Mathematical look at frequency of injections

[Zyglamail]

There seem to be two areas of contention here, one is AAS half life which comes into play when the product actually gets into the blood stream and then we also have the rate at which the IM deposit actually gets absorbed by the body and brought into the blood stream. Of course the rate at which the IM deposit gets absorbed seems to vary greatly based on its volume and it location.

 

[Riker29]

blah blah blah.

Its called the Roid Calculator. duh.

Plus, there has been a great Excel spreadsheet floating around which does these calc's for you.

This is not new or earth-shattering news.

People have been saying on the boards all along that Test should be administered 2x a week (the longer ester version that is).

 

[Twisted_Steel]

Ok, this rational seems logical, but lets break this down simply for those of us, like myself, who lack any formal background in biochemistry.

Lets forget about the particular compound and focus on commonly seen ester(s). Therefore would the following schedual's be correct? (Please correct where needed)

1. Acetate(s) = ED
2. Propionates(s) = EOD
3. Enanthates/cypionate/Undecylate(s) = E3D
4. Decanoate(s) I.E. "Nandralone" = E3D?
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Am I on the right track here? I have always favored spreading volume through multiple injections, it just seemed logical to prevent drastic fluctuations.

 

[Twisted_Steel]

Stew, enlighten me. Why on earth would you bash a drug like sustanon and its counterparts? I was under the impression that sustanon was devised so as to ensure that serum blood concentrations of testosterone remain stable. Thus the use of 4 different esters.

 

[panerai]

Sustanon is fine, if used right way. 1-1.5g of Test is a good dose, anyway, so injecting 4-6 times a week will provide great results, as good as with Enanthate or whatever, and ,I'm not sure 100%, but think, that user actually gets more test from Sustanon then from Enanthate( lighter esters in Sust)

 

[Slopain]

Never been a supporter of Mixed Esters After using straight enanthates - and I have been quite vocal about it

TS: Sust/Omnas were not intended for BB'er usage. They keep your levels constant if you use them like they are intended, one shot every 3-4weeks for test therapy. Obviously that doesnt do much for me. Not saying its dangerous at all I used it with great results and not too many sides relatively speaking, but if you can get quality straight enanthate/cypionate for cheaper youd be waisting your money and time on redi's and amps. IMHO.

 

[nandroloner]

Sustanon and the half life of its' esters:

---test ester------------mg----half life
Test Phenylpropionate-----60mg---1 day
Test Propionate----------30mg---3 days
Test Isocaproate---------60mg---7 days
Test Decanoate---------100mg---7 days

So, after 2 days 1/2, then 1/2 again of the Phenylprop (45mg) will be hydrolyzed.
After 3 days, 1/2 of the Prop (15 mg) will be hydrolyzed.
After 7 days, 1/2 of the Iso (30mg) and 1/2 of the Decanoate (50mg) will be hydrolyzed. (80mg total)

Is this the correct way to read the half lives?

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

I prefer to shoot prop ED and tren 2x a day. I just can't stand the feeling of being amped up just half the time, which is what I get with once daily tren shots and EOD prop shots.

As for the slow oil bolus release theory, I haven't seen anything to prove it. My personal experience with no-ester oil based products is that there is no gradual release. Pretty much on the dot 1-2 hours after my oil based test suspension injects I'd get a raging hard-on and quite often a spontanious nose bleed (weird and sorta fucked up). This "high test" feeling would completely subside about 3.5 hours after injection.

 

[conan69]

i need an insulin pump
so i can have a steady amount of test pumped into my body 24hours a day 7 days a week

and watch me grow,

 

[Andy13]

Sustanon and the half life of its' esters:

---test ester------------mg----half life
Test Phenylpropionate-----60mg---1 day
Test Propionate----------30mg---3 days
Test Isocaproate---------60mg---7 days
Test Decanoate---------100mg---7 days

So, after 2 days 1/2, then 1/2 again of the Phenylprop (45mg) will be hydrolyzed.
After 3 days, 1/2 of the Prop (15 mg) will be hydrolyzed.
After 7 days, 1/2 of the Iso (30mg) and 1/2 of the Decanoate (50mg) will be hydrolyzed. (80mg total)

Is this the correct way to read the half lives?

Test Phenylprop MUST have a half life longer than propionate... Where did you get these values for half lives? I think they're off a bit.
You are correct about the half lifes.. Just to clarify though, say the half life of a compound is seven days. Half of it gradually and proportionetly drops out over the course of seven days. You have to use my equation if you want to figure out how much test is released on a day by day basis.


Andy