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Maintaining leg size without squats.

Re: Re: Maintaining leg size without squats.

Quadsweep's Sister said:


At your gym do you have a horizontal leg press? That with you feet close together should not put any strain in the area you are having trouble with as long as you stay parallel. Also, trying close stance on smith machine & leg press as you start to heal. I had some of the same problems when i used to squat heavy with a wide stance. No i have squatter's ass...LOL. Anyway - those are my initial thoughts - hope they are helpful.

I train in our home gym hence my delimma.
I have a limited number of exercises from which to choose. A hip sled and/or a hack machine sho nuff would make things a lot easier.

BTW did you mean to say you DO NOT have sqatters ass? I myself clearly do have the aforementioned affliction. :) They detained me at the airport for suspicion of smuggling soccor balls in my pants.
 
Re: Re: Re: Maintaining leg size without squats.

anya said:

BTW did you mean to say you DO NOT have sqatters ass? I myself clearly do have the aforementioned affliction. :) They detained me at the airport for suspicion of smuggling soccor balls in my pants.

I understand your pain
and my female friends love to point this out
 
TheProject said:
What about lunges? No dumbbells, or do they cause the soreness thing too?

I did incorporate sissies into my last leg workout like lola suggested and got a fantastic pump. She was right. It was such a tiny amount of hip movement I was able to blast quads with no (adductor) pain.

I think lunges though would irritate the adductors again.
 
anya said:


I did incorporate sissies into my last leg workout like lola suggested and got a fantastic pump.


What are sissies? I've never heard of them? Do you get the same results as squats? I have a hard time with squats. I'm 5'11" and it tends to hurt my back...and always my knees. Maybe my form isn't correct, but I'm pretty sure it's not far off. Could sissies replace squats permanently?
 
Angel_Chic1 said:



What are sissies? I've never heard of them? Do you get the same results as squats? I have a hard time with squats. I'm 5'11" and it tends to hurt my back...and always my knees. Maybe my form isn't correct, but I'm pretty sure it's not far off. Could sissies replace squats permanently?

They're called sissy squats because they're supposedly easier to do than conventional squats. I'd only recommend them if you had an injury that prohibited you from doing conventional squats. Regular squats are so valuable because they hit so many muscle groups simultaneously.

Squats always feel more awkward for taller people like yourself. You have less leverage due the length of your legs and you have to decend further than someone my height.

Angel if squats are hurting your back and knees then it is definitely a form problem. Unless you have pre-existing injuries to that areas you should not be feeling pain there. The areas you're complaining about are exactly the spots people with improper form feel pain.

Its likely you're trying to lift the weight with your back rather than keep it perfectly straight and drive off the floor with your legs. Also you are probably on the balls of your feet and leaning forward too much. This is natural tendancy that 99% of people have to deal with when they start squatting. You're trying to recruit your back to help you lift that weight. I'd advise lightening up on the weight and concentrating on form. Sit back as far as you can, you might want to space your feet further apart, and concentrate on pressing up off the floor with your entire foot not just the balls of it.
 
I think Anya's probably right, Angel: if you're feeling pain there, you may need to lighten up the weight and focus on form for a while.


I'm fairly tall, and my husband just gave me an outrageous complement on my squat form, so maybe my experience with squats (which began with much reluctance and fear) would be of value. When I returned to the gym after years away, it was with a lot of joint pain (knees & hip) after years of athletic abuse of my musculo-skeletal structure (long-distance cycling & walking w/o stretching). After doing squats with good form, my kneecaps, which had been tilted and were rubbing, and my bursitic hip, are virtually pain free, minus the occasional ligament soreness in the knees (which I'll take over bone pain any day).

I found I needed the wider stance, and I point my toes outward (I experimented & marked the spot & angle visually on the gym floor). I get under the weight, and walk (carefully) back to my spot, rocking back onto my heels as I fine-tune my feet's position, I stick my tailbone out like in downdog (part of the yogic sun salutation I practice), stick my chin up and open up my chest, making my spine as long as possible (which stretches out the muscles holding your spine and keeps the vertebrae nicely alligned), and sink down, relaxing in the hip until I can't go any farther ("drop right into the hole" is I think how M. put it), then, when my muscles recoil at the depth of the stretch, explode (well, come as close to "explosion" as my energy level will allow) through my heels (actually trying to lift my toes) and rise up. I do my best to make both legs share the load equally.

I also find squats to be one of those exercises for which the rhythm of the breath is so important (like yoga). I hiss on the way down, and exhale forcefully on the way up.

Anya, I hope you're healing well. I thought, personally, that you might benefit from some holistic rest. Our bodies don't really heal locally, but also biochemically, systemically. It seems like anyone's workout in the long run can benefit from occasional deconditioning. Letting pulled muscles or swollen tendons heal (not just by not using them, but my letting your body devote its energy to healing), as well as deprogamming your muscle memory a bit, allegedly allows for more growth with lighter (safer) weights. I'm certainly willing to give it a try. HST has two-week off periods scheduled every six to eight weeks, so I'll be doing it again. It was awkward, and a little depressing in parts, but I know I'll be enjoying it the next time, now that I have confidence that I'll be returning to the gym with plenty of strength...and I'll be ending this on period with heavier maxes than the last one.


Thank you, and good night.
 
O, on re-reading, there's an addition to that form: when I feel my lower back begin to round, I know the weight's too heavy or that that's my last rep.
 
Anya & Wend -

Thanks for the advice! I'll try it next time I work my legs, and I'll let you know my results.
I've always had somewhat of a bad back...in the 8th grade I was on the basketball team and was shoved down by an opponent, and landed on my tailbone. I couldn't walk for about 2 weeks. It hurt so bad. Since then, I've had lower back pain. I don't know why my knees hurt. I used to dance (Jazz & Ballet), and my knees worked fine then. Maybe they're not worked how they should be, and age I'm sure doesn't help..lol.
 
I was thining walking lunges....but that might aggravaite (sp?) the problem....are sissy squats the same as 1/4 squats? i find that is i am having legs problems I go to 1/4 squats...Anya your built like me......maybe just let it rest and you can build those babies up fast girl when your healed, I know you can!!
 
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