Masculinization of the face...

[Gorlim]

im telling u surgery was done

 

[wyst]

Tazzie Colomb is another one whose face has changed quite a bit. Don't get me wrong, I like the big fbbs, but I think that something definitely is changing for many of them, and I think it's beyond just gaining and losing facial fat, although that certainly seems to be part of it. I'll try and dig upsome Tazzie pics, but I swear her jaw looks 25% wider than it used to be.

Wyst

 

[dieslgrl]

lets just hope that the new NPC (supposed) "standards" pave the way us up-and-coming female bb's... For me (and most other bodybuilders) this sport is perfomed day to day out of love and not money... What I will accomplish and show on stage is what I percieve as an asthetic, beautiful physique and a feminine face and display of femininity. Growing up as such a tomboy, this is the first time that I am accepted as both strong and beautiful... and no other competitor, no matter how manly she will make herself- could ever make me do that to myself. Bodybuilding is not forever.. your face, your body IS.... if and when that day comes that my face even so much as SLIGHTLY changes, I am done competing... it is just not worth it... You may ask, well "how would you know? You see yourself everyday." Many of my friends and pieces of my family know what I do, and I have warned them all to keep me abreast of any changes... so far there are none... I will show what I believe is beautiful.... Juliette Bergman as the new Ms. O gives me hope in that things can still get better...

I love being a female bodybuilder because I am different, dedicated, strong, and persistent... I love being who I am in the world of female bodybuilders because I set myself in a different standard... Luckily what I want out of bodybuilding is what the judges are claiming to want to see.

Many female bodybuilders who have been in the sport for years are upset that the physiques are looking more "fitness-like", but who the hell wants to see a man with long hair and a boob-job on stage? An extreme level of muscularity with a beautiful stage presence and a beautiful face is something that only few can achieve... I hope that someday I can show that it is possible... and to show young girls that beauty does not have to come in a size zero.

thoughts
dg

 

[wyst]

Interesting post. I know several women who want to try AAS but are scared to. This is helpful information.

Send them to the women's board. Scads of information on the pros and cons. They've got all sorts over there, from confirmed naturals to Deca and test cyclers.

 

[Gorlim]

good read bump

 

[solidspine]

Once the endplates of individual bones are sealed, usually by a persons early twenties the bone can’t continue to grow. Growth hormones could only affect bone growth in very young or younger people, GH is best for us guys in our 50’s

 

[fixerman]

chin will grow no matter how old you are with high dosages or long duration use. Jaw will stop growing if it hasn't already and you are still young and in teens or early twenties (estrogen causes ossification). Cheek bones might grow to some degree if you are in twenties. Nose will grow a little. Skin will get grainy, and pores get bigger. ALl these things make females who jucie, especially the chn thing, look fucked up.

This person does not know what he is talking about at all. Do not read this person's posts or believe what he writes.

The chin will NOT "grow no matter how old you are with high dosages or long duration use". This is flat out wrong, it is not true. The chin stops growing along with the rest of the face when a person reaches maturity. I believe that with women this happens sooner than with men. I think that the early twenties is when it happens with men.

 

[fixerman]

I am taking many advanced classes in bones so I know about this.

The cartilage behind the chin bone never ossifies. It is called Meckel's cartilage. THe chin bone grows for a person's entire life span. ANdrogens are basically what cause the cartilage in the chin to grow. Arnold Schwarzenegger got surgery to reduce his chin because it got so big. Most pro bodybuilders have enormous chins, or get surgery to reduce. In the rare cases that they don't it is from estrogen which inhibits the growth of the cartilage in the chin.

I was so unhappy with this guy's posts that I decided to ask him some stuff.

OK so I actually talked to this guy and found out he never took any advanced classes in bones and says he was drunk on sleeping pills when he wrote this. I wish they would erase his garbage. He was skimming through a basic biology book and made this stuff up.

I don't need to refute it bit by bit, it is all wrong, but I will do some. There is no magic growth plate in the chin that grows like that, the chin stops growing with the rest of the face once a person reaches adulthood. The stuff about Arnold is just pure hogwash. About pro bodybuilders who are presumably on steroids; they don't get surgery to reduce their out of control growing chins, that is almost comical. The bit about estrogen, well it just doesn't work that way.

 

[fixerman]

Some have babyfaces though yes even though they have big chins. Why? because they started juicing real young and all the estrogen causes the cartilage in the jaw bones to ossify prematurely. Hence there face remains somewhat smaller than it otherwise would be. However, GH and high dose androgens can cause the jaw to grow even after the condrocyles there would normaly be done proliferating, because there is a limited amount of cartilage that remains unossified in the jaw bone like in the chin. HOwever this cartilage will only create a particualr kind of growth that causes the jaw to spread outwards, ie. in a square jaw kind of way not downward as is the case during puberty when the jaw lengthens and grows forward. TOm Platz is an example of this. His jaw is real short yet it is like a perfect square. It looks kind of funny. Bottom line, androgens can cause pronounced changes in the facial bone structure even after puberty.

Again more pure bullshit! Again with the chin?! The chin does not keep growing! Also the stuff about the jaw and Tom Platz is all balderdash, and the fancy terms don't matter, it is all wrong. His bottom line is vague and unsubstantiated. If there are changes in facial bones after adulthood that are caused from steroid use they are not the ones that DCS describes.