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MR. X HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CKD style

PSYCHOPATHIC

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Can you tell me if this is correct? I’m trying to figure this out for my brother. This is what I came up with.
But I can’t figure out the carbs for the carb up day????? Any suggestions?

I used Kaks theory for these figures. Mr X to you think he will be able to achieve and maintain ketosis with this?

Normal Body Weight @20%BF 250, =200LBM
Sun - Fri night
200gr Protein ed = 800 cals
272gr Fat ed = 2448 cals

Total cals each day = 3248cals each day

Carb up time Friday night and last until around midnight Saturday.

200grams Protein still
85 grams fat

I cant’ seem to figure out how many grams of carbs to consume? ?I have know Freaken clue?

Here is the part of Kaks post I used to come up with these figures.



Diet Requirements Mon. to Fri.

The phrase "working smarter, not harder" applies here more than any diet one has tried. One must fully understand what they must do in order to optimize their goal. To set a CKD up, one cannot just expect to cut all carbs in the diet, train hard, and lose fat! Although some have come up with variations to this plan, the one stated in this article, I have found, has worked for myself (it got me to 6% BF), and other clients I’ve trained to the leanest, hardest they’ve ever been.

First, to set up the diet, write down your lean mass weight. Not your total weight, dough boy. If you weigh 200, but have 20% bodyfat, your lean mass weight would be around 160 pounds. Multiply this by one, getting your grams of protein requirements for a day. Make sure you eat at least one gram of protein/pound of lean mass! This is important in recovery from workouts and enough nitrogen retention to keep muscle. Next, multiply by four, to get your protein calories. Here, it is 640.

The rest of your caloric requirements for the day should be fat. Here is the catch: you must eat fat to burn fat. There’s no way around it. There are many advantages to dietary fat on this diet: Feeling of fullness since fat digestion is slow (less hunger), tastes great, and lowers blood glucose levels (lowering insulin and allow all the fat burning hormones to do their job).

So how much fat? I always recommend starting out with a 500 calorie deficit from your maintenance calories. If you don’t know, it is usually 15 times body weight (full body weight here) depending on an individuals metabolic rate. So here, the example would need 3000 calories a day to maintain weight, and 2500 calories to begin fat loss.

2500 minus 640 (protein calories) is 1860 which works out to be around 206 fat grams a day. Now as you go deeper into the diet, and find the need to restrict calories more, you must cut fat calories, not protein.

The Weekend Carb Load

Since muscle glycogen is the main source of energy for anaerobic exercise such as weight training, we cannot simply deplete all stores while working out and not fill them back up. If that does happen, be rest-assured that the body WILL use protein for fuel then. But this won’t happen on the CKD.

Your one and a half days of "freedom" allow you to do two things: First, reward your carb cravings from the previous days, allowing you to enjoy pleasures like pizza, pasta, breads, etc. Second, eating these things are physiologically rewarding as insulin levels run high, storing amino acids and carbs, as glycogen, into the depleted muscle allowing you to be able to workout again the following week.

Your "carb-up" should begin Friday night and last until around midnight Saturday. Now the next important issue to address is how many carbs. Some lucky individuals find that they eat whatever they want for the 24-30 hour time interval and receive perfect glycogen compensation, while others rely on a better statistical number.

What has been recommended by other authors of the CKD is 10-12 grams of carbs per kilogram of lean mass. Again, time to do math. Our example had 160 pounds of lean mass, so divide that by the conversion factor of 2.2, and we get roughly 73 kg.

100 Grams of easily digested liquid carbs along with around half as many grams of carbs in protein (here 50) as a whey shake or something of that nature should be taken right after the last workout (which I will address in the workout section of the article) when insulin sensitivity will be at its greatest.

A few hours later this individual will start to spread the remaining 630 grams of carbs, along with the important number of 160 grams of protein (remember, keep this constant) during the remainder of the compensation period.

So what about dietary fat? I know you’re reminding yourself, "Didn’t this guy mention pizza?" Yes, I did. And here’s why. During the first 24-30 hours of carbing up, the body will use all dietary carbohydrates to refill glycogen, protein for rebuilding, and get this: fat for energy. Still?

