Lab Review - Help please

[MaRsBoi]

Gents,

First let me apologize for the username. It's a 10 year old account.

Apologies for the lengthy post but facts are good. Also, please note this request is for TRT. I am not planning on cycling at all as the reality is my priorities do not warrant AAS use. Maybe after x years in the gym after I have maxed out gains.

Background: 32M, 6FT, 180lbs - Did one cycle 10 years ago. 500mg/sust for 8 weeks, put on a whopping 47 pounds. Kept most of it for 5+ years but work, life, excuses got in the way, the next 5 years I slowly degraded to 162lbs. The last three years or so have been bad. Mood, sensitivity, no drive, no sex drive, old gyno came back, poor work performance and life in general.

Today: Things came to a head and I decided to get my shit together and figure out how to improve my situation. I suspected low T for a few years but was told "normal range" by two doctors. I trusted them (big mistake). When they gyno came back after not cycling for 10 years I knew something hormonal was up. I prepared my self with research and went to the doctors again. I made a request for specific tests (total, free, bio). Results came back that I was low however my doctor does not prescribe testosterone and made a referral to a doctor who is also not a specialist. Both said I needed to be treated but they are not the ones to do it. I did my own homework on this and was able to nail down two referrals to understanding doctors but they are back logged and I wont see them for 6 months.

Nov 6th I started self prescribed TRT. 100mg E4D via IM Glute (Test C). Works out to 187.5mg/week. I am doing this while waiting the 6mths to get in front of a doctor who can help.

Nov 20th Gyno came back stronger than ever. I am also red, puffy, low sex drive again. Got some Aromasin as of two days ago and have been taking 6.5mg ED. I have Adex (pills) on hand as well.

Dec 4th, new blood work. Much more detail (see attached). I made the request this time for what to check but I think they messed up the Estradol assay (please comment). My free test is 2300+ 2.5-3 days after my last 100mg IM shot.

My goal is to be normal or slightly above normal. Not 4 times over the range. I don't think I am over doing the test but what the hell, those numbers are very high. Is it possible for the low dose I am taking that the levels are this high? (100mg E4D)

Questions:
- Where should my dose be to be @ 20% max over the range? looking for through value, not peak
- How long does it take to start feeling the effects of Aromasin? When do my tits stop hurting? Currently eat fairly clean, 180lbs, 6ft, not super lean but can see maybe an outline of where abs should be. I don't want to crash my E but need to manage it. Should I be doing something else?
- For the first two weeks I felt like a champ. Energy was up, sexdrive..etc It was perfect. Now I am tired, lacking sex drive and moody at times. Still better than were I started but I would really like to get back to that sweet spot where I started. Any ideas on how to do this?
- Please have a look at the rest of my labs and comment on what I can do to improve.
- Any other comments or advise you're willing to offer.

Thanks guys, I really appreciate your help with this. For reference, I am back in the gym 5 days a week and gaining nicely. Diet has improved as well.

 

[MannyMMG01]

Hey Mars, in my personal opinion getting a referral for a doctor who isn't a pain for these things is a mission. I feel your pain.

Your last cycle I need some more info and maybe I can give you some pointers. How did you come off of your cycle?

If you damaged your HPTA, your in for some shit. There's two ways you can handle it, you can begin a low dose of Hcg E3-4D plus cycle with your test.
On the other hand you might want to take this route & recuperate Hpta system. You can't go wrong with 5,000mcg but I always take 10,000.

Your precious cycle was using 500mg of sustanon. And nothing dismisses your natural T like Deca (which almost all sustanon has).

Hope this helps

 

[MannyMMG01]

P.S Arimidex can take away all that breast pain but you have to know how to use it correctly I've experienced all these symptoms as well.

 

[bigorse]

Hey Mars, in my personal opinion getting a referral for a doctor who isn't a pain for these things is a mission. I feel your pain.

Your last cycle I need some more info and maybe I can give you some pointers. How did you come off of your cycle?

If you damaged your HPTA, your in for some shit. There's two ways you can handle it, you can begin a low dose of Hcg E3-4D plus cycle with your test.
On the other hand you might want to take this route & recuperate Hpta system. You can't go wrong with 5,000mcg but I always take 10,000.

Your precious cycle was using 500mg of sustanon. And nothing dismisses your natural T like Deca (which almost all sustanon has).

Hope this helps

by deca i hope you are refering to test decaonate and not deca as in nandrolone decaonate!? because no sust has "deca" in it. it is ussually a blend of 4 testosterone esters one of which is a 10 carbon ester (deca ester) but is different to the drug commonly refered yo as deca

 

[MaRsBoi]

Hi Manny,

Thanks for the response. Please see below:

"Hey Mars, in my personal opinion getting a referral for a doctor who isn't a pain for these things is a mission. I feel your pain."

Sure is. My original results came back lower than an 85 year old man. I have learned more on the subject in 3 weeks than the two previous docs know combined. I am on a waiting list for an excellent doc, a guy who really gets it but we are on the same page here, it's the main priority but it's going to take 6 months for that to happen (waiting list). In the meantime my life continues and I am treating my self.

"Your last cycle I need some more info and maybe I can give you some pointers. How did you come off of your cycle?"

The one and only cycle I ever did was 10+ years ago. 500mg sust E7D for 8 weeks. 47 pounds gained. I worked hard to maintain that and kept the bulk of it for 5+ years. Was not easy.

"If you damaged your HPTA, your in for some shit. There's two ways you can handle it, you can begin a low dose of Hcg E3-4D plus cycle with your test.
On the other hand you might want to take this route & recuperate Hpta system. You can't go wrong with 5,000mcg but I always take 10,000."


I did no PCT (forgive me, I was 21 and dumb did not have access to any) My HPTA is fucked anyway. My nuts didn't come down when I was a kid and my parents let them sit in my body heating up for 9 years until I finally had the surgery. The last doc thinks this is why I have low T and it kind of makes sense. That and the head injuries sustained. You can't heat your nuts for 9 years as an active kid and come back from that 20+ years later. Natty production is gone and I am sitting at 194 ng/l (in the original labs attached). I understand nothing when it comes to HCG outside of basic profile. Willing to learn though but will likely take a little bit of time to get up to speed. I also have a kid and am not planning for more so no issues in that dept.


"Your precious cycle was using 500mg of sustanon. And nothing dismisses your natural T like Deca (which almost all sustanon has)."

Agreed, thanks. I ran Deca with the sust 400mg/E7D if I remember correctly but it was 10+ years ago, nothing until I put my self on TRT Nov 6th, 5 weeks ago

"Hope this helps "

It sure does, thanks. To be clear though:

- I will likely be on this for life. It sure beats what it was like before though so no complaints.
- My starting point was 194ng/l
- I am taking 100mg Test Cyp E4D
- Started Aromasin two days ago for the gyno (returning) @ 6.5mg ED. I also have Adex (pill) on hand but am not taking it
- I was tested 2.5 days after my most recent shot, being on for 4 weeks with this program. My free T was at 2300. I realize it's a peak value but I would really like to bring that down. I don't want to be past 1100-1200. What do you guys think I should drop the T to to get that? Don't get me wrong. I want to get jacked up but I also want to do this right. I will be on this for life and have time to have fun. Right now it's about getting good T levels. I also don't deserve to be above super-physiological levels until I do the do and spend the time in the gym. This is why I simply want to get my T to where it should be.
- My nipples hurt and chest is puffy, I look like a stop sign I am so red. Is 6.5mg Aromasin ED enough to control this? By when should I be seeing results from this?
- How does the rest of my blood work look? anything else I can do to improve?

I hope this was clearer.

Thanks again

 

[MaRsBoi]

Thanks, I have this on hand. The research I did showed that Aromasin was much better as it's a suicidal A.I, it's also harder to crash your E with it. I have both but the focus was Aromasin in terms of planning. Do you feel the Adex is better for this? What would you recommend as a conservative dose to not crash E?

Thanks again

 

[MannyMMG01]

Ok