My First Stick, by Wayneboard1

[wayneboard1]

AHHH, love the feeling of EQ. Dude, start taking some caffiene(if you don't already) before you workout. Not only will it stimulate but if you feel you are starting to eat too much it will curb some cravings. Another thing, make clean and healthy foods easily assessible all day long to eliminate any possible cheating.

Yeah I do too much caffine probably. I get a 4-5 shot espresso drink each morning with some sugar free carmel flavoring to get me going, and sometimes a sugar free red bull halfway thru the day and I can STILL take a long nap. LOL I think it's more habit than help anymore. I cleaned out my fridge weeks ago of the few remaining cheat items and have tried to have fruit be my dessert. SO far it is ok, but not near as tasty as some other items. I am going to go have some protein and mix some of that semenex into it. You guys ever tried that crap? LOL I thought it was a joke until I tried it. WOW what a good response.

 

[chefbone]

Yeah I do too much caffine probably. I get a 4-5 shot espresso drink each morning with some sugar free carmel flavoring to get me going, and sometimes a sugar free red bull halfway thru the day and I can STILL take a long nap. LOL I think it's more habit than help anymore. I cleaned out my fridge weeks ago of the few remaining cheat items and have tried to have fruit be my dessert. SO far it is ok, but not near as tasty as some other items. I am going to go have some protein and mix some of that semenex into it. You guys ever tried that crap? LOL I thought it was a joke until I tried it. WOW what a good response.

SEMENEX...hahaha...supposedly it makes your man milk taste sweet. You must have big plans with the ol' lady tonight!! It has a ton of aminos in it.
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT, Broham!!!

 

[silverbackn]

I think an off day is very important mentally. I know that after a leg day my workout the next day will be kind of sluggish because I will be systemically fatigued. A day off give your mind a little time to work up some excitement for the gym again, you just can't wait to tear it up. Feelling rested is so much a mental thing.

 

[JKurz1]

I think an off day is very important mentally. I know that after a leg day my workout the next day will be kind of sluggish because I will be systemically fatigued. A day off give your mind a little time to work up some excitement for the gym again, you just can't wait to tear it up. Feelling rested is so much a mental thing.

same diet? Thats my prob.....

 

[silverbackn]

Jkurz, are you saying that you are in the same rut because your diet has become routine. Take a break, it will be beneficial mentally and physically. Unless you are doing a show or peaking for something there is no reason to be too regimented. Break up the monotony, get your metabolism stoked up again. It will revitalize your mind and recharge your body!

 

[wayneboard1]

I think a flaw in my system is I am so worried about getting any fat build up on this cycle that I may be too regimented. I am just getting good fat, and maybe not enough. I am trying to take chefbone(er)s advice and take my measl with me to ensure I eat better but who knows, my job is an odd one and changes from one minute to the next. I always function better on a set M-F 9-5 kinda thing. Much easier and beneficial to me and my body. Oh well, ADAPT ADAPT ADAPT.

 

[silverbackn]

You will find what works for you, that's part of the fun. We are all different. Unfortunately, our lives are sometimes throwing us curveballs. Just gotta go with the flow and do your best. Worrying about it is the worst thing you could do.

 

[wayneboard1]

Must Spread Karma around before giving it to Silverbackn again. CRAP. Sorry bro but as always THANKS!

 

[silverbackn]

No prob Wizy, glad to help a brother out!

 

[ruggermu]

Yeah schedules can make a serious diff. During the school year I'm a college student, but summer I have to work full time. I seem to have a lot more success in the school year when I can eat and train at will instead of like this slave to the schedule crap!

 

[RADAR]

Good! Post! I loved the part of being by the phone to call 911


LMAO!

RADAR

 

[wayneboard1]

Good! Post! I loved the part of being by the phone to call 911


LMAO!

RADAR

WIth my luck, you just never know sometimes. lol

 

[silverbackn]

It can definitely feel like that when the ole' anxiety kicks in!

 

[wayneboard1]

It can definitely feel like that when the ole' anxiety kicks in!

Funny thing but I had to take another shower after that stick because my shirt and boxers were soaked. I was amped yes but I didn't realize I was that intense.

 

[silverbackn]

Now that is funny!

 

[wayneboard1]

Well I don't know what happened but I weighed myself this morning and I was 2lbs lighter. ?????? What on earth? It had better be water.

 

[chefbone]

Well I don't know what happened but I weighed myself this morning and I was 2lbs lighter. ?????? What on earth? It had better be water.

I must've been that load you shot after taking the semenex!!!!

 

[JKurz1]

You said you were scared to get fat, did you cut your cals???? THis is the number one biggest mistake.....not cranking the cals when on, and then keeping them higher when off........as you grow, you require MORE cals.........

 

[wayneboard1]

You said you were scared to get fat, did you cut your cals???? THis is the number one biggest mistake.....not cranking the cals when on, and then keeping them higher when off........as you grow, you require MORE cals.........

I did not cut my cals, because I have read/heard your body reacts the same way with water, less water you feel bloated and hold on to it, much like food. If the body is starving it holds on to everything and muscle won't grow. Right? Regardless of that have not cut cals. I feel like a fat bloated slob today even after losing 2 lbs. Took liquidex today, have already had 3/4ths of a gallon and it's only 1:30, and have had 4 meals already today. I seriously feel gross. lol What the hell is going on. I am veru unproductive at work today and while I am not tired, I just want to feel less gross. Someone hold me.

