Just when you think Sarah Palin cant get any stupider

[mrplunkey]

And that's what makes her a GOP wet dream. She's another idiotic puppet that the back room boys can control, like The Decider or Dim Ronnie.

I know name calling is fun, but can we get back to our earlier discussion?

I've stated that a significant number of democrats recently tried to nationalize health care. You accused me of red herrings, fear mongering and a Glen Beck rant.

I spelled-out the rationale behind my claim. Where was the breakdown in my logic?

 

[Mr. dB]

Well I've already said twice that a nationalized health system would include personnel and infrastructure owned by the Gov't. The "public option" wasn't Nationalized Health Care, it was just gov't provided health insurance.

 

[mrplunkey]

Well I've already said twice that a nationalized health system would include personnel and infrastructure owned by the Gov't. The "public option" wasn't Nationalized Health Care, it was just gov't provided health insurance.

That is simply untrue. You don't have to own every single asset in a market to nationalize it. If you:

- Decide who can and can