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HappyScrappy

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I've been dropping carbs out of my diet each week and replacing them with CLA caps, Fish Oil caps, and Udo's Choice.
So far I haven't seen much drop in energy, and only *slightly* more mentally retarded (my usual reason for not liking the low carb). The extra fats seem to help a bit.
I'm just going slow and easy so far - but I'm also not very low on the carbs yet :)
I'm still up around 200 now. Next week I'll cut down to 100.

The hardest for me, and I don't think I can get rid of it, is the milk.
I love milk - so I've gotten around that by taking 1200mg of ALA every time I have any milk (which is usually 24oz at a time).

This is only the 3rd week of doing this, and lunch is really the only thing that is hurting me right now - I go out with coworkers. Next week I'll start bringing in omlettes for lunch and that should get rid of the 100g of carbs everyday.

Once I cut out the lunch carbs (I will use a little bit of salsa with the omlettes, so that is a bit of carbs there), then pretty much all of my carbs will come from the milk and then fruit and veggies that I eat (one apple, one banana, and a cup or two of broccoli).

In my 3rd week I'm already seeing a pretty good cut in fat, but nothing crazy - just seeing the top abs and intercostals much more cleanly, and all of my back.
The only place I have fat right now is the lower abs and a bit on the sides.

Also, with all the extra fat now, I'm seeing my skin improve greatly. so that is nice.

Anyway - just felt like writing that.

If anyone has any suggestions on how to cut out milk, I'm all ears. I really crave that and only that at this point. In two weeks I might try cutting out the milk every other day and seeing how that feels.

I feel pretty.
 
soya milk

when mixed with soimething else it is milk like

high-ish quality protein

lots of poly and mono unsaturates

0 carbs :)
 
Athernigy said:
DNP is easier.
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LOL
I don't know, I've used DNP before and the sides on that are a bit extreme. Not to mention that I can go about my daily life and not have people ask me what is wrong if I'm on a low carb diet, and I can do it for a long time, and nothing is wrong with it. also, a low carb diet doesn't make me retain water.

DNP on the other hand makes me want to sleep all the time. I feel sick, I sweat through all my clothes. I stain things yellow.
and the WORST part is that it makes me depressed and that lasts a bit of time until it clears out of my system and then everything has to stablize. it prevents the converstion of tryptophan to serotonin, and generally speaking fucking, with serotonin is a bad thing to do.

I can't even really say that I lost a ton of fat on it. you see weight loss for sure, but you can't work out for shit while on it, and it is hard to say if all the weight you lose is really fat.
actually, it is VERY easy to say that it is all fat - but to actually back that up is harder.

when it is all said and done, until I have the sort of lifestyle where I can not leave my apartment for 2 weeks and just sleep the whole time and recover from the ordeal, then I'm not going to do any dnp again.
 
danielson said:
soya milk

when mixed with soimething else it is milk like

high-ish quality protein

lots of poly and mono unsaturates

0 carbs :)
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I avoid soy at all costs.

I don't like the studies that show the human body confusing the soy protein with estrogen.
I have had a few girlfriends start to use soy and see enough results that backed that up, and the studies that are out...

it is enough that I personally am going to avoid it.

if something says it has soy protein in it, I just throw it out or give it to my girlfriend.
 
there were studies posted on diet showing the reduction in test was negligable in men when soya was consumed. i believe anthrax and MS ones up and posted them on a thread by THE BOUNCER to counter a t-mag article he posted
 
HappyScrappy said:


LOL
I don't know, I've used DNP before and the sides on that are a bit extreme. Not to mention that I can go about my daily life and not have people ask me what is wrong if I'm on a low carb diet, and I can do it for a long time, and nothing is wrong with it. also, a low carb diet doesn't make me retain water.

DNP on the other hand makes me want to sleep all the time. I feel sick, I sweat through all my clothes. I stain things yellow.
and the WORST part is that it makes me depressed and that lasts a bit of time until it clears out of my system and then everything has to stablize. it prevents the converstion of tryptophan to serotonin, and generally speaking fucking, with serotonin is a bad thing to do.