 

[krishna]

I did not cut my cals, because I have read/heard your body reacts the same way with water, less water you feel bloated and hold on to it, much like food. If the body is starving it holds on to everything and muscle won't grow. Right? Regardless of that have not cut cals. I feel like a fat bloated slob today even after losing 2 lbs. Took liquidex today, have already had 3/4ths of a gallon and it's only 1:30, and have had 4 meals already today. I seriously feel gross. lol What the hell is going on. I am veru unproductive at work today and while I am not tired, I just want to feel less gross. Someone hold me.

How much cardio are you doing? I wish I would of done more on my first cycle because I felt like a fat bloated slob! It worked though - put on some serious muscle because I'm down to 9% bf and up 18 lbs of lean muscle. Started at 10%, and ended at about 16-17% bf. Bulking is way funner than cutting which I'm doing right now. The only difference is you look way better cutting

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

I did not cut my cals, because I have read/heard your body reacts the same way with water, less water you feel bloated and hold on to it, much like food. If the body is starving it holds on to everything and muscle won't grow. Right? Regardless of that have not cut cals. I feel like a fat bloated slob today even after losing 2 lbs. Took liquidex today, have already had 3/4ths of a gallon and it's only 1:30, and have had 4 meals already today. I seriously feel gross. lol What the hell is going on. I am veru unproductive at work today and while I am not tired, I just want to feel less gross. Someone hold me.

I feel like I am getting fat too, but it could be the body (and the mind) is not used to carrying the extra weight. the body will use the calories. I agree, no use cutting calories while on. Eat clean as you can and cut later.

Eating constantly can be a chore. I am lethargic, takes lots of naps and I take about 3 bowl filling shits a day.


Bluesman

 

[wayneboard1]

I feel like I am getting fat too, but it could be the body (and the mind) is not used to carrying the extra weight. the body will use the calories. I agree, no use cutting calories while on. Eat clean as you can and cut later.

Eating constantly can be a chore. I am lethargic, takes lots of naps and I take about 3 bowl filling shits a day.


Bluesman

LMAO? Just 3? I poop that much before lunch! You and I are in the same spot man, I hate it and yet love it too.

 

[wayneboard1]

How much cardio are you doing? I wish I would of done more on my first cycle because I felt like a fat bloated slob! It worked though - put on some serious muscle because I'm down to 9% bf and up 18 lbs of lean muscle. Started at 10%, and ended at about 16-17% bf. Bulking is way funner than cutting which I'm doing right now. The only difference is you look way better cutting

I am doing 3, 45 minute cardio sessions a week after some workouts other than legs. Maybe I should do more? I do have a VERY hard time always losing BF, thats why I want to be carefull and not gain it because I will have to lose it, and that SUCKS for me.

 

[wayneboard1]

OK, well as you all know (because I know you wait on baited breath for ol waynes next post) I was having some leg problems. However I went to the gym anyways today and did back and bi's. Very VERY good pump in my bis today and my lifting is up 10 in my bi's and about 10 in my back. I say it is up 10 because I can do it solid with one extra set at the end. I have added that extra set of each excercise if I feel like it and so far it seems to be ok, but only been doing that for about a week now.

I also just did my first delt stick. The shot was painless, but it felt wierd. It may be I am not used to it, and I went VERY slow to make sure I wasn't injecting to fast or anything, but it felt tight and kinda funny. I guess that is to be expected and the real test comes over the next 2 days as I see how sore or not sore it gets. At least I can walk normal with a sore delt. Other than that, nothing new, so far it's good.

 

[wayneboard1]

well I weighed myself again today, after this last weeks where I got up to 225 and then down to 222, but up from the start of 216. Overall ok gains starting my 5th week. However today I am 221 so I don't know what the deal is. It may just be water fluctuation, but I have not cut my cals and have in fact up'd them to where I eat 6 meals a day and take in 250-300 of protein a day, and drink at least 3/4ths of a gallon of water a day if not more. However, some great pumps at the gym and some good strength increases overall and some strong added sets. Did my first delt stick last night and it went ok. My shoulder is pretty sore today but I can work around that unlike my recent problomatic quad sticks. So, so far things are getting better and I feel good.

 

[chefbone]

When do you weigh yourself? I weigh myself Monday before bed and Friday in the morning. I keep a log of this. I feel there is less fluctuation and doing it at those controlled varibles yields a clearer picture of the future.


Like my new sig?

 

[wayneboard1]

uumm......excuse me but.....well.......WHERE DID MY NUTS GO??? Seriously, they are GONE. Just a big ol sac there with nothing to do but hang free, all alone. I have to admit, I knew they would shrink, I was told by quite a few guys they would, and I will be getting my HCG doses in a couple weeks (start of week 8) but still. Being told and actually feeling tiny little tidbits of what once was is another story. CRAP. I got kinda freaked out, but it's part of "the game so suck it up pansy!" as polfajefatoughguyu would say. My leg is better today as I forced myself to do some walking on the treadmill yesterday for 40 minutes or so. My shoudler hurt pretty bad yesterday but not only was it easier to work around that shoulder soreness, it's mostly gone today so thats good. I will be trying my first glute stick on tuesday so we'll see how that goes. Everyone says it's "butta" but thats what Iw as told about quads and delts and every other place. So for the record, NONE OF IT IS LIKE BUTTA, it hurts, but you just have to find what works for you, and then change it up when it doesn't work anymore. I am staying away from the scale until next Monday. I don't want to start focusing on a number and more on my body composition and how strong I am getting in the gym. I have gotten a few EQ pumps and I REALLY like them so far. the EQ may not be all there yet, but it has begun to show itself. I really did notice a big pump in my bicept workout this last week but my strength was up bigtime.

