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My beef with people who inject 4ad

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MIKERAZ

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If you notice im always questioning 4ad's efficency. especially when people who inject it come back and claim "great results". Wether its animals board or elite or wherever they all came back and say they had great results but its funny how they never ever report there results.With the exception of javaguru who posted his 4 pound gain (even though if you look at posts prior to his 4ad use he reports the exact same stats as he does after the 4 hmmm) so now can someone please explain to me why no one wants to report there "great results" ? and when i ask for it they just flame. Go over to the anabolic board you see people writing i had great results with my winny or deca or test cycle and i gained x amount of pounds. Can someone clue me in .



P.s even though im not a fan or PH i am against them being banned.
 
Ok, I did a 4ad injection cycle about 5 months ago. I am now on a 4ad cyp. inj. cycle ( I didnt get the 4ad cyp form kilosports I got it straight from china) Since I never posted anything about my 4ad cycle on this board I will post them for you now.

4ad injection cycle (150mg each day) x 6weeks

Start: 173.43 lb

Finish: 189.21 lb


Started Clomid and Nolva


after 3 weeks post cycle I have dropped down to 185.13 lb


Hope this helps
 
Thank you , i dont know why thats so hard for some people. How did you get 4ad cyp from china dont you have to order by the kilo? Was your cycle of esterd 4ad or no ester? and congrats on your gains.What was your diet like
 
For the first 4ad cycle in which the results are posted aove, I used th reglr 4ad without the cyp ester. I got 3 kilos of 4ad cyp from my supplier in china. I also got 3 kilos of 19nor cyp from china. When you buy it in bulk, it becomes very, very cheap.
My diet was good, but it always is, I was getting about 2g of protein per/lb. I started taking my 4ad cyp injections 5 days ago, I inject every 3 days. Im running this cycle for 6 weeks but I may extend it to 8 since the cyp ester takes longer to get sustained blood elevations. Im doing 300mg of 4ad cyp per inj.
 
nsruffryder34 said:
For the first 4ad cycle in which the results are posted aove, I used th reglr 4ad without the cyp ester. I got 3 kilos of 4ad cyp from my supplier in china. I also got 3 kilos of 19nor cyp from china. When you buy it in bulk, it becomes very, very cheap.
My diet was good, but it always is, I was getting about 2g of protein per/lb. I started taking my 4ad cyp injections 5 days ago, I inject every 3 days. Im running this cycle for 6 weeks but I may extend it to 8 since the cyp ester takes longer to get sustained blood elevations. Im doing 300mg of 4ad cyp per inj.
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How many milligrams of 4-AD cypionate were you able to dissolve per cc of oil? What kind of oil did you use? Did you use any benzyl alcohol or similar preservative?
 
Creating a 4AD derivative in this fashion seems like a lot of work in comparision to the efficacy and conversion of Fina to an injectable trenbelone.

- Mike
 
nsruffryder34 said:
Ok, I did a 4ad injection cycle about 5 months ago. I am now on a 4ad cyp. inj. cycle ( I didnt get the 4ad cyp form kilosports I got it straight from china) Since I never posted anything about my 4ad cycle on this board I will post them for you now.

4ad injection cycle (150mg each day) x 6weeks

Start: 173.43 lb

Finish: 189.21 lb


Started Clomid and Nolva


after 3 weeks post cycle I have dropped down to 185.13 lb


Hope this helps
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You stuck yourself everyday for 6 weeks??!!!!!!

That's 42 injections, you must be a masochist or something. Not that i'd ever inject anything. but was it as painful as people say 1-test is to inject, just curious?
 
It's actually MUCH cheaper and easier to convert raw 4-ad cypionate powder to an injectable. First you don't have to deal with the fillers and binders which means it filters more easily and you get a greater yield of product. Secondly, two grams of TA cost around $35.00 while even buying from Kilosports with their mark up it was around $60.00 for twenty grams, ten times as much. If you purchased directly from China it would be much cheaper than this but my guess is you would have to purchase at least a kilo.
 
Yea, it is much cheaper to get raw 4ad cyp than TA, I bought 3 kilos from china and let me just say that kilospors is making a fortune on there markup. I feel it is easily just as effective as TA, for the cost at least. I did another injec. today. When the cycle is over I will post stats and gains.

PS: gsxr1000, yea I had to stick myself everyday, its not that bad though, but it needed to be done since 4ad has a short h.l.
 
You can start to feel like a pin cushion after a while but you get used to the injections. One advantage to the 4-ad cypionate is the greater half life which means you only have to inject once per week.
 
nsruffryder34 said:
For the first 4ad cycle in which the results are posted aove, I used th reglr 4ad without the cyp ester. I got 3 kilos of 4ad cyp from my supplier in china. I also got 3 kilos of 19nor cyp from china. When you buy it in bulk, it becomes very, very cheap.
My diet was good, but it always is, I was getting about 2g of protein per/lb. I started taking my 4ad cyp injections 5 days ago, I inject every 3 days. Im running this cycle for 6 weeks but I may extend it to 8 since the cyp ester takes longer to get sustained blood elevations. Im doing 300mg of 4ad cyp per inj.
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Wow you bought 3 kilos of 4ad and 3 kilos of nordiol ? Thats 6 kilos you must be a millionare, doesnt a kilo cost a few thousand?
 
nsruffryder34 said:
Yea, it is much cheaper to get raw 4ad cyp than TA, I bought 3 kilos from china and let me just say that kilospors is making a fortune on there markup. I feel it is easily just as effective as TA, for the cost at least. I did another injec. today. When the cycle is over I will post stats and gains.

PS: gsxr1000, yea I had to stick myself everyday, its not that bad though, but it needed to be done since 4ad has a short h.l.
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I will ask again because apparently you did not notice my question the first time around:

"How many milligrams of 4-AD cypionate were you able to dissolve per cc of oil? What kind of oil did you use? Did you use any benzyl alcohol or similar preservative?"

Thanks

Patrick
 
Pat, sorry I missed you qustion up at the top.

I disolved 100mg 4ad cyp per ml. I used the USP Oil from researchkits.com and I did use Benzyl Alc.(also from researchkits).
So far its going good, Im up about 8 pounds and the pumps have been good. Im estiamting it should really start to kck in around week 3 or 4.
 
nsruffryder34 said:
Pat, sorry I missed you qustion up at the top.

I disolved 100mg 4ad cyp per ml. I used the USP Oil from researchkits.com and I did use Benzyl Alc.(also from researchkits).
So far its going good, Im up about 8 pounds and the pumps have been good. Im estiamting it should really start to kck in around week 3 or 4.
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First off you how much does a kilo cost?

Also in your opinion which did you liek better the cyp or the no ester?

hAVE YOU DOne real gear in the past?
 
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Mikeraz, I like the 4ad cyp better than te regular 4ad because of the fact that it can be injected less frequently. Kilos can range anywhere from a few hundred dollars up to $2000, itall depeds on how many kilos you buy, and the supplier you buy it from.
I have done AAS cycles in the past, and I will compare my results witht the 4ad cyp wehn I am done.
 
nsruffryder34 said:
Mikeraz, I like the 4ad cyp better than te regular 4ad because of the fact that it can be injected less frequently. Kilos can range anywhere from a few hundred dollars up to $2000, itall depeds on how many kilos you buy, and the supplier you buy it from.
I have done AAS cycles in the past, and I will compare my results witht the 4ad cyp wehn I am done.
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How much did your's cost? Whyd you buy so much?

And your first cycle soudned good also
 
I bought the kilos because of the proposed PH ban, and it is also alot cheaper than buying in small amounts. My kilos cost around $1000 each, (im not going to say he exact price). I figure that most likely, unless by some mirace this ban is stopped, that PH's will be gone soon so I now have my stock up.
 
I had no problem getting Kilosports 4-ad cypionate into solution at a concentration of 150mg/ml using 3% Benzyl Alcohol and 17% Benzyl Benzoate. Unfortunately, Kilos material is on 93.1% pure.
 
i stick with super one plus. I'm on my fourth week, gained 8 pound pure lean mass. Can see my abs bigger and ripped.
:)
I'll go for 6 weeks then will need some clomid and nolva cause my balls started to shrink
:(
 
every day injections and its not even juice? i have no real comment here except reading this post really made me laugh. 4 ad is pure junk, why would anyone buy four kilos?
 
Listen everybody im sorry for acting like an ass for the past few months , and im sorry i had to play the heel so to speak damn i feel like chris jehrico :).Anyway that thread is the proof that injectable 4ad really sint anything.It was over hyped from the start.This whole thing started with pityocamptes reporting good results from 19nor and i'll admit i was hopeful excited but as the weeks went by i realized something is fishy when after that he started injecting 4ad at a gram in water and saw nothing. Now im not bashing pityo im sure hes a very nice cool guy but im just stating the facts.Then he chalked it up to well it was in water so that sux. So next he went and injected 4ad and nordiol in oil for awhile and saw nothing.Hell say this and that but look at his posts he posted the same weight , and even was a little disapointed in one of his earlier posts asking animal why he wasnt gainign and got some fake answer . Then animal decided to experiment with 4ad, he'd post how incredible it was this and that yet he never reported any gains , no muscle ,he did say it helped with soreness but never any gains never any before/afters. And when asked hed just flame and ban you. Now even you java you posted good the first week but then you saw nothing. Other people would try 4ad and most would report miniscule gains .Then brock strasser chimed in how he injected between 50 and 100 mg (right here i knew he was full of it besides being brock strasser he could tell u an exact number of how much he injected wtf is this between garbage.
I'm sorry i wish i was wrong i really do with all my heart but the fact is 4ad injected just doesnt measure up.
 
No offense to the posters but I always take anecdotal results with a grain of salt. There is no indication of diet or body fat levels. Edog indicated he was eating a lot, on a ketogenic diet, and trying to cut. Personally, I wouldn't use a dieting protocol to test the effectiveness of a steroid, especially a ketogenic diet.

A prime example is a guy I know from the gym who always maintains 5%-8% BF year round. He did 500mg of legitimate test per week for six weeks and gained nothing. He claims to this day "steroids don't work on me" even though he was on a low calorie and low carb diet.

I would also like to point out that mikeraz has mischaracterized my results in his post. With two weeks of 4-ad-ec injectable I lost body fat and gaiined LBM even though I increased my calories by 500kcal per day and decreased my cardio. I had no additional weight gain the second week but at the end of the two weeks I had dropped my body fat by 2% from when i had it tested at the beginning. Both tests were done using the same technician with calipers. I also had severlal people at the gym, including my girlfriend, make comments about my "looking bigger" for what that's worth.

I was well past my genetic potential and have experience using many different scheduled steroids over the past ten years so placebo effect can be ruled out. I also posted a typical days diet on another 4-ad thread if anyone is interested. I haven't used the 4-ad cypionate but there are countless anecdotal results from transdermal and several IM users indicating results. On animals board there are experienced users who compare it to milder scheduled steroids. I really wish people would post BF% and other variables with their results for whatever they are taking. Who cares if you gained 15lbs on x supplement if it was all or mostly fat.
 
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