I can't even really say that I lost a ton of fat on it. you see weight loss for sure, but you can't work out for shit while on it, and it is hard to say if all the weight you lose is really fat.
actually, it is VERY easy to say that it is all fat - but to actually back that up is harder.

when it is all said and done, until I have the sort of lifestyle where I can not leave my apartment for 2 weeks and just sleep the whole time and recover from the ordeal, then I'm not going to do any dnp again.
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DNP is still better. I'll burn off my left boob with dnp before you can even lose an ounce.

-sk
 
danielson said:
there were studies posted on diet showing the reduction in test was negligable in men when soya was consumed. i believe anthrax and MS ones up and posted them on a thread by THE BOUNCER to counter a t-mag article he posted
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yeah, there are studies that show it, and studies that show those studies are wrong - much like any study I guess :)

all I'm saying is, if I didn't see the stuff in women and in men that I see when I know they use a lot of soy, then I'd be all over it.
but I do, so I avoid it.

I could be wrong on it, that's cool, but I personally don't want to touch the stuff.
 
but the study anthrax and MS posted tore holes into the research previously done, saying it was flawed. comparing the 2 articles, the t-mag one came of as inferior

what do u see in men that use a lot of soy :worried: i drink a litre of it a day when cutting....
 
Athernigy said:


DNP is still better. I'll burn off my left boob with dnp before you can even lose an ounce.

-sk
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I see you haven't gotten any smarter!

Good work HS. I was doing it for a few weeks, but fell off. I hae been dropping some fat with a so-so diet due to the ALA.
 
beastboy said:


I see you haven't gotten any smarter!

Good work HS. I was doing it for a few weeks, but fell off. I hae been dropping some fat with a so-so diet due to the ALA.
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I did 21 days of dnp and a good portion of that on 750mg, I was sitting next to a really hot girl when doing it ... then they moved my seat. :mad:

-sk
 
The first time I did DNP I was sweating my ass off at a party. I was just standing in the corner not talking to anyone.
I was just finishing up a deca and sust cycle and this girl just came up and started grinding against me out of nowhere.
I had no clue what to do, and was all sweaty.
I laughed and went to get some ice.
Later she said "you hot eh?" and then shoved my face into her chest.

that right there made me a big believer in pheromones.

As for actually using DNP, like I said, I've used it - regular and crystal, and I likely even know more than you about it, how it works, why it works, and I've probably done dumber things with it than you.

but in the end, I'm older and wiser, and not in any hurry (I have all winter, and even then, I'm not really in a hurry) - so I'm gonna stick with the diet and exercise route :)
(a very recent change in attitude - a year ago I would have just been doing dnp)

and danielson, I have one friend that has been drinking soy since he was 12. The man is hairless, skinny, and weak. Show me a man with low test levels, and I'll show you a man that is hairless, skinny, and weak.
(technically if his test levels are truly low, he should put fat on in the abs more readily, and he should grow breast tissue more readily as well - he did sort of have tiny man boobs - but he was a runner and burned off some of the calories).
I have another friend that stopped using the soy because he noticed he was much calmer when he used it... and he didn't like that - lol.
I have had 3 girlfriends that used it and noticed their breasts grow in size and their periods change in nature, and their skin clear up.

I agree with you that there have been studies that point fingers at the other studies and say they are bunk - but all studies are like that. They get funding and have egos behind their ideas, so they are going to have some personal time and values vested in it, and want success - one of the annoying things in how a lot of stuides are done - one of the things to always look for in a "study" - see who is paying for it, what they are saying, and who stands to gain from what is being said.

If it were the same lab that posted one study, and then later came out and said "our bad, that was waaay off" then I'd trust it more.

and again, I'm not saying I'm right here - I'm just saying that I personally don't want to use it b/c I don't trust it from what I have seen.
 
Athernigy said:
Hmm, did something dumber than me while on dnp? Yea, true ... cause you're dumb. ;)
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LOL
yeah - I sure as hell felt dumb when I did it.

I had an early batch of crystal and nobody told me that it worked totally differently than the regular stuff.
dumbass me should have looked into it more first, but instead took 3 (200mg) caps in an hour.

that was a scary weekend.
 
just do a search on it.
alpha lipoic acid.
also known as thioctic acid.

the r-ala version is quite popular right now, and AF Store sells it.

