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Lift big to get big? What do YOU think??
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This dude who used to lift at my gym was weak to say the least, lat pulldowns of 160 was his working set, but he was fuckin swole and ripped to the bone. I personally can put on size but i never can get really strong. 18.5 inch arms with only a 65lb dummy curl for 5 reps. Im going to focus on heavy set being 6 reps min. The more reps, the more tearing down, the more rebuilding.
Im beating my head against a brick wall trying to get strong with my lifting partners, i just dont think will get there.....i can get bigger though.
Im beating my head against a brick wall trying to get strong with my lifting partners, i just dont think will get there.....i can get bigger though.
marvelous54
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bigrand said:
That's your problem right there bro. I had a problem with strength gains years ago (at around 20yrs old). I feel like I know a little about training and I knew what I was doing should stimulate strength gains. I actually used a tip from a HS coach that use to tell me "when you get set before every play you have to KNOW you are better than the man in front of you, don't just think it... know it!". I started using that with my lifting. I would know before I went to the gym how much I was going to lift before I got there (I used the weight from the week before and added to it appropriately).
e.g. At the time I was working with 275 for 5 x 5's on bp. The next week I would put 285 on the bar and do it. Of course there were some weeks I couldn't get all 5 sets but for about 3 months my bp went up faster than it ever did or has. I started to plateau some at that point but by then I was working out with 335 for 5 x 5's.
I promise you the only thing I did differently was my mental preparation. I just truly believed I was going to lift the weight I had on the bar!
Good luck bro!
On the surface this question seems very simple, but it isn't. I for the most part, believe in the 6 - 8 heavy method. But after weeks of that, I get fatigued but I don't feel the soreness the next few days. Just the fatigue. However if I do say, 3 weeks heavy, then hit 5 or 6 sets of 13 like I did the other day for biceps, I felt and still feel it. To make a long story short: go primarily heavy, but change it up on occasion. Your body is an extremely adaptive force.
marvelous54 said:That's your problem right there bro. I had a problem with strength gains years ago (at around 20yrs old). I feel like I know a little about training and I knew what I was doing should stimulate strength gains. I actually used a tip from a HS coach that use to tell me "when you get set before every play you have to KNOW you are better than the man in front of you, don't just think it... know it!". I started using that with my lifting. I would know before I went to the gym how much I was going to lift before I got there (I used the weight from the week before and added to it appropriately).
e.g. At the time I was working with 275 for 5 x 5's on bp. The next week I would put 285 on the bar and do it. Of course there were some weeks I couldn't get all 5 sets but for about 3 months my bp went up faster than it ever did or has. I started to plateau some at that point but by then I was working out with 335 for 5 x 5's.
I promise you the only thing I did differently was my mental preparation. I just truly believed I was going to lift the weight I had on the bar!
Good luck bro!
Yeah, im a pessamist, all my lifting buddys tell me that too! There have been too many times where i went in week and week out and the weight never got easier, sometimes harder, its supposed to get easier each week with the same weights. I would always go heavier then work till i could eventually rep it 8 times, then go heavier. Hit a point where the weight never got any easier. I want to hit it and i push it, but it just doesnt go, even when i go in there with a pissed off demenor and on a mission. Im injured now and want to go back with a vengance in about 2 weeks, ill regroup and rededicate and see what happens.
marvelous54
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bigrand said:
Yeah, there's a guy I work out with occasionally just like that. I'm sure you do fine I was just pointing out the obvious. Good luck with the injury recovery bro!
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immortalis
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I have a consistent routine I follow. I follow this plan for approx 25 weeks before starting over.
Week 1 I always start off 3 x 10.
Starting with week 3, i add another set. 4 x 10
Week 4 i lower the last set to 8 reps and increase the weight 3 x 10, 1 x 8
I follow this same type of style... increasing sets, lowering reps and increasing weight.
By week 21 + I am usually doing 6 sets of 5,5,5,4,4,3
I follow that same pattern until I get to where I am doing 4,4,4,3,2,1
After that I usually will take 1 week to do a 1 rep max test to see where I stand, then start all over at the top with 3 x 10.
This has always seemed to suit me well.
Week 1 I always start off 3 x 10.
Starting with week 3, i add another set. 4 x 10
Week 4 i lower the last set to 8 reps and increase the weight 3 x 10, 1 x 8
I follow this same type of style... increasing sets, lowering reps and increasing weight.
By week 21 + I am usually doing 6 sets of 5,5,5,4,4,3
I follow that same pattern until I get to where I am doing 4,4,4,3,2,1
After that I usually will take 1 week to do a 1 rep max test to see where I stand, then start all over at the top with 3 x 10.
This has always seemed to suit me well.
MadManiac13
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I'm more of an athlete than a body builder....so getting to big slows me down. I've done it before, was about 250 and was huge, but the slowest man on the planet. I'm much better overall around 205 or so. It's hard, I mix up days of heavy klifting with high reps, also plyometrics, etc. This keeps me both strong and fast. Just what works for me, though.
mr_disfunkshun
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Hummm good question
it would depend what you are training for? just to look big at the club or to compete , its one thing to lift big BUT i have seen guys lift crazy weight at the gym and not have any form using secondary muscles to help so my veiw is what was said by my favorite Pro Shawn Ray ,"lift for tomorrow not today" meaning train yourself right learn style and form and size will come if you want to impress people in the gym than thats all you will ever do , i have trained for years and its hard to not want size but i know there are steps becasue there are the guys at every gym that look so stupid with big arms and chest NO TRAPS NO QUADS NO CALVES they push crazy weight but really look at them....?????
My 2 cents
it would depend what you are training for? just to look big at the club or to compete , its one thing to lift big BUT i have seen guys lift crazy weight at the gym and not have any form using secondary muscles to help so my veiw is what was said by my favorite Pro Shawn Ray ,"lift for tomorrow not today" meaning train yourself right learn style and form and size will come if you want to impress people in the gym than thats all you will ever do , i have trained for years and its hard to not want size but i know there are steps becasue there are the guys at every gym that look so stupid with big arms and chest NO TRAPS NO QUADS NO CALVES they push crazy weight but really look at them....?????
My 2 cents
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