Just like the previous five and a half days. Makes sense. When all the carbohydrates are being used for more important functions (muscle), what else is there to be used? However, you can’t just eat all the fat you want. Keep grams of fat intake below your body weight in kilograms. Again, here our example will keep is fat below 73 during the carb-fest.

By anecdotal reports, this should keep fat regain minimal to nil. Keeping fat intake extremely low has even caused some extra fat burning during the carb up!

But people who have tried this, myself included, have complaints about insulin swings from the quick digestion of carbs: High, low, high, low. Not very fun when you want to enjoy your weekend. Some just fall into a sugar coma and sleep all day. Kind of like after eating all those sweet potatoes, mashed potatoes, and pumpkin pie after Thanksgiving dinner. Its not ONLY the tryptophan in turkey that causes sleep!

As stated before, some dietary fat should be eaten to slow digestion and keep sugar levels stable. Whether it be saturated, unsaturated, or essential fats, is the dieter’s decision. All have nine calories per gram. (Note: there is a claim that essential fatty acids such as flax seed oil increase insulin sensitivity within the muscle cells, in turn, increasing glycogen intake.)





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PSYCHOPATHIC said:
Can you tell me if this is correct? I’m trying to figure this out for my brother. This is what I came up with.
But I can’t figure out the carbs for the carb up day????? Any suggestions?

COPY JOB FROM MY MANUAL*************

Day-7-> (CARB-UP) BMR+30%

DAY 7: --carb-up— BMR+30%


EXAMPLE FOR A 200lb PERSON:


2400cal (BMR) x .30= 720cal


2400cal + 720cal=3120cal


~70%carbs/20%protein/10%fat~


CARBS:


3120 x .70= 2185 cal from carbs


Carbohydrates have 4cal/g


2185cal divided by 4ca/g=546g carbs


PROTEIN:


3120 x .20=624cal from protein


Protein has 4cal/g


624cal divided by 4cal/g=156g protein


FAT:


3120 x .10=312 cal from fat


Fat has 9cal/g


312 divided by 9=35g fat


Totals: 546g carbs/156g protein/35g fat




SAMPLE CARB-UP: (6meals) –based on 200lb person—


1-2: 150 g liquid glucose polymers...like carb powders (ex..carbo max, dextrose..etc.) w/ 1 scoop protein


3-4: 75 g of liquid and solid glucose polymers...sugar cereals (frosted flakes,honey-nut-cheerios..etc) w/ fat-free milk w/ 1/4 cup walnuts


5-6: 50 g of complex carbs (low-GI)...oatmeal, brown-rice, beans, yams, sweet potato w/ 1/4 cup walnuts
 
Originally posted by PSYCHOPATHIC
Can you tell me if this is correct? I’m trying to figure this out for my brother. This is what I came up with.
But I can’t figure out the carbs for the carb up day????? Any suggestions?


will this work? is what I want to know.

I used Kaks theory for these figures. Mr X to you think he will be able to achieve and maintain ketosis with this?

in your opinion will what I have here work for achiveing Ketosis?

the reson why I used info from KaKs post is because I don't understand your method Mr. X I have read it a million times and I still have know Idea how to figure all that out.

Normal Body Weight @20%BF 250, =200LBM
Sun - Fri night
200gr Protein ed = 800 cals
272gr Fat ed = 2448 cals

Total cals each day = 3248cals each day

Carb up time Friday night and last until around midnight Saturday.

200grams Protein still
85 grams fat

I cant’ seem to figure out how many grams of carbs to consume? ?I have know Freaken clue?

I just want to know how many carbs durring that period?


Please help
 
Re: Re: MR. X HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CKD style

will this work? is what I want to know.

in your opinion will what I have here work for achiveing Ketosis?
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too many calories are present, drop the caloric intake to about 3000cal. for the M-S part


I just want to know how many carbs durring that period?
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simple math, 250lbs. x 12 x 1.3= Daily Caloric intake =3900 cal.
3900 x .7 (70% from carbs) = 2730 cal. from carbs
2730cal. / 4cal-g carb = 682 carbs
 
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