Liver discomfort/pain

[rikishi]

I ran PPlex for 6 weeks at 40 mg. Only 2 days ago (the second day of PCT) I started noticing some sort of cramping/discomfort in the right side of my midsection in the liver area. Today the pain has gotten a little worse. However, the pain will only throb for a few seconds, then it goes away and I seem to only feel it when I think about it. I didn't feel anything during the cycle.

I took milk thistle everyday throughout the cycle and now I am taking Milk Thistle along with NAC and rALA.

My skin isn't yellow or anything like that. Does anybody have any other advice on what else I should do? Is the pain going to go away in a few days or is this something I need to worry about?

 

[fibercarbon]

goto a doctor and get blood work to get your liver values checked

 

[dabuffguy]

I ran PPlex for 6 weeks at 40 mg. Only 2 days ago (the second day of PCT) I started noticing some sort of cramping/discomfort in the right side of my midsection in the liver area. Today the pain has gotten a little worse. However, the pain will only throb for a few seconds, then it goes away and I seem to only feel it when I think about it. I didn't feel anything during the cycle.

I took milk thistle everyday throughout the cycle and now I am taking Milk Thistle along with NAC and rALA.

My skin isn't yellow or anything like that. Does anybody have any other advice on what else I should do? Is the pain going to go away in a few days or is this something I need to worry about?

I seriously doubt that 6 weeks at 40mg of methylated orals gave you liver damage. Doctors give anadrol to anaemic children for extended periods of time at a higher dose than that.

It is probably just a coincidnce that you are cramping at this time. The fact that you are off when it started cramping shows that it is proably not related to the steroids.

I have had random abdominal cramps for a couple days at a time in accute areas for no apparent reason before.


Did you drink alcohol regularly while on?



If it was damaged you would feel it constantly I would think.



Give it a couple more days. If it doesn't go away, then go to the doc.

 

[rikishi]

I seriously doubt that 6 weeks at 40mg of methylated orals gave you liver damage. Doctors give anadrol to anaemic children for extended periods of time at a higher dose than that.

It is probably just a coincidnce that you are cramping at this time. The fact that you are off when it started cramping shows that it is proably not related to the steroids.

I have had random abdominal cramps for a couple days at a time in accute areas for no apparent reason before.


Did you drink alcohol regularly while on?



If it was damaged you would feel it constantly I would think.



Give it a couple more days. If it doesn't go away, then go to the doc.

I only had alcohol once. Like a genius, I drank on new years despite on the last week of the cycle. i didnt drink to ridiculous excess though, i kept it at about 8 drinks and for someone at my size that isnt too much in one night.

thanks for the advice. i dont think anything is damaged either, but im a worrier and wanted some second opinions.

 

[dabuffguy]

I only had alcohol once. Like a genius, I drank on new years despite on the last week of the cycle. i didnt drink to ridiculous excess though, i kept it at about 8 drinks and for someone at my size that isnt too much in one night.

thanks for the advice. i dont think anything is damaged either, but im a worrier and wanted some second opinions.

You are most likely just fine.

It was a valid concern.

Some people make liver toxicity sound like it has lead and mercury in it and will possibly kill you at another week or 10mg higher dose.


Someone could probably take 100mg daily for 6 months before they get any real serious issues.


Ask AAP about him using winny for 34 weeks staright he had zero issues with it. Now, I would NEVER suggests anything remotely that lengthy, but you get the idea that this isn't going to be putting anyone in the hospital that is already a healthy person.

 

[rikishi]

You are most likely just fine.

It was a valid concern.

Some people make liver toxicity sound like it has lead and mercury in it and will possibly kill you at another week or 10mg higher dose.


Someone could probably take 100mg daily for 6 months before they get any real serious issues.


Ask AAP about him using winny for 34 weeks staright he had zero issues with it. Now, I would NEVER suggests anything remotely that lengthy, but you get the idea that this isn't going to be putting anyone in the hospital that is already a healthy person.

interesting. why are we advised to run orals at a maximum of 6 weeks then? to err on the side of caution? i would think gains would be easier to keep run at 8-10 weeks rather than 6.

 

[dabuffguy]

interesting. why are we advised to run orals at a maximum of 6 weeks then? to err on the side of caution? i would think gains would be easier to keep run at 8-10 weeks rather than 6.

^^^

Exactly.

That, and HPTA suppression and recovery would be more difficult.

 

[rikishi]

^^^

Exactly.

That, and HPTA suppression and recovery would be more difficult.

thanks again dabuffguy, you and needto are ridiculously helpful. you deserve some sort of award.

 

[itz486]

Liver supps kick that organ into high gear, those drinks you had were compounded by the supps you were taking, I would drop the milk thistle for good and stick with the NAC and RLA..

 

[fibercarbon]

good advice!!!

 

[2evil]

Ask AAP about him using winny for 34 weeks staright he had zero issues with it. Now, I would NEVER suggests anything remotely that lengthy, but you get the idea that this isn't going to be putting anyone in the hospital that is already a healthy person.

Thinking again about extending this Monsterdrol/ 1-T cycle to 6 weeks!

 

[dabuffguy]

Thinking again about extending this Monsterdrol/ 1-T cycle to 6 weeks!

 

[SouthernLord]

What kind of gains did you get off of the PPlex Cycle Rikishi? What brand was it?

I would not be too worried about it. If it was persistent pain, or if it worsened I would get it checked out.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to get your your liver values checked out just to see where you stand.

 

[rikishi]

What kind of gains did you get off of the PPlex Cycle Rikishi? What brand was it?

I would not be too worried about it. If it was persistent pain, or if it worsened I would get it checked out.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to get your your liver values checked out just to see where you stand.