I would say more, but the people that talk about general r-ala facts and don't out and out worship it tend to getted their threads deleted - so feel free to research it on your own :)
 
***Nathan throws his pom-pom's in the air and then does a back flip, smoothly dropping into the spilts and catches his pom-pom's. He begins to cheer wildly, yelling at the top of his lungs:***

GGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....HAPPYSCRAPPY!!!!!
 
HMM, ill take it under advisement HS.....

ive not noticed any change.....and im always calm. now im off it im way hornier than usual but i think thats from my lack of rubbing out these days :(
 
LOL
Scrap - um....bud - 200 grams and you are feeling normal???


LOL


low carbs - hah - try under 50 per day for 8 weeks with on e carb day per 7.
 
when I eat whatever I want, I tend to get 150-300g of carbs in a day.

once I get under 100 I start to notice that I feel dumber - but in the past I have not added fat in to replace that.

looking at my fitday, the only carbs are coming from the morning protein bars, milk, fruit, and broccoli - and little bits fro the designer whey.
I cut out the protein bars as of today. I will cut out the milk next week.

that should get me under 50 - if not, I'll drop the fruit.

I'm just taking it slow - in the past I just dove in and didn't like it.
dropping 100g each week makes it much easier.
 
WTF?!

I thought you were a couch potato. Good for you HS if you're on the road to less bodyfat. Cutting is a bitch. Hell, I'm bulking right now and I'm getting sick of eating!:FRlol:
 
HappyScrappy said:


LOL
yeah - I sure as hell felt dumb when I did it.

I had an early batch of crystal and nobody told me that it worked totally differently than the regular stuff.
dumbass me should have looked into it more first, but instead took 3 (200mg) caps in an hour.

that was a scary weekend.
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Yea that does suck, but I really didn't experience too much side effects on dl's underdossed shit. I went as high as 750mg, or at least what he claims it was ...

-sk
 
I'm 6'3" and at about 200lbs or so.

I was just sort of eating whatever I wanted and noticed that since I'm not on stuff anymore, I was losing my abs that I've always had.
shutting down your natural test does some mean things to your abs I guess :)

so I got onto fitday.com and started tracking what I was eating and saw that I was around 2000 something and barely getting 200g of protein *after* I started trying tp push that again.
so I pretty much could tell right there why I had lost a lot of weight :)
added some belly fat due to lower test levels.

I changed my diet to add way more fat (good fats only - CLA, fish oils, and udo's choice - trying to get 100g or more a day), and upped my protein to swing between 200 and 300g.
trying to drop my carbs down to zero (or at least in the double digits with only fruit and broccoli being the source of them).

I'm only in like the 3rd week of doing this... maybe 2nd - I'm pretty laid back about it.

already seeing a lot of results in mass and strength. :)

I suppose that is one nice thing about never being that big in the first place :)

(I ran xc and track in high school and college, and was always very low bodyfat, so for me to be at about 12% - where I am now - that is major porko level for me. once I drop down to totally cut abs, then I'll probably ease the carbs back in to see what level works for me - like I said, so far I'm not really having any probs with it at all)
 
HappyScrappy said:
I'm 6'3" and at about 200lbs or so.

I was just sort of eating whatever I wanted and noticed that since I'm not on stuff anymore, I was losing my abs that I've always had.
shutting down your natural test does some mean things to your abs I guess :)

so I got onto fitday.com and started tracking what I was eating and saw that I was around 2000 something and barely getting 200g of protein *after* I started trying tp push that again.
so I pretty much could tell right there why I had lost a lot of weight :)
added some belly fat due to lower test levels.

I changed my diet to add way more fat (good fats only - CLA, fish oils, and udo's choice - trying to get 100g or more a day), and upped my protein to swing between 200 and 300g.
trying to drop my carbs down to zero (or at least in the double digits with only fruit and broccoli being the source of them).

