Milk, or no milk

[thezan]

I've read tons of mixed reviews on the effect milk products have when trying to cut up. Will my cottage cheese, and yogart cravings stand in my way of my from getting to 11% to 9%

Can someone plz explain the science of this to me
cheerios, thezan

 

[Lee]

i heard as long as you use light products that it wont have any negative affect on cutting. the big problem is most yogurts and cottage cheeses have lots of milkfat in em.

 

[AEKDB]

I am a BIG fan of milk,but I can not drink it at all when I am trying to trim down for a meeting or event where I want to look a little leaner. Probably different for each person.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Lack of dairy products(calcium, this is where the majority of our calcium intake comes from) can make your body produce more calcitrol, which can lead to stored fat. Study at the U of Tennessee found this out. So at the least opt for a calcium citrate supplement, easier to digest due to less stomach acid needed.

The dairy folks tout eat 3 a day or something for added fat loss, but studies show maybe a 2 lb. differential at best. And this has got to be hard if not impossible with reasonablilty to percieve.

The Impact of Calcium and Dairy Product Consumption on Weight Loss
Jean Harvey-Berino, Beth Casey Gold, Renee Lauber and Amy Starinski
Department of Nutrition and Food Sciences, University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont.

Address correspondence to Jean Harvey-Berino, Department of Nutrition and Food Sciences, University of Vermont, 315 Terrill Hall, 570 Main Street, Burlington, VT 05405-0148. E-mail: [email protected]

Objective: Recent evidence suggests that diets high in calcium and dairy products are associated with lower body weight, particularly lower body fat levels. The purpose of this study was to compare weight and body fat loss on a calorie-restricted, low-dairy (CR) vs. high-dairy (CR+D) diet.

Research Methods and Procedures: Fifty-four subjects (BMI 30 ± 2.5 kg/m2, 45 ± 6.6 years, 4 men) were randomly assigned to calorie-restricted (–500 kcal/d) low-dairy calcium (n = 29; 1 serving dairy/d, 500 mg/d calcium) or high-dairy calcium (n = 25; 3 to 4 servings dairy/d, 1200 to 1400 mg/d calcium) diets for 12 months. Main outcome measures included change in weight (kilograms) and body fat (percentage).

Results: There were no significant differences between groups at baseline. At 12 months, weight and body fat loss were not significantly different. Subjects in the CR vs. CR+D conditions lost 9.6 ± 6.5 vs. 10.8 ± 5.9 kg (p = 0.56) and 9.0 ± 3.8 vs. 10.1 ± 3.6 kg body fat (p = 0.37).

Discussion: These findings suggest that a high-dairy calcium diet does not substantially improve weight loss beyond what can be achieved in a behavioral intervention.



Now, should you eat them? I would suggest everyone is different, and you should see. I usually use yogurts during most of my cut.(very low sugar).

In the early stages of a cut, I use regular skim milk, but as I progress, I switch and it is usually the Hoods Dairy Beverage kind...8 gr. of protein, 3 gr. carbs, 80 calories.

 

[thelion2005]

I've read tons of mixed reviews on the effect milk products have when trying to cut up. Will my cottage cheese, and yogart cravings stand in my way of my from getting to 11% to 9%

Can someone plz explain the science of this to me
cheerios, thezan

I'd be more concerned with the carb content than the fat.
Less fat ... more carbs.

Milk is a great building protein if you are not allergic, but not for cutting up.

 

[DZLS]

i've read many times, where milk makes you look "soft"... whether that's true or not, i couldn't verify...

2 guys at 9% BF can look very different...

 

[cityhick]

Skim milk has a good ratio of protien/carbs/calories/fat and I think you should just keep it in moderation when cutting. Every body responds diffrently to carbs/fat. Give it a shot and if you seem like you platued drop it. Trial and Error

 

[thezan]

Yeah i hear ya DZLS, i feel like milk products may be givin me that smooth look.

I find when i eat my CC and yogart(which are both fat, and practicaly carb free) make me feel real full after, even bloated. And when i eat some chicken and veggies i have that dry full feeling, i may have to try to cut it out for a couple weeks and see if i can notice anything changes
thx all
thezan

 

[psychedout]

I don't buy the idea that milk smooths you out. What mechanism could this occur through?

 

[1392477]

try nonfat milk, nonfat cottage cheese and light yogurts instead of their full-fat counterparts.

It's an aquired taste but worth it in the long run. Wean yourself down to 2% then 1% and in a few months you will be drinking skim (nonfat) milk. I mix all of my protein shakes with it and it works to give you extra calories, protein, and calcium.

 

[mm107]

Lack of dairy products(calcium, this is where the majority of our calcium intake comes from) can make your body produce more calcitrol, which can lead to stored fat. Study at the U of Tennessee found this out. So at the least opt for a calcium citrate supplement, easier to digest due to less stomach acid needed.

The dairy folks tout eat 3 a day or something for added fat loss, but studies show maybe a 2 lb. differential at best. And this has got to be hard if not impossible with reasonablilty to percieve.

The Impact of Calcium and Dairy Product Consumption on Weight Loss
Jean Harvey-Berino, Beth Casey Gold, Renee Lauber and Amy Starinski
Department of Nutrition and Food Sciences, University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont.

Address correspondence to Jean Harvey-Berino, Department of Nutrition and Food Sciences, University of Vermont, 315 Terrill Hall, 570 Main Street, Burlington, VT 05405-0148. E-mail: [email protected]

Objective: Recent evidence suggests that diets high in calcium and dairy products are associated with lower body weight, particularly lower body fat levels. The purpose of this study was to compare weight and body fat loss on a calorie-restricted, low-dairy (CR) vs. high-dairy (CR+D) diet.

Research Methods and Procedures: Fifty-four subjects (BMI 30 ± 2.5 kg/m2, 45 ± 6.6 years, 4 men) were randomly assigned to calorie-restricted (–500 kcal/d) low-dairy calcium (n = 29; 1 serving dairy/d, 500 mg/d calcium) or high-dairy calcium (n = 25; 3 to 4 servings dairy/d, 1200 to 1400 mg/d calcium) diets for 12 months. Main outcome measures included change in weight (kilograms) and body fat (percentage).

Results: There were no significant differences between groups at baseline. At 12 months, weight and body fat loss were not significantly different. Subjects in the CR vs. CR+D conditions lost 9.6 ± 6.5 vs. 10.8 ± 5.9 kg (p = 0.56) and 9.0 ± 3.8 vs. 10.1 ± 3.6 kg body fat (p = 0.37).

Discussion: These findings suggest that a high-dairy calcium diet does not substantially improve weight loss beyond what can be achieved in a behavioral intervention.



Now, should you eat them? I would suggest everyone is different, and you should see. I usually use yogurts during most of my cut.(very low sugar).

In the early stages of a cut, I use regular skim milk, but as I progress, I switch and it is usually the Hoods Dairy Beverage kind...8 gr. of protein, 3 gr. carbs, 80 calories.

exacly what i was about to say. There have been proven, 3 or more servings a day of dairy, with the increase in calcium is actually supposed to ward off belly fat. But thats just a study, everyone is def different.

All i can say is i have my protein shake w/ skim milk and a bowl of cerial in skim milk every morning, then at around 9-10 i have another protein shake again in milk.

I still got my v cuts so i dont know if dairy would neccasssarily be a bad thing for me.

 

[bettyboop]

Yeah i hear ya DZLS, i feel like milk products may be givin me that smooth look.

I find when i eat my CC and yogart(which are both fat, and practicaly carb free) make me feel real full after, even bloated. And when i eat some chicken and veggies i have that dry full feeling, i may have to try to cut it out for a couple weeks and see if i can notice anything changes
thx all
thezan

if you are dieting or cutting for a show it is recommended to cut out dairy 4-6 weeks before a show. dairy does make you bloated when you are cutting. if you look at your dairy products they are processed and full of chemicals, organic dairy is completely different, it is not processed.
you would never get a bloated feeling from your chicken or veggies because these are not processed and you body has an easy time digesting them.

 

[JKurz1]

if you are dieting or cutting for a show it is recommended to cut out dairy 4-6 weeks before a show. dairy does make you bloated when you are cutting. if you look at your dairy products they are processed and full of chemicals, organic dairy is completely different, it is not processed.
you would never get a bloated feeling from your chicken or veggies because these are not processed and you body has an easy time digesting them.

try carb control skim....wonder drink!