While I amnot focusing on how much weight I have gained, one thought did cross my mind I would appreciate any feedback on. IF I am close to my genetic limit, will that make it harder to gain after that, or is the issue with genetic limits not gaining it but keeping it after cycle? Just a thought. Thanks guys, I am off to take a nap.

 

[wayneboard1]

well my shoulder barely hurts today and the slight red discoloration is almost gone so my first delt stick was a good one. I slept abour 12 hours last night, I was just totally drained for some reason. I hate doing that because it throws my eating schedule off but sometimes I can sleep thru my alarm. Oh well, I just eat and eat until I go to the gym.

 

[JKurz1]

what has your diet been like?

 

[wayneboard1]

what has your diet been like?

It has been about 90% right on. However since I am bulking I have had a few more treats then I would normally. 6 meals a day 2 shakes one in the morning and 1 right after weights, and I do have a small amount of casin before bed with maybe some PB in it or something. I am getting tired of chicken though, so I may up the lean beef intake for the next few weeks. I am eating more spinch than ever before too as well as green leaf lettuce, I just hate iceberg anymore. My treats now a days are either a PB and honey sandwhich or maybe a bowl of cereal since I don't really have a cheat day. Other than that, I am doing ok.

 

[wayneboard1]

Well, I did my first glute stick on Tuesday morning and thre is a small bruise but very little pain so far. I don't expect it to get any worse since all my other shots that got sore did so within 24 hours. I am dealing witha good amount of stress in my lfie right now (started about 1 week ago) and it is not setting well with me. I do find my temper is pretty dang short where it usually is not an issue. I'm not blaming it on the test, just stating the current condition. I need a frigin vacation BAD but can't really take one now. My woman is pissing me off, work is pissing me off, and I am so dang busy I am zapped mentally by the time I go to the gym. I just have to muster it all up and get all that hate and anger out there. I have decided I won't leave the gym until I am to tired to be mad. I expect a 6 hour workout today. LOL I'm not weighing myself until this next monday as to not get distracted but I have gotten a few compliments from friends and coworkers this past week, specifically about my back. That is my strong point, I am shorter so thickness on my back seems to come easy and makes me look more like a tiny little adorable tank that will kill you with the slightest provication.

I have started to get some acne, and while there are not a ton of zits, there are a TON of blackheads on my nose, and the zits I get are GIGANTIC. I mean little volcanos of puss right in the middle of my forehead or right on the end of my nose making me look like "rudolph the zit nosed weightlifter". I have some retin a but it is not working as well as I remember it working last time I used it. SO I picked up some clearasil zit pads today hoping that can dry it out, as well as some tanning starting this week. My leg that was sore from that shot last week still is but less than it was. There is no rash or mass or anything so I think it was just a bad stick that will go away in time. OK, the-that the-thats all folks!

 

[wayneboard1]

good news on the acne front. I got some clearsil pads from walgreens and they really are doing the trick. Some dry patches of skin but those are easy to take care of as opposed to the zits I was getting. I have had a few GINORMUS zits show up my back but mostly in my lat area, and they go away after a few days. I am using the clearasil pads twice a day FYI. My workouts are good, and I feel much stronger on all my lifts. My schedule kept me from eating as good as I wanted this week, but I am kicking upo the cardio to 4-5 days a week after my workouts. I am getting some GREAT pumps from the EQ, and I really notice it in my bicept workouts more than any other muscle. I swear it almost hurts to bend my arm after a good workout they are so swole up. Thats a good problem to have in my opinion. I have also noticed my thighs are really getting bigger from the squats and other legwork i am doing. That nice little divit on the side and the head seperation on the front is REALLY showing itself. My woman caught me checking out my legs in the mirror the other day and just laughed. I told her to take a close look and she said they do look noticably larger and more cut. She then looked at me and asked me what I had changed to get these results. I just smiled and said "baby, it's called intensity". LOL YEAH!!!!

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

Glad to see you stuck with your cycle, bro. Keep working hard - glute shots are where it's at!


Bluesman

 

[wayneboard1]

man I am PISSED. I jsut got back from a HORRIBLE workout today. It was shoulders and I usually have a good shoulder workout but today.....man, the amount I lifted on my second set in military press, I could hardly lift today, I just had NO gas at all. I have had my usual meals today and plenty of cals and water and protein and I got a sticdk this morning so I don't know what the heck is going on but it sucked so bad I just quit lifting before I hurt myself and ran for 30 minutes and left. I hate those kind of days. I felt a little tired today but nothing out of the ordinary so I don't know, maybe thats my body saying 'not today wayne!". Oh well, sleep good tonight and hit it hard again on legs. I kidna like making myself pay for a crappy workout by obliterating myself on the next workout. I am twisted that way.