I'm only in like the 3rd week of doing this... maybe 2nd - I'm pretty laid back about it.

already seeing a lot of results in mass and strength. :)

I suppose that is one nice thing about never being that big in the first place :)

(I ran xc and track in high school and college, and was always very low bodyfat, so for me to be at about 12% - where I am now - that is major porko level for me. once I drop down to totally cut abs, then I'll probably ease the carbs back in to see what level works for me - like I said, so far I'm not really having any probs with it at all)
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DNP my man, and you will be in the single digits in no time. :D

-sk
 
HappyScrappy said:


I avoid soy at all costs.

I don't like the studies that show the human body confusing the soy protein with estrogen.
I have had a few girlfriends start to use soy and see enough results that backed that up, and the studies that are out...

it is enough that I personally am going to avoid it.

if something says it has soy protein in it, I just throw it out or give it to my girlfriend.
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You could try almond milk.

its in the Atkins recipe book.

Tastes surprisingly good. Very low carb, some fat and some protein.

My sister can't get enough of it.

Fonz
 
Most days I would say I eat ~70 g of carbs or less. The first few days can be tough if I've been slacking with my diet for a while, but after that I feel kinda hung-over after I have high carb intakes. I've noticed significant differences with water-retention post carb-up with ala.
 
Y_Lifter said:
HS.. BIG PROPS to you man for getting that low.
Corn/Blanch is just inhuman so he doesn't count...

.
http://www.lactose.net/
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on the off chance that is a compliment -I shall hold off on the massive precision negative karma carpet bombing....
 
lol - sk* keeps telling me about DNP. too funny since I'm one of the dipshits that used to run it all the time.
I used to run crystal one day of the week while on fina :)

I'm just not in any hurry and I'm trying out a higher fat diet to see what happens.

yeah - I saw mention of almond milk before - when I was younger my dad was very anti-fat and I ended up trying all kinds of different things, but I sure do love me the milk.
not sure why - some people hate it, some love it - I'm one of the latter.

anyway, I'm not sure when this will start getting tough, but I figure so far it really isn't so bad.

today was a cardio day, so I skipped breakfast and hit a NYC and then ran a little over 3 miles and got really sweaty.
wasn't hungry - that stuff is too good at that.
I need the hunger, I mainly just want the yohimbe and some ffa going.

word.
 
I actually don't have anything against dnp.
I just don't have a lifestyle now where I could use it without consequences.
like I said, if I had the sort of lifestyle where I could just disappear for 2 weeks, I would do the dnp for a week, sleep the whole time, and then take the next week to recover and drop the bloat.
then I would resurface back into the world and do my thing.

but my current employer is really uptight about me showing up everyday, and I sweat, piss, and have explosive shits enough as it is.
 
HappyScrappy said:
lol - sk* keeps telling me about DNP. too funny since I'm one of the dipshits that used to run it all the time.
I used to run crystal one day of the week while on fina :)

I'm just not in any hurry and I'm trying out a higher fat diet to see what happens.

yeah - I saw mention of almond milk before - when I was younger my dad was very anti-fat and I ended up trying all kinds of different things, but I sure do love me the milk.
not sure why - some people hate it, some love it - I'm one of the latter.

anyway, I'm not sure when this will start getting tough, but I figure so far it really isn't so bad.

today was a cardio day, so I skipped breakfast and hit a NYC and then ran a little over 3 miles and got really sweaty.
wasn't hungry - that stuff is too good at that.
I need the hunger, I mainly just want the yohimbe and some ffa going.

word.
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I am actually really curious on your previous cycles, are they a government secret or can you let me in on them? ;) By the way dnp+fina is a very good idea if you can stand the heat ...

-sk
 
i miss reading the hs posts about anavar for breakfast, et

here is pic of his happy trail

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if you mean dnp cycles, there were a bunch I guess. a few with powder that were never that bad.
then a bunch with the crystal - the first one of that being the one that nearly killed me b/c I'm a dipshit and didn't ask around first (it was one of the first batches, if not the first).