Excellent gains. I gained a good solid 20 lbs in 6 weeks. What's weird though is that since coming off, I've actually gained another 2 lbs during PCT and it's definitely muscle. My belly actually feels tighter. However, I did not run it alone. I stacked it with 1-t. 1-t looks like a good product, but for the amount of money I paid for it I do not recommend stacking it with PPlex. My friend ran PPlex the same time I started for 4 weeks and gained 14 lbs. Based on that, I'd say it's safe to say 6 weeks of just PPlex would give minimum 17 lbs, possibly more. The extra $150 I paid for 1-t was not worth the extra 2-3 lbs I may have gained. If I were to use 1-t again, I'd stack 1-t with either Monsterdrol or TrenXXL, or just run 1-t by itself.

Oh yeah, the brand was P-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs

 

[SouthernLord]

Excellent gains. I gained a good solid 20 lbs in 6 weeks. What's weird though is that since coming off, I've actually gained another 2 lbs during PCT and it's definitely muscle. My belly actually feels tighter. However, I did not run it alone. I stacked it with 1-t. 1-t looks like a good product, but for the amount of money I paid for it I do not recommend stacking it with PPlex. My friend ran PPlex the same time I started for 4 weeks and gained 14 lbs. Based on that, I'd say it's safe to say 6 weeks of just PPlex would give minimum 17 lbs, possibly more. The extra $150 I paid for 1-t was not worth the extra 2-3 lbs I may have gained. If I were to use 1-t again, I'd stack 1-t with either Monsterdrol or TrenXXL, or just run 1-t by itself.

Oh yeah, the brand was P-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs

Very nice!!!!

I have a few bottles of PPlex put back I would like to use.

I am starting Icon 3 caps ed for 6 weeks to see what it is all about. I am not changing anything in my current training, diet or supplementation to see just how effective it is. I think it should be a good product based off of how effective 11-oxo has been. I would be happy with 5-10 pounds of lbm and an equal amount of fat loss. We shall see.

 

[2evil]

Excellent gains. I gained a good solid 20 lbs in 6 weeks. What's weird though is that since coming off, I've actually gained another 2 lbs during PCT and it's definitely muscle. My belly actually feels tighter. However, I did not run it alone. I stacked it with 1-t. 1-t looks like a good product, but for the amount of money I paid for it I do not recommend stacking it with PPlex. My friend ran PPlex the same time I started for 4 weeks and gained 14 lbs. Based on that, I'd say it's safe to say 6 weeks of just PPlex would give minimum 17 lbs, possibly more. The extra $150 I paid for 1-t was not worth the extra 2-3 lbs I may have gained. If I were to use 1-t again, I'd stack 1-t with either Monsterdrol or TrenXXL, or just run 1-t by itself.

Oh yeah, the brand was P-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs

Ya never know - your gains could be equally attributable to 1-T. You may gain totally differently than your friend. Then again, you may be right.

In any event, to gain 20lbs on an OTC cycle and retain it is awesome!

 

[joe d]

I ran PPlex for 6 weeks at 40 mg. Only 2 days ago (the second day of PCT) I started noticing some sort of cramping/discomfort in the right side of my midsection in the liver area. Today the pain has gotten a little worse. However, the pain will only throb for a few seconds, then it goes away and I seem to only feel it when I think about it. I didn't feel anything during the cycle.

I took milk thistle everyday throughout the cycle and now I am taking Milk Thistle along with NAC and rALA.

My skin isn't yellow or anything like that. Does anybody have any other advice on what else I should do? Is the pain going to go away in a few days or is this something I need to worry about?

yes you should be worried. but just worried enough to make getting to a doctor your top priority. tell the doctor what you where taking also. time is something you dont have when something is wrong. if you wait until it gets bad the problem can be a lot worse.

 

[sensational]

I am pretty sure the liver itself has no pain receptors, only the gall bladder.. I highly doubt this is related.

 

[needtogetaas]

thanks again dabuffguy, you and needto are ridiculously helpful. you deserve some sort of award.

 

[cbodd]

When did your gains start kicking in rishiki ? I have been taking 20mg of p-plex and 90mg of trenxxl for a week now and 2morrow starts my 2nd week and just waiting for it to really kick in ......... thanks bro....later

 

[cbodd]

wow I just saw your taking 40mg of pplex.. thats 4 caps a day !!! I thought 2 was the maximum which is what I am taking... maybe I should bump it up to 3 if that makes a difference ???

 

[rikishi]

When did your gains start kicking in rishiki ? I have been taking 20mg of p-plex and 90mg of trenxxl for a week now and 2morrow starts my 2nd week and just waiting for it to really kick in ......... thanks bro....later

you should definitely take 30 mg of pplex at least. but only take over 30 mg if you are over 220 lbs.

 

[dabuffguy]

wow I just saw your taking 40mg of pplex.. thats 4 caps a day !!! I thought 2 was the maximum which is what I am taking... maybe I should bump it up to 3 if that makes a difference ???

3 is fine.

2 is enough if you are stacking it with somehing else though.

 

[firefighter337]

I am pretty sure the liver itself has no pain receptors, only the gall bladder.. I highly doubt this is related.

If the liver is swollen, it will distend against the rib cage. Causing a "full" feeling. The same feeling you get when you eat too much.

The liver will also spasm when passing fatty/cholesterol deposits. Maybe the discomfort he was feeling temporarily. Also, the gallbladder will do the same thing. Could be that you have gallstones.

Blood work would be the wisest thing to do. Why not? Just go tell the doctor what has been going on, tell him you want a routine blood panel done. Is 100% free through many, many insurance companies. It is considered a "Diagnostic" procedure.

My 2 cents.

 

[cbodd]

Yeah I am stacking it with trenxxl but I am bumping it up today for the next week to 30mg and see if that changes anything .... thanks for the replies bros.......................