 

[JKurz1]

It's the cardio bro...it's draining you....leave it out ill you are finished, then cut....


DO NOT BURN THE CANDLE AT BOTH ENDS.....IT WON'T WORK!

 

[Phaded]

i hope this thread dies soon

 

[wayneboard1]

i hope this thread dies soon

I feel the same about you.

 

[wayneboard1]

It's the cardio bro...it's draining you....leave it out ill you are finished, then cut....


DO NOT BURN THE CANDLE AT BOTH ENDS.....IT WON'T WORK!

SO are you saying NO cardio at all or just cut back. Currently I do on average about 30 minutes 4 times a week. SOmetimes I run and other times I just walk fast at about 70% to just burn fat and sweat.

 

[Phaded]

why would you do cardio if you are trying to gain weight

 

[wayneboard1]

why would you do cardio if you are trying to gain weight

To prevent as much BF from hoping onto my waistline as possible. Please remember this IS my first cycle so while I got a ton of advice from the vets on here, I am still learning how my body will and is reacting to this change of pace and chemical alteration. It's a continual learning process for me. My body does not have a problem gaining muscle for the most part, thats the easier part for me. However my body LOVES to grab onto fat and hold onto it for dear life. Also, the cardio I am doing is not HIT except for one time a week. Mostly the cardio is to help with any bloat that may occur even with my adex regimine, and to also help with the amount of BF I put on. My diet is clean, and I know I am bulking so I will gain some bf, but I want to keep that in check. I do the cardio after my workout except for a 5 minute warmup. Maybe I do need to cut it down to only 2 days a week, like I said, LEARNING PROCESS.

 

[wayneboard1]

why would you do cardio if you are trying to gain weight

How much (if any) cardio would you suggest I do based on the info you have about my cycle, body type, etc?

 

[chefbone]

How much (if any) cardio would you suggest I do based on the info you have about my cycle, body type, etc?

3 days per week in the morning. 2-3 more times per week after workouts other then legs!! The day after leg training do no cardio!

 

[JKurz1]

I'd go 30 minutes 3x times a week, but lose the jogging..........you want your HR around 65% max.........incline walk...........Some will say 20 min. of HIIT (sprints) is better........not sure on this debate.

 

[wayneboard1]

3 days per week in the morning. 2-3 more times per week after workouts other then legs!! The day after leg training do no cardio!

You are right, I rest my legs for 48 hours after my leg workout which is why I do that on fridays usually and rest for the weekend cardio wise. How long would you suggest I run/walk for and at what intensity?

 

[chefbone]

You are right, I rest my legs for 48 hours after my leg workout which is why I do that on fridays usually and rest for the weekend cardio wise. How long would you suggest I run/walk for and at what intensity?

In the morning, 45 minutes at 65%. After lifting I'd say 75% for 25-35 minutes.
Do you have a heart monitor?

 

[wayneboard1]

In the morning, 45 minutes at 65%. After lifting I'd say 75% for 25-35 minutes.
Do you have a heart monitor?

Yes I have a monitor.

 

[chefbone]

Yes I have a monitor.

What kind of cardio do you prefer? And if you say step classes I shall take you off my "good bro" list.
lol

 

[wayneboard1]

What kind of cardio do you prefer? And if you say step classes I shall take you off my "good bro" list.
lol

Jazzercise. That or Classic Rock Kick Boxing because as you all know, I am "Hot Blooded".

Ideally I like Eliptical but a treadmill or a bike or whatever.

 

[JKurz1]

In the morning, 45 minutes at 65%. After lifting I'd say 75% for 25-35 minutes.
Do you have a heart monitor?

too much.........

30 min at 65 in am


15 min HIIT after training.............you are bulking bro........save it for when you cut

 

[chefbone]

Jazzercise. That or Classic Rock Kick Boxing because as you all know, I am "Hot Blooded".

Ideally I like Eliptical but a treadmill or a bike or whatever.

Yeah, I prefer elliptical as well. It generally takes a while for my heart rate to get up to 65% in the morning that is why I do 45 minutes. Good fuggin' sweats.

I like those row machines the best but the gym I go to doesn't have one.
I'm currently putting together a harness in which I can fastened down to my fathers diving board allowing me to "staionary swim". This is my afternoon project.

 

[wayneboard1]

Well, I worked out legs yesterday and chest and tris today and had a good workout both days, VERY solid. I noticed something when I looked at the 2 guys I was working out with and me. We did a warm up set, and then started at 12, 10, 8, and they were done. I really am trying to be careful lof overtraining, but I did 2 more sets and they were both very solid sets and I went up in weight. These guys just ran out of gas after the set of 8 on flat bench and when I say ran out of gas, they can't get that last rep up and they just call it quits. I just kept going. I did the same thing on incline bench and on the 2 tri excercises I did. Man it was great. I really felt good today, and I have noticed that when I have a really big protein/flax oil shake right before bed, my lifting is better. If I forget it and don't use as much protein as I normally would, I suffer. That was my bodies way of stressing the importance of protein!!! It may be mental but whatever it is, it is working. I love how I am able to blast a body part, and not be sore or barely sore the next few days. I obliteraed my legs on Sunday, did 2 extra sets of everything, and I went slower on all my reps and man, I could run 10 miles today. I also see that cutting back on the cardio seems to of made a difference already. Apparently I was doing to much cardio and using up energy on that as opposed to lifting. Well no more! Thanks again to those guys that reminded me that I am bulking and to cut back on the cardio. I frigin love gear.