crystal made me bloat too much and it hit hard and fast.
I was too worthless while on - there was no point doing more than a cap every 24 hours of the crystal, and it just made me miserable - not the heat, but the depression.
I ended up getting around that by dieting all week while on fina, and then Friday night taking a cap at work around 6pm, and then if I went out with friends at all (which I usually avoid even when not on anything), I'd just chug cranberry juice all night, and they would all look at me weird as I sweat a lot.
then I'd sleep in sat morn, and get up and have a box of dunkin donuts munchkins, a 20oz glass of milk, a huge handful of ALA caps, and then go to sleep until that evening, and then I'd have a mcD supersized number 3 with a coke, another huge handful of ala, and then sleep until sunday.
sunday I'd have a large bowl of honey nut cheerios and milk, and a huge handful of ala, and then I'd sleep until the evening.
then I'd go shopping and still be sweating.
I'd have my usual weekday dinner of beef and broccoli and then I'd chill out and go to bed normally.
monday I would still be a bit sweaty and depressed, but it would clear up by tuesday and my lifts all during the week never really suffered.
I did that for awhile and got pretty cut.

actual multiple day cycles of crystal to me are just too much if you have any sort of life.
I had (and still don't really), no life, so I could get away with the above one.
to do anything else, I'd need to be in a situation where I could just disappear for a week or two.
maybe in college if you aren't one of those types that goes to classes.
 
Nah, not dnp ... gear, and also what were your stats before starting? :) By the way, I do freaky stuff when it comes to gear and dnp and slin and shit but I am still a little weary of crystal ...

-sk
 
Athernigy said:
Nah, not dnp ... gear, and also what were your stats before starting? :) By the way, I do freaky stuff when it comes to gear and dnp and slin and shit but I am still a little weary of crystal ...

-sk
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lol, oh regular cycles.

yeah, I tried all kinds of shit.

it was totally wasted on me - I never got all that big. I was *bigger* for sure, but I'm not all that far off from that size now and I'm natural.
the main thing gear allowed me to do was shed bodyfat easily.
and sex. sex was fun.

I won't do slin, but I tried pgf2a just out of curiosity (it won't kill you, just makes you dump readily and makes me nauseous (sp?) - pgf2a will increase insluin sensitivity though and therefore you need less of it to get the same results - so it has that).

if I was ever doing stuff again, then I'd probably only do short two week cycles of high doses of fina and test. then I'd take 4 to 6 weeks off with lots of clomid, nolva, and hcg.
but I'm not on anything, so I use a lot of ALA and protein.
 
HappyScrappy said:


lol, oh regular cycles.

yeah, I tried all kinds of shit.

it was totally wasted on me - I never got all that big. I was *bigger* for sure, but I'm not all that far off from that size now and I'm natural.
the main thing gear allowed me to do was shed bodyfat easily.
and sex. sex was fun.

I won't do slin, but I tried pgf2a just out of curiosity (it won't kill you, just makes you dump readily and makes me nauseous (sp?) - pgf2a will increase insluin sensitivity though and therefore you need less of it to get the same results - so it has that).

if I was ever doing stuff again, then I'd probably only do short two week cycles of high doses of fina and test. then I'd take 4 to 6 weeks off with lots of clomid, nolva, and hcg.
but I'm not on anything, so I use a lot of ALA and protein.
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Who needs ALA and protein when you can have 10g of test per week? Man wake up and smell the dnp, this is the 21st century, we do things the easy way ...

-sk
 
mil when gone will increase carb craving so be ready for this. milk or dairy period always helps with carb cravings but are never part of my diet routine. also like the added efa's and cla as it helps with the carb cravings. even when i was on a contest diet low carbs i would eat some almonds to help cut cravings.
 
aha! that must be why I don't get the cravings... aside from craving milk. (this is the part where people should edit this and say I'm "craving cock")

I only do the milk with dinner at this point - 24oz with 1200mg of ALA this eve.

if I can't take it when it is gone, I'll do a day with it, a day without, and see how that goes.
I'm not trying to toture myself, just curious how I can handle this and how it makes me feel.
 
I'd like to send a big "fuck you" to all the low-carb people on this thread, who are passed the inital sick-as-shit feeling. I started bodyops on monday and right now I feel like I've been simultaniously fucked in the ass and kicked in the balls.

On the plus side, I've found I can drop alomst 2% bf per week on zero-carbs (no juice/drugs either btw).

Just felt like sharing. Now, I have salami that must be eaten... :(
 
MUAHHAHAHAHAHA

750mg's sust 10 weeks, 600mg deca 10 eeks, and 40mg dbol 4 weeks to start in 10 days
 
jesus 2 said:
are you leaner or fatter than this?

