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Just when you think Sarah Palin cant get any stupider

In this post or another one? You're going to have to be more specific. You must know excel pretty good right? What would recommend, the sort function or go all out with a pivot table? I mean we're talking about alot of data here. Wait, you don't think I'll have to use access for this do you? fuck this could take awhile.

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It's ok -- just take your time. Pick one of my arguments and logically and succinctly pick it apart. I'll sit tight.
 
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The interpretation, or spin, is what makes your observations erroneous. There is no intention or attempt to nationalize any of the industries you've cited above.

What's wrong with limiting bonuses to execs of failing companies that accepted bail-out money? How is that a threat to freedom? No one said the bail out was no-strings-attached. It should be an offense to every taxpayer that these fat cats think that they still have a license to proceed with the good-old-boy business as usual after driving their financial empires into failure. I think recent events have proven that unregulated free market capitalism is unworkable. That doesn't make regulation the first step down the slippery slope to fascism as you imply.

No one has proposed nationalizing the health industry, i.e. making doctors and nurses US Gov't Employees and hospitals US Gov't property.

The points you've challenged us to refute are all red herrings.

Good -- we're getting to specifics. I'll address health care. Help me understand where my logic is wrong:

The government is already the largest purchaser of health care with Medicare and Medicaid, which is contributing to the bankruptcy of the federal (and state) government. It already represents approximately 50% of all health care purchased, with this number anticipated to increase regardless of future health care committments.

Medicare and Medicaid set their own rates and terms of service to providers -- and their rates are notoriously lower than other forms of private insurance. While there are appeal processes, DHHS is the ultimate decision-making authority unless specifically over-ridden by the legislative process. The only check and balance in the system are the increasing number of doctors who refuse or limit Medicare/Medicaid patients.

The bill that passed the House of Representatives included a "Public Option" that put the government in the business of insurance. Much like Medicare and Medicaid, this entitlement had no requirement to remain solvent or otherwise compete fairly with private insurance (the bill repeatedly called for "whatever sums are necessary" and yes, I read huge chunks of the bill myself). A similar provision was included in the original Senate bill, but was removed solely due to the efforts of Joe Lieberman. One vote across over 500 members of congress is all that stood in the way.

Many Democratic leaders, including the President, have stated that the public option was a transitional vehicle to move us toward a single payer system. While some overtly sought to eliminate private insurance, the introduction of an unrestricted government entitlement with no solvency requirements would have most likely led to a single-payer system regardless of intent. If you question the use of "most likely", I'd like to cite Medicare/Medicaid's history of fiscal irresponsibility and lack of cost control. It is impossible to compete against a company that has absolutely no obligation to remain solvent and also has virtually unlimited access to capital.

So with the government as effectively the entire market for health care, they become the entire market maker. They can then define all terms of service and all reimbursement rates. They also control certificates of need, the issuance of DME/HME numbers as well as approval of HHC services. So without your medicare provider number, you have no business (which is becoming increasingly true today regardless in some market segments).

So again, help me understand the flaw in my logic. If you control every aspect of a market including its price and terms of service (including defining who can and cannot participate), how have you not nationalized it?
 
Many Democratic leaders, including the President, have stated that the public option was a transitional vehicle to move us toward a single payer system. While some overtly sought to eliminate private insurance, the introduction of an unrestricted government entitlement with no solvency requirements would have most likely led to a single-payer system regardless of intent. If you question the use of "most likely", I'd like to cite Medicare/Medicaid's history of fiscal irresponsibility and lack of cost control. It is impossible to compete against a company that has absolutely no obligation to remain solvent and also has virtually unlimited access to capital.

You say that like it's a bad thing?

How is it that we already spend more tax dollars on healthcare, PER CAPITA, than many countries that provide full-on socialized medicine for all citizens?

Seems to me that if we actually had a single-payer system, then Medicare and Medicaid would be redundant and should be eliminated.

However, that was not in either the House or Senate bills, so once again you're fear-mongering with a red herring.
 
You say that like it's a bad thing?

How is it that we already spend more tax dollars on healthcare, PER CAPITA, than many countries that provide full-on socialized medicine for all citizens?

Seems to me that if we actually had a single-payer system, then Medicare and Medicaid would be redundant and should be eliminated.

However, that was not in either the House or Senate bills, so once again you're fear-mongering with a red herring.

We can debate the pros and cons of single-payer systems all day. My original accusation was the house health care bill was trying to nationalize health care and you seemed to believe that was a somehow flawed statement.

The government is already around 50% of health care spending.

The house bill would have increased that by approximately 10%-15%.

The house bill setup a "Public Option" endowed with "whatever sums are necessary" that has no obligation to remain solvent and legitimately compete with private insurance.

Are you trying to say that even with a 65% market share head start and no obligation to fairly compete, the public option wouldn't have led to a single-payer system?
 
It's ok -- just take your time. Pick one of my arguments and logically and succinctly pick it apart. I'll sit tight.


how quickly you forget our discourse on what constitutes a subsidy. It took less than 10 seconds into a google search to put a wig and lipstick on you. But if you want me to logically and succinctly pick every one of your flawed statemnents apart, I would have to write a novel. I was wanting to write a second book though as the first one did alright for a first time author....so maybe I'll look into it.
 
Oh and for the record on this health care thing....I would still buy my own private insurance because

A) I can afford it

and

B) Going private would invariably get me preferential treatment.


This is how it works in Italy. When you go get medical treatment for whatever, they ask you private or public? Public still gets you good treatment but because there's so many people on it...the peoople with private insurance do get slightly better treatment. And this is known.....nobody cries about it, it's just the way it is. If there's two people waiting for a liver transplant, all things being equal, one private and one public......guess who's going to get the liver? The people in Italy on the public option understand this.
 
Oh and for the record on this health care thing....I would still buy my own private insurance because

A) I can afford it

and

B) Going private would invariably get me preferential treatment.

You can afford private insurance for hundreds of dollars a month yet can't afford a plat membership for $11.97/month on a health and fitness website that you post on multiple times per day?

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My .02 on Palin... I've watched her on the campaign trail, in the Biden debate, post governorship and as a commentator on Fox. She is a talking points robot that spews the party line but seems to lack any thoughtfulness or depth.
 
My .02 on Palin... I've watched her on the campaign trail, in the Biden debate, post governorship and as a commentator on Fox. She is a talking points robot that spews the party line but seems to lack any thoughtfulness or depth.

And that's what makes her a GOP wet dream. She's another idiotic puppet that the back room boys can control, like The Decider or Dim Ronnie.
 
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