My 5X5.. Advice?

[Criminal10dinC]

Wow!! 3 months training and that's it? How old are you? Iv started my first cycle today but 1 thing im so so sure about is having a decent body weight body fat etc before I even thought about touching steroids. I came to this forum to learn mate I suggest you listen to these people who actually want to help you and take there knowledge and up it for your gains. Dam man you only know a few ways to train you need to confuse your body with different styles so your body does not adapt and keeps building otherwise your just goin to stay as you are or worse fat because your not working out correctly. Im a novice to some of these guys here show some respect and listen to them please
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Im 24 years old. 6'3" 195lbs. Been training DEDICATED for 3 months now. (3 days per week minimum). Been training half-assed for years though.

I am more than open to advice from everyone here, everyone has something to teach me and i know this.

I'm not going to stop juicing though. Thats where i stand firm. I am willing and open to follow any other suggestions to modifications of any and all of my current routines/diets.

At my age and size i am confident i have been genetically fucked. I'm juicing to get a base, and work from there. However wrong you all might think that is, it is what it is...

 

[TravFlex91]

Im 24 years old. 6'3" 195lbs. Been training DEDICATED for 3 months now. (3 days per week minimum). Been training half-assed for years though.

I am more than open to advice from everyone here, everyone has something to teach me and i know this.

I'm not going to stop juicing though. Thats where i stand firm. I am willing and open to follow any other suggestions to modifications of any and all of my current routines/diets.

At my age and size i am confident i have been genetically fucked. I'm juicing to get a base, and work from there. However wrong you all might think that is, it is what it is...

It's quite apparent your going to do what It is you please.
All I am going to say is this.
You don't juice to gain a base.
Otherwise they wouldn't be called performance enhances.. Just performance.
Your meant to start off with a solid base. And juice to better it.
When you come off and fall further back than you are now you will unfortunately understand.
You might consider a lot of these guys old heads... But they've pushed me in a positive manner. And as idiotic as it may SEEM. I trust them. All of them.
You need to do less defending, and alot more listening.
Help us help you.
Post your daily eating schedule. Show us your macros.
I don't agree with your 5x5 regiment. Especially that your on.
5 days a week, one body part a week. Make it ground beef and watch it grow.
You need to help yourself and do the right things here brother.
Do you think I got to 200lbs at 5'8 by just sticking to my own guns? No way. Took a lot of advice and unfortunate losses.. For my benefit.
Listen and eat.. That all you need

 

[buddhabuilder]

I agree he should wait to cycle. From what I understand, the primary reason one should wait is for the sake of not "wasting a cycle" - not exposing yourself to the risks of a cycle for minimal gains in return.

Is that what you were saying, too? Or are there specific long-term issues one faces only when they are not @ their natural potential.

I am not challenging what you're saying, just hoping you'll expand so I can better understand it. Thanks

Jay, By all means challenge me, and anyone else when you are seeking to gain knowledge. Elite Fitness is a "We" program.

IMO, your hormones are raging in your early 20's, maybe even later, and the idea of doing a cycle that WILL shut you down, and then other stuff to help it recover, during this important time can prove unhealthy.

Also, when your training/diet isn't fully developed, and you haven't maxed out your natural potential, your results are gonna be mixed at best. This may lead to disappointment or even discouragement. Bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint.

 

[buddhabuilder]

Im 24 years old. 6'3" 195lbs. Been training DEDICATED for 3 months now. (3 days per week minimum). Been training half-assed for years though.

I am more than open to advice from everyone here, everyone has something to teach me and i know this.

I'm not going to stop juicing though. Thats where i stand firm. I am willing and open to follow any other suggestions to modifications of any and all of my current routines/diets.

At my age and size i am confident i have been genetically fucked. I'm juicing to get a base, and work from there. However wrong you all might think that is, it is what it is...

OK,Criminal, then I want you to post consistently on here to address any sides you may experience or other concerns. I also want to see a full list of on cycle support you have in your possession as well as the PCT you have planned.

Did you write out your 5x5 routine with the tweaks I gave you?
What are your starting weights?
What is your diet?

It's all with compassion, little Bro.

 

[Buildingup24]

Buddha- I was thinking a Push/Pull/Legs/off/repeat- may be more beneficial if he's going to inject since his recovery would be enhanced but also that way he can work on accessory lifts as well (incline press/Leg Curls/RDL/Dips..etc)
Thoughts?

 

[buddhabuilder]

Buddha- I was thinking a Push/Pull/Legs/off/repeat- may be more beneficial if he's going to inject since his recovery would be enhanced but also that way he can work on accessory lifts as well (incline press/Leg Curls/RDL/Dips..etc)
Thoughts?

That is a good point. 5x5's do give you a lot of time off.

Criminal, did you just grab onto the 5x5 because it is a complete plan? Would you like to see what Buildingup is talking about? You will have shorter recovery time than naturally, and this other program would have you in the gym more often.

Let us know. We can have you set for Monday. You need to start a workout journal whatever you decide, so make sure you have a notebook and pen on hand.