8.jpg


where do you hope to get with this diet?
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if you meant me, then I'd say fatter than that now.
that was like 8 months ago and I was coming off of fina with high cortisol levels as a result (meaning lots of fat burning... but lots of muscle burning too).
now you can see why I stopped gear - I wasn't doing a good enough job of putting on size - I can do that naturally (but it sure as hell makes it easier to keep fat off).

in that pic you can see my lower abs still have fat - or at least look like they have it.
I have a bulge there from a hernia of the belly button (not sure what the technical term is).
the doc said it wasn't worth it to operate, but until I do, my gut sticks out there a little and if you reach in above the belly button, you can feel a hole in my gut.
it is gross - it would be cool to get so cut you could see it :)
I used to do pgf2a shots right there, wonder if that did something?
don't know.

anyway - in terms of where I am now - I am a little fatter than that.
not sure what percent bf that is there - I never really trust the caliper methods and my tanita scale is worthless.
so say that pic is 10% bf, I'm at like 12-15% now then.

with this diet I'm still putting on mass, yet seem to be losing fat (part of it is that I'm getting back into lifting and eating right again after too much time off - 3-6 months probably of me being retarded).

as for my goals - I'm not really sure. I tend to overdo things all too often - so if I set a concrete goal for myself, I will reach it - I will do all that I can to get there fast and do it really well.
but that sort of thing is too stressful and I don't need the stress.

so I'm kind of just playing around with the diet and will do it for as long as I can, tapering down and then coming up again to see how it feels.

it would be nice to get down to the bodyfat levels I had when I ran competetively, but from what the doctors told me back then, it was too low and causing health issues.
so I'll settle for a little pudge these days :)

(plus, my gf said she didn't like the totally sliced abs look, but my gay friends tell me that they think it looks hot... and I'm pretty sure I know which ones I'd rather impress ;) )

In terms of that pic, my biceps are a little bigger now, my tris a little smaller, my shoulders are larger in the front, smaller in the back.
my forearms are smaller, my legs are smaller, my chest is bigger (some fat though), my lats are bigger, my lower back is less cut, my upper back is slightly smaller, and overall I'm much weaker - although about the same in the bis.

I know you care :)

those pictures are funny - I could probably put up better pictures now of me today, and I'm in worse shape - but the lighting in my new place is better than in the apartment where those were taken.
 
Cornholio said:
LOL
Scrap - um....bud - 200 grams and you are feeling normal???


LOL


low carbs - hah - try under 50 per day for 8 weeks with on e carb day per 7.
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try 10 carbs a day without a carb up----talk about feeling retarded for a while, but it goes away
 
jennifer said:


try 10 carbs a day without a carb up----talk about feeling retarded for a while, but it goes away
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According to Lyle and Dan Duchaine, it takes 3 weeks for the body to adapt its metabolsim from glucose based to ketone based.

Personally, I can't even do basic math while on low carb.
Can't focus worth a damn. Even after 6 weeks. Isocaloric
is better.

Fonz
 
Fonz said:


According to Lyle and Dan Duchaine, it takes 3 weeks for the body to adapt its metabolsim from glucose based to ketone based.

Personally, I can't even do basic math while on low carb.
Can't focus worth a damn. Even after 6 weeks. Isocaloric
is better.

Fonz
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Could you explain Isocaloric for me??
 
EmptyWallet said:


Could you explain Isocaloric for me??
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Iso-caloric = Iso-linear or equal parts

Equal parts of protein/fat/carbs

So, 33% protein/ 33% fat/ 33% Fat

Fonz
 
Fonz said:


According to Lyle and Dan Duchaine, it takes 3 weeks for the body to adapt its metabolsim from glucose based to ketone based.

Personally, I can't even do basic math while on low carb.
Can't focus worth a damn. Even after 6 weeks. Isocaloric
is better.

Fonz
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Same here, I hate going low carbs.

-sk
 
i feel tired right now. probably from the lack of carbs. only 30g a day, and 40g of highly glycemic carbs right after i work out on workout days. i just better lose fat! excuse me as i go back to eating my boiled eggs. thank you.


jesu2
 
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