 

[chefbone]

Well, I worked out legs yesterday and chest and tris today and had a good workout both days, VERY solid. I noticed something when I looked at the 2 guys I was working out with and me. We did a warm up set, and then started at 12, 10, 8, and they were done. I really am trying to be careful lof overtraining, but I did 2 more sets and they were both very solid sets and I went up in weight. These guys just ran out of gas after the set of 8 on flat bench and when I say ran out of gas, they can't get that last rep up and they just call it quits. I just kept going. I did the same thing on incline bench and on the 2 tri excercises I did. Man it was great. I really felt good today, and I have noticed that when I have a really big protein/flax oil shake right before bed, my lifting is better. If I forget it and don't use as much protein as I normally would, I suffer. That was my bodies way of stressing the importance of protein!!! It may be mental but whatever it is, it is working. I love how I am able to blast a body part, and not be sore or barely sore the next few days. I obliteraed my legs on Sunday, did 2 extra sets of everything, and I went slower on all my reps and man, I could run 10 miles today. I also see that cutting back on the cardio seems to of made a difference already. Apparently I was doing to much cardio and using up energy on that as opposed to lifting. Well no more! Thanks again to those guys that reminded me that I am bulking and to cut back on the cardio. I frigin love gear.

I always do cardio. But that is just me. When I bulk I don't fug around I eat my ass off. The last bulker though I was in a kitchen 13 hours a day so it was pretty easy. Cardio is not a bad thing if your bulking dude. Believe that!!! It's all about timing nutrients, glycogen control and clean eating.

 

[JKurz1]

I always do cardio. But that is just me. When I bulk I don't fug around I eat my ass off. The last bulker though I was in a kitchen 13 hours a day so it was pretty easy. Cardio is not a bad thing if your bulking dude. Believe that!!! It's all about timing nutrients, glycogen control and clean eating.

Cmon..what's a typical bulking diet day like for you Chef?

 

[wayneboard1]

Cmon..what's a typical bulking diet day like for you Chef?

well you may have a few advantages Chef. One that you are a chef I assume you work in a kitchen and can cook much better tasting healthy food to eat and two, you are a cook so you have the time to cook the meals I mentioned above. I am pretty dang busy and eating right is a bigtime chore for me and sometimes I cant eat how I would like. SO, I was maybe compensating for those times by doing cardio to keep the fat in check. Bad strategy I know.

 

[chefbone]

well you may have a few advantages Chef. One that you are a chef I assume you work in a kitchen and can cook much better tasting healthy food to eat and two, you are a cook so you have the time to cook the meals I mentioned above. I am pretty dang busy and eating right is a bigtime chore for me and sometimes I cant eat how I would like. SO, I was maybe compensating for those times by doing cardio to keep the fat in check. Bad strategy I know.

My last cycle I was working and to tell you the truth it's a huge advantage being in a kitchen during a bulking cycle. I can't tell you exactly how much I ate but I can assure you it was alot. But even then, I compensated for the over indulgence by doing cardio in the morning. This kept fat absorbtion at a low. The last cycle I kept 15-20 lbs lbm, and got strong as shit. If you feel you are not getting enough calories to do cardio in the morning and still have fuel for the fire at the gym, by all means don't do the cardio.

 

[wayneboard1]

My last cycle I was working and to tell you the truth it's a huge advantage being in a kitchen during a bulking cycle. I can't tell you exactly how much I ate but I can assure you it was alot. But even then, I compensated for the over indulgence by doing cardio in the morning. This kept fat absorbtion at a low. The last cycle I kept 15-20 lbs lbm, and got strong as shit. If you feel you are not getting enough calories to do cardio in the morning and still have fuel for the fire at the gym, by all means don't do the cardio.

Man if you have the time or desire to do so, you should post up some of your quick shakes or meals that the regular culinarily challengd guy can do. Maybe post them in the diet forum or muscle food forum, or PM them to me!!! I have been doing as you suggested and doing the chicken and rice thing to take to work, but man if I eat one more chicken breast....lol.....I really think I am gonna vomit. Even the smell is starting to get to me. I am going to switch to lean beef for awhile.

 

[wayneboard1]

I had a great workout today, back and bi day. Deads and bent over rows were spot on and both up about 25 very solid lbs. I did 2 extra sets of everything and felt very solid throughout the whole thing. I am really concentrating on slower controlled reps, especially on the way down and keeping my form spot on. I rewarded myself with some subway on the way home, I am STILL hungry. I weighed myself (before subway) and I am at 226, slmost 227 (up from 216 at the start) so not bad so far. I am 5 weeks in now and feeling good. I did almost have to kill someone at the gym today. There is this guy that thinks he frigin owns the place and he kept coming over and "working in" without asking me, and then he wouldn't put my weight back on when he was done. So after 2 of those I just stayed at the bar and he came over and said "excuse me I need this" and I said "nope, I'm using it and I have 2 more sets". He just looked at me and I think he was trying to decide if he wanted to be a smartass or be cool about it and I was fully ready to get old testament on him. Before he said anything I "explained" to him that if he is going to work in, the typical gym custom is to ask and then put that persons weights back on, or ask how many sets a person has left and wait, not just barge in like you are THE burger king or something. He looks at me and says "ok bro, thats cool, I'll wait". YOU'RE DAMM RIGHT YOU'LL WAIT I'M GROWING MUSCLE OVER HERE YOU LITTLE BONER. I am going to eat some more and take a frigin nap cuz being a badass AND growing muscle wears me the heck out!

