 180lb guys debating the merits of 50mg D-bol a day VS 55mg with the goal to get up to a whopping 183lbs while keeping their nipples smooth, lol.

85% of the threads on here are either redundant, idiotic, or in most cases, both...this is one of the minority that may actually help somebody or open somebody's eyes...if you don't like the thread, don't post in it and better yet, don't read it. We live in a free country and it's an open forum.

Jeff, how have the workouts looked this week?? I'm going to see Wilkes-Rowan on Sat.
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that is the quote of the year. I find this thread interesting almost soap opera'ish. i think jk is battling it out and is gonna beat this thing. keep it up!!
 
Yeah....I'm just so familiar with the mid-atlantic conference that I forget how ridiculous it sounds to people outside of the region.
 
JKurz1 said:
MAC is Akron, Miami, OU, in my book....lol.....
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It is in most people's books, lol

Mid Atlantic is tough for a team to come out of, I still always will think the OAC is toughest from top to bottom, the top 3 , maybe 4 teams from there could probably win any conference in D 3.
 
jk, i hope you plan on eating some big time food today. eat the turkey, eat the sweet potatoes, eat the pumpkin pie, eat it all brutha!! Happy ThanksGiving to everyone in this thread!!
 
Last inj today of 125cyp today......last eq will be saturday at 100mg....pct to begin 1 week from saturday with hcg, nolv and dbol, clen....I will let you know how it goes....


turkey day for me today was rather light.....turkey, egg fritatta, roughy, salad, cottage cheese, and jello........saturday is our big meal.........
 
Whelp...it's not gettn fat that sucks......cause then I'll be strong again, but its the middle of the road, lower skin fat that sucks.....still have a decent 4 ab outline in the morning which is depressing...either get a layer or fat or cut to 3%...the middle of the road size sucks.
 
thanks bro.......one thing Ive noticed also, changes were made to my diet last week and I'm chewing 10x less gum....no time. I am literally eating one meal after the next.....also, less oats......more yams, rice etc

Bloat is there but I think it's lower back pain too......bad. And after I train in the evening, thats when I feel like death........my hands turn blue at night, my legs get tinglyy.....is it the stress from training? Then my stomach problems kick in big time.......I honeslty feel like I have cancer or aids...something just isnt right.......anyone go throiugh vicodine w/d? How long does it last? Symptoms?
 
JKurz1 said:
Last inj today of 125cyp today......last eq will be saturday at 100mg....pct to begin 1 week from saturday with hcg, nolv and dbol, clen....I will let you know how it goes....


turkey day for me today was rather light.....turkey, egg fritatta, roughy, salad, cottage cheese, and jello........saturday is our big meal.........
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Ummmm you cannot do PCT with Dbol brother. Also, I have to say, this is by far the longest lasting thread I have EVER seen since...shit the day I joined! One other thing. Go to the fuckin doctor dude! It sounds like you have some vascular and/or neroulogical problems going on here. I cannot remember and I do not have time to go allll the way back and read but were you ill before? If so...don't mess around. This shit is not candy. kinda worries me you having so many issues both physiologically and physchologically and you are running gear that can radically alter your mood health and thought process if you are not stable. Not digging here just some things I have noticed as I read this post and people do not seem to notice. Sorry if I intrude.


Quadsweep
 
It is good to see you did read and respond. You are a Mod and your advice is trusted and respected.

It is always good to respond in a concerned manner if something doesn't seem to make sense. Not only for the person whose thread it is, but for others looking for guidance.

Thanks,
 
from august until now I have made gigantic strides and I owe it to a few solid bros....bigt silver tmatt ulter just to name a few have stuck by me. granted I am farrr from recovering but I am 10x better. I still feel like I'm dying and tody may have been the wake up call. I was close to driving to the hospital after I am cardio. honestly felt like it was over. but instead I relaxed and have eaten nonstop all day......and I'm stuffed yet hungry still. my am cardio is over. I may stroll on the treadmill for rhe next few days but more than likely I'm done. when I hit 190 i'll reconsider. how fast can I get shredded again if I get up to 15 %?
 
Jeff, I hope all is well......with your knowledge of dieting and you will-power, you can get shredded in no time, I have no doubts about that.

Get yourself healthy....it's time to build some muscle.

And, yes, you've made huge strides, you have a lot to be proud of.
 
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