 

[Buildingup24]

Ill throw up my push/pull/legs..
Push-

Bench-3x5 (heavy)
DB incline- 3-4 sets of 6-12
Wide Grip OHP-4-6 sets of 6-10 rep
4 sets laterals (high rep drop sets)
6sets triceps

Pull-

Weighted Pull-up/chin--3x5
DB Row-3-4 sets 10-20 reps (Matt Kroc)
Lat PD or body weight pullups
High pulls-5x5
6 sets rear delts (high rep)
4-6 sets biceps

Legs:
Front squat or back squat- heavy
Leg press-4-6 sets 6-12 reps
SLDL using 25lb plates-4-5 sets 6-10 reps
Leg curls-3-4 sets higher rep

When u do push workout again, focus on shoulders by doing heavy military pressing n higher rep dumbbell flat benching.
Having a handful of exercises that work and get really good at those.

My workouts are mainly..
Snatch grip high pull
Squats-I favor Front squats
SLDL
Military Press
DB Bench
Snatch grip rack pull
Weighted dips
Pull-ups/chin-ups
Power clean

I throw in random exercises for sake of variety but that's the base of my lifts. Hope that helps you out

 

[Criminal10dinC]

this is the workout that i am going to use (was given to me by another EF member)

Mon- chest, tris, abs

Flat bench 4 sets 12, 8, 6, 3
Incline db 3x 12
Dips 3x12
Skull crushers 3x10
Flys 3x15-20
Cable pushdowns 3x15-20
Weighted abs 5x20-50

Tue- back, bis, abs

Bent over Rows 4x 10
Weighted pull ups or pull downs 4x12
Dead lifts 3x 10
Db pull overs 3x12
Ez bar curls 3x12-20
Hammer curls 3x12-20
Weighted abs 5x20-50

Thurs- shoulders, tris, abs

Shoulder press 4x 10
Close grip bench 3x12
Shruggs 3x12
Db lateral raise 3x12
Barbell front raise 3x12
Face pull 3x12
Cable rope pushdowns 3x15-20
Weighted abs

Fri- legs, abs

Squats 4x12
Leg press 3x15
Good mornings 3x15
Leg curls 3x20
Hyper extention 3x20
Calf raise 3x20
Weighted abs


see anything that needs to be changeD?

 

[Criminal10dinC]

That is a good point. 5x5's do give you a lot of time off.

Criminal, did you just grab onto the 5x5 because it is a complete plan? Would you like to see what Buildingup is talking about? You will have shorter recovery time than naturally, and this other program would have you in the gym more often.

Let us know. We can have you set for Monday. You need to start a workout journal whatever you decide, so make sure you have a notebook and pen on hand.

i liked the 5x5 because i thought htat would give me the most over-all workout. and the simplicity of it was nice as well.

and i am actually about to head to the gym now to start my "monday's" workout. i wonder what a 'work journal' is supposed to include?

 

[Criminal10dinC]

It's quite apparent your going to do what It is you please.
All I am going to say is this.
You don't juice to gain a base.
Otherwise they wouldn't be called performance enhances.. Just performance.
Your meant to start off with a solid base. And juice to better it.
When you come off and fall further back than you are now you will unfortunately understand.
You might consider a lot of these guys old heads... But they've pushed me in a positive manner. And as idiotic as it may SEEM. I trust them. All of them.
You need to do less defending, and alot more listening.
Help us help you.
Post your daily eating schedule. Show us your macros.
I don't agree with your 5x5 regiment. Especially that your on.
5 days a week, one body part a week. Make it ground beef and watch it grow.
You need to help yourself and do the right things here brother.
Do you think I got to 200lbs at 5'8 by just sticking to my own guns? No way. Took a lot of advice and unfortunate losses.. For my benefit.
Listen and eat.. That all you need

i'm juicing because i am not comfortable in my own skin. i cant really describe this feeling, but it's like i am too self-concious of how i look.. it sucks. i am not juicing to be a "top performer", or to start body building or anything like that. i am using steroids so that i might be able to comfortably go out into public with a regular t-shirt on.. or so that by next summer i can take my shirt off at the pool and enjoy time with my family.... none of you might understand what i'm saying, but this is why i am doing what i am doing.. sorry

here is my meal plan, i know it needs to be revised. i need to try and figure out how to squeeze a couple more meals in there but i work at a fast food restaurant, so its not like i can just take a lunch with me.. at the same time i should be able to just snack on whatever while i work there but healthy choices are very limited.. none the less this is what i am going to be eating for the next week atleast. (i plan to eat the same meals every day, and switch up a new diet plan by next sunday for the following week)

meal 1: (upon waking up)
Optimum Nutrition Serious Mass (1 serving) 1250 calories 4.5g fat 252g carbs 50g pro
whole milk (3 cups) 450 calories 24g fat 36g carbs 24g pro

meal 2: (before work)
tuna (3 cans) 300 calories 6g fat 0g carbs 60g pro
wheat bread (3 slices) 150 calories 3g fat 60g carbs 12g pro

meal 3: (snack, at work)
5 whole eggs (raw) 355 calories 25g fat 0g carbs 30g pro

meal 4: (after work)
chicken breast (9oz) 414 calories 9g fat 0g carbs 83.7g pro
green beans (1 1/4cups) 70 calories 0g fat 14g carbs 3.5g pro

meal 5: (post workout, before bed)
6 star casein protein (1 serving) 140 calories .5g fat 9g carbs 25g pro
whey isolate (1 serving) 260 calories 1g fat 3g carbs 60g pro
whole milk (2 cups) 300 calories 16g fat 24g carbs 16g pro

totals: 3689 calories, 89g fat, 398g carbs, 364.2g pro