 

[chefbone]

Man if you have the time or desire to do so, you should post up some of your quick shakes or meals that the regular culinarily challengd guy can do. Maybe post them in the diet forum or muscle food forum, or PM them to me!!! I have been doing as you suggested and doing the chicken and rice thing to take to work, but man if I eat one more chicken breast....lol.....I really think I am gonna vomit. Even the smell is starting to get to me. I am going to switch to lean beef for awhile.

Yo, Brohamski, try some turkey breast. Take that shit off the bone(or buy it boneless) cook it skin side down until it's done. Once it has cooled down, slice it into 4 oz. portions and pack two of them for your lunch. Even buy a whole pork-loin. That shit at my local grocery store is like(hold on, I'm running to the fridge to check the price..............I'm back) 1.99 a pound. That's cheap as fuck. If you buy the whole pork loin, simply cut it into 2-3 pound pieces and freeze it. Pull it out of the freezer the night before you want to cook it. As for the rice, for every cup and a half of cooked rice you have add one can of tuna. Throw a bag of frozen peas in there at the end of the cooking process. Or some 1/4 brussel sprouts.
Don't forget about some wholesale beef jerky. That packs a helluva protein punch. 3, 40z bags for 8 bucks. Each bag has like 50g of protein.

 

[wayneboard1]

Yo, Brohamski, try some turkey breast. Take that shit off the bone(or buy it boneless) cook it skin side down until it's done. Once it has cooled down, slice it into 4 oz. portions and pack two of them for your lunch. Even buy a whole pork-loin. That shit at my local grocery store is like(hold on, I'm running to the fridge to check the price..............I'm back) 1.99 a pound. That's cheap as fuck. If you buy the whole pork loin, simply cut it into 2-3 pound pieces and freeze it. Pull it out of the freezer the night before you want to cook it. As for the rice, for every cup and a half of cooked rice you have add one can of tuna. Throw a bag of frozen peas in there at the end of the cooking process. Or some 1/4 brussel sprouts.
Don't forget about some wholesale beef jerky. That packs a helluva protein punch. 3, 40z bags for 8 bucks. Each bag has like 50g of protein.

yeah beef jerkey is a great snack to get me thru but man it does a number on my breath after a cup of coffee. LOL Turkey is good but isn't pork a bit fatty? I mean I did just eat subway but still.

 

[chefbone]

yeah beef jerkey is a great snack to get me thru but man it does a number on my breath after a cup of coffee. LOL Turkey is good but isn't pork a bit fatty? I mean I did just eat subway but still.

Pork is very lean. It's ideal to trim the loin first of the fat. If not, it will melt into the meat

 

[wayneboard1]

Pork is very lean. It's ideal to trim the loin first of the fat. If not, it will melt into the meat

geesh, take all the fun out of bulking why don't cha! LOL OK, trim the fat.

 

[JKurz1]

You put down two footlongs?? Sbway rocks postworkout....I swear I gained a ton of lean mass in college knowing jack shit about nutrition and slamming subway after every workout.....just been too scared and anal to do it know, lol.......

I will when I'm on.....fuck, verything is fair game then!

 

[wayneboard1]

You put down two footlongs?? Sbway rocks postworkout....I swear I gained a ton of lean mass in college knowing jack shit about nutrition and slamming subway after every workout.....just been too scared and anal to do it know, lol.......

I will when I'm on.....fuck, verything is fair game then!

My bad there that was a typo, I only had 1 footlong and a protein shake and a V8. Oh yeah and 32 oz of water. I spread that over 2 hours but I am still full!!! lol

 

[wayneboard1]

OK...well feeling good today. I have had some good workouts since I scaled back my cardio and I really feel that was sapping alot of my energy. Yesterday was my midweek rest day and while I did work around the house, I feel good today and am eating eating eating. Today is shoulder day with some calves thrown in there but man it is HOT today. I am feeling pretty thick overall and the EQ is kicking in there is no doubt. My pumps are starting to get really good and stay with me for alittle while each evening. I was looking at the progress the other day by using a mirror to look into another mirror and see my back. I am seeing some good additional thickness and I think madcows help in nailing down my form and execution of the deadlift is kicking it up another notch. I am really liking my gym performances as of late. Lots of good solid oldschool iron lifting, and I am getting some looks when doing bent over rows or deads especially. It helps with my ego thats for sure. Little or no pain on my glute sticks so far, my 4th one is coming up later this week. I will be starting my HCG use at the start of week 8 to keep the boys kicking somewhat and help with PCT. I have heard a lot fo guys say they really get some bad acne when they use HCG which is not something I want to hear. I am doing a decent job of keeping the zits at bay but my skin is about 25% worse than normal. Oh well, I can live with that no big deal. I am still doing a lot of reading to make sure I don't make the typical rookie mistakes after my cycle is over regarding lifting routine, eating, etc. My PCT will be HCG and Nolva, no clomid and I have already decided after ample rest time and recovery, my next cycle will be some TBOL. I swear buce410 makes me want to try it NOW. lol But I will want to do a good cutter later this year so I will wait until that is ready to go. Libido is rock solid (no pun intended) and the little women isn't complaining so niether am I. OK, thats that, off to workout.

