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JKurz1 said:
and thats the whole day? PW shake then meal is next?
it is... maybe a bit of cycling/treadmill, nothing too crazy, and maybe a bit of skipping at the end of the workout. with 3 days in the week for legs/abs, monday being a heavy day, i avoid the temptation to do more than that - prevents quick burnout.
 
SO if I do quads Sunday, chest/bis mon, hams tues, delts wed, I could give this a shot today or should I take the day off like Iam suppose to?
 
not sure what happened

SO if I do quads Sunday, chest/bis mon, hams tues, delts wed, I could give this a shot today or should I take the day off like Iam suppose to?
 
JKurz1 said:
i'm not sure what you understood from my post - i don't think i made my point too clearly so here goes.

the point i was trying to make was that you could beat the crap out of your muscles every time you go into the gym - whether it's supersets, drop sets, to failure, slow negatives, whatever. so you go in with only a plan to do x sets per body part. so week 1 you may bench 200x10 as your max set and do some assortment of other exercises. you come in on monday, week 2 and say you're feeling good so you manage 220x8. now week 3, you don't feel too good and you can only manage a max set of 180x10. and it continues like this for all exercises and each week. basically i'm highlighting a method where there's no plan for progression over time, just a plan to beat the crap out of the muscles each time you work out. that's what 99% of bodybuilding wannabes will be doing. then there's an option like MM's HIT, which correct me if i'm wrong, does not focus much (if at all) on actually getting strong enough - not in a neural range of 1-3 reps, nor in a hypertrophy range of 8-12 reps and not even in the intermediate range (strength + hypertrophy) of 5-8. but using both these methods, you could eat like crazy and become bigger.
Have you read his book? Also when did this rep range become what defines strength and hypertrophy of a muscle?
Also I'm not saying you can't grow any other way, Look at me for example.. I never trained HIT until 9months ago and I built an O.K. base to work with.. I'm saying using a progressive overload High-Intensity program with adequate rest could possibly get you to point A faster than say another program that wasn't of such Intensity.

what i'm asking is whether throwing progression in a given rep range out of the window a good idea? i don't think so, whether you're a bodybuilder or not. yes biggt trains primarily for strength... but that's not the point. what he's done is to choose his focus rep range which happens to be for strength. so he gets stronger in that range while doing enough of higher rep stuff for hypertrophy, because hypertrophy will also improve his strength. he could just as easily choose to do it the other way around with a greater focus on improving lifts in the higher rep ranges and do enough to stay strong in the lower rep ranges too.
I think one must find what works for them bro, every human being is different and born with a different amount of muscle fibers so they will respond differently to different training techniques.. I'm merely giving people a idea of how "I" train, not asking or telling them to train this way. I'd love to see you take the time to post your routine and explain it thouroughly because I like to see different ways of doing things that I've yet to try.
Btw, If you follow John Little's work he is all about using Max Contraction training in which you actually do ONE all out high intensity REP. This is for muscle growth not just strength, how do you explain this from what you've just posted?
if a change is what you want and you don't want to get on a 5x5, why not try the shadows old school method. or maybe even the WSB for bodybuilders.
Because I've found something that works for me, why not try this method and see how it works for you before you dismiss it.
Btw, Last year at this time I was appox 195 with 12% BF give or take. Currently I'm sitting at 221 in the AM at 8-10% BF. I have pictures and logs to prove this.. so tell me, what other program do you think would give a bodybuilder such results as this? None that I'm willing to try until this method stops working for me. Over 20lbs of LBM within 12-14months has more than convinced me of this.
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SO if I do quads Sunday, chest/bis mon, hams tues, delts wed, I could give this a shot today or should I take the day off like Iam suppose to?
 
Those workouts seem mighty short to get bodybuilding look so possibly two sessions a day would be in order to get the most bodybuilding bang for your buck. A modified Heavy Duty done for three hours, 6 times a week (with additional workouts on the rest days, just to be sure those muscles are getting good and built up) might be a better idea.

Theres a trainer at my gym likes to get fatties to wobble around on the BOSU with 5lb dumbells in their hands. They are getting great results too, but I'll stick with my 600lb box squats & hope that someday I might build some muscle from it.
 
Tweakle said:
Those workouts seem mighty short to get bodybuilding look so possibly two sessions a day would be in order to get the most bodybuilding bang for your buck. A modified Heavy Duty done for three hours, 6 times a week (with additional workouts on the rest days, just to be sure those muscles are getting good and built up) might be a better idea.

Theres a trainer at my gym likes to get fatties to wobble around on the BOSU with 5lb dumbells in their hands. They are getting great results too, but I'll stick with my 600lb box squats & hope that someday I might build some muscle from it.
Was that sacastic? Can you get by training daily, but short and intense?
 
OK, one last post, since the last one obviously wasn't clear.

Lift progressively, eat caloric surplus, get adequate rest and avoid prolonged over-training. Everything else is just details

Tweakle, you're crazy, man. You'll never grow any muscle lifting that heavy; you're just going to get stronger and then it'll be even harder to grow muscle.
 
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