 

[wayneboard1]

....Your apprentice, young Skywalker will be.



save that post , you will think it is very funny in a few months

I reread my first few posts and you are right, it is kinda funny. WHat was I all worried about? Little did I know what wonders awaited me!!! LOL

 

[wayneboard1]

Well, long time no post so I figured much to some of yours dismay, another log in the saga of Wayneboards first cycle.

I have been at it as usual and up to 227 as of yesterday. I have not done any cardio in about 1.5 weeks except for a 5-10 minute walk on the treadmill to help warm up before my workouts. I think I will add some cardio back into things and see how I react workout wise as I add it back in. I was pretty happy to see that weight as I started at 216 and I am 6 weeks in so up 11 lbs. No really noticable water weight but noticeable doesn't mean it isn't there, the glute sticks are smooth as can be, so I am cruising right along. Nothing earth shattering to report and while I am still pumped about working out and what not, the newness has worn off and I am in a "rythem" so to speak. I workouts are very solid, weight is kicking up, and a little bout with some tendonitis has all but gone. I think I have learned how my body will respond to extra weight and how to keep the intensity and avoid overtraining as well. I have been getting some GREAT sleep over the last 2 weeks. At least 8-9 hours a night and a few random naps as well. I love the sleep I am getting as well as it is very sound and I feel quite rested when I wake up. This is helping my workouts as well, as it almost feels like I have taken a day or so off and feel fresh each and every workout. I am trying to keep in mind that I don't need to spend 2 hours in the gym just make the 45-60 minutes I am there really count. Workout hard and leave. I have learned that bit advice is wuite true from reading dial tones, needsize, etc posts. I am amazed at how much I continue to learn just by reading and searching. (newbies please read that last sentence outloud to yourself OK, today is chest and tri day and I am looking forward to it. I slept 10 hours last night and feel GREAT.

 

[chefbone]

What up brohamski? Congrats on the weight gain and good attitude.
Did you ever try Krishna Liver Cleanse? I did it on Sat.& Sun. I feel like a champ. You should try it after your cycle!!!

 

[wayneboard1]

What up brohamski? Congrats on the weight gain and good attitude.
Did you ever try Krishna Liver Cleanse? I did it on Sat.& Sun. I feel like a champ. You should try it after your cycle!!!

I actually have bookmarked that page/link he has in his thread to do it about 2-3 weeks after my PCT.

 

[chefbone]

I actually have bookmarked that page/link he has in his thread to do it about 2-3 weeks after my PCT.

Dude, I had great results. It's really fuggin' weird when I woke up that morning and started to shit emerald stone. My best advice when you do it is to get the softest TP you can find.

 

[wayneboard1]

I have kind of loosely decided on my next cycle (after proper PCT and full recovery of course). After reading all about TBOL and how happy I already am on Test LE/EQ I think I will start off with 4 weeks of TBOL at 50 ED and do test at 500 and EQ at 600. How long I will run that test EQ I don't know. I think maybe the test for 10 to 12 and then run the EQ out until 14 or so. We'll see, I have plenty of time. So far I am responding very well to my current cycle with little or no sides so why not?

I love chemicals.

 

[Marcinator]

Congrats on all your successes thus far. Also, thank you for chronicling your journey for all of us to read. I just read your entire post and feel almost like it has been me going through this! (then I look at my arms and realize, no not me sadly)

I am months and months away from any starting point....but hope to be where you are someday!

Couple questions: #1 are your "boys" back to normal size, or still shrunk? #2 what are your co-workers saying about you NOW? And how do you respond?

 

[wayneboard1]

Congrats on all your successes thus far. Also, thank you for chronicling your journey for all of us to read. I just read your entire post and feel almost like it has been me going through this! (then I look at my arms and realize, no not me sadly)

I am months and months away from any starting point....but hope to be where you are someday!

Couple questions: #1 are your "boys" back to normal size, or still shrunk? #2 what are your co-workers saying about you NOW? And how do you respond?

Hey man thanks for your reply and compliments. I am mid cycle so my boys are getting small. I am going to start my mid cycle HCG sticks at the end of next week so that will help. My coworkers have said a few things about my shoulders getting bigger, back looking wider, but not so much in that area. Since my cycle is a "slow burner" of sorts I don't expect them to notice much size wise since they see me every day. However, I do work out with a few of the guys from work from time to time and they are having a hard time keeping up. I am feeling very solid now and they have said I am getting stronger at a good pace. They are not religious in their workouts as I am so to them it appears to be a good hard work ethic and protein, diet, intensity, etc. All of those do play a very important role in all this but the gear does give me that "boost" in the gym and with recovery. I like having them around not only for a good spot, but for an ego boost as well. LOL I just tell them you have to lift hard and not skip workouts, take so much protein and rest and then I rave about the good rest I am getting, etc, etc. They buy it.

 

[wayneboard1]

well, had some friends in town so I took 3 days off from the gym and hit it again yesterday and felt even better! I guess I just needed a rest and my chest workout really showed it. I was up another 10 lbs in lifting and felt very solid and got some good slow reps to show for it. I am at 230 in weight so up from 216 so not bad at the start of week 8. I start my HCG tomorrow so that will be nice and yet suck because of the extra sticks I have to do. Today is back and bi day and I am feeling good. Got some great rest last night and I am expecting another solid workout this afternoon. I have noticed a few more zits popping up and man they are HUGE and all around my nose for some reason. No hairloss or bloating to speak of but I did have an unusual anxiety related reaction this last week that had to be gear related. I am NEVER the type to freak out, never have any issues with nervousness or anxiety or panic attacks. I have heard some people say EQ gives the anxiety issues and until a few days ago had nothing like that happen to me. Well, I had a few minor things happen at work and I just about lost it. It messed with my sleep and eating and really had my head just freaking out and I was really freaking out. Then, after about 2 days of this, it was gone. I can only assume it was the EQ because of nothing even close to this in my life ever happening before but of course I don't know for sure. The EQ is really kicking in now and with full force. I always get a good pump but my bicepts are the ones that really show it the most. I love that swole look in my arms but who doesn't? I am still doing research on how to workout when my cycle is done. I know all about the proper PCT and have the HCG and Nolva on hand for that very thing, but it's the timing that I am still trying to research. I plan on blasting away as usual for my entire PCT but still wonder how long I wait before begining the task of stripping off the BF I have gained? Any feedback on how you do this is greatly appreciated.

 

[chefbone]

well, had some friends in town so I took 3 days off from the gym and hit it again yesterday and felt even better! I guess I just needed a rest and my chest workout really showed it. I was up another 10 lbs in lifting and felt very solid and got some good slow reps to show for it. I am at 230 in weight so up from 216 so not bad at the start of week 8. I start my HCG tomorrow so that will be nice and yet suck because of the extra sticks I have to do. Today is back and bi day and I am feeling good. Got some great rest last night and I am expecting another solid workout this afternoon. I have noticed a few more zits popping up and man they are HUGE and all around my nose for some reason. No hairloss or bloating to speak of but I did have an unusual anxiety related reaction this last week that had to be gear related. I am NEVER the type to freak out, never have any issues with nervousness or anxiety or panic attacks. I have heard some people say EQ gives the anxiety issues and until a few days ago had nothing like that happen to me. Well, I had a few minor things happen at work and I just about lost it. It messed with my sleep and eating and really had my head just freaking out and I was really freaking out. Then, after about 2 days of this, it was gone. I can only assume it was the EQ because of nothing even close to this in my life ever happening before but of course I don't know for sure. The EQ is really kicking in now and with full force. I always get a good pump but my bicepts are the ones that really show it the most. I love that swole look in my arms but who doesn't? I am still doing research on how to workout when my cycle is done. I know all about the proper PCT and have the HCG and Nolva on hand for that very thing, but it's the timing that I am still trying to research. I plan on blasting away as usual for my entire PCT but still wonder how long I wait before begining the task of stripping off the BF I have gained? Any feedback on how you do this is greatly appreciated.

Do you want some Isotoner Ass Lovin'?

 

[wayneboard1]

Do you want some Isotoner Ass Lovin'?

I would expect that kind of offer from a "Marino fan".

 

[wayneboard1]

Do you want some Isotoner Ass Lovin'?

OH and to answer your question......NO.

 

[Killer_Clown]

Hey that was one of the best speaches I have ever heard.



You should have saved that one for the Noble Prize


LOL


funny as hell but none the less the same way I felt with my first shot

 

[wayneboard1]

Hey that was one of the best speaches I have ever heard.



You should have saved that one for the Noble Prize


LOL


funny as hell but none the less the same way I felt with my first shot

Thanks! Maybe someday I will win it and I will tell the world that the killer clown told me to say this.

 

[wayneboard1]

well, it's been a little over a week since my last post on this thread so I figured why not? I am up to 232.5 and while there is some bloat the fat seems to be staying the same. I am starting to get a few more comments about how solid I am looking, and man my lifting is going through the ROOF. I am really staying at a very good pace, concentrating on always keeping correct form and lifting smooth and solid not jerky. I love how I am so much further than some fellow lifters and friends, and have even started a 6 month "contest" of sorts with 2 of my best friends. They of course have no idea I am on any gear and they don't know anything about it, so that will be my little secret. LOL It is so frigin hot here that I am one giant sweat gland and I guess it may be the EQ, but I think I would sweat this much regardless. I started my HCG sticks last week with no problem. Doing sub Q sticks on those and they are quite painless. I was expecting to feel my "boys" stir to life after a few HCG shots but maybe you aren't supposed to feel anything but notice more size return???? This is my first go round with HCG so I don't know what to expect. Any feedback on that is appreciated. I have about 5 weeks left on my cycle and I hope to hit 241 lbs, but so far I am up 16.5 lbs and feeling great! If I can hit 241 at least then that will be a gain of 25 lbs and hopefully I can keep at least 18 of that. My PCT will be HCG and Liquinolva, standard jenetic protcols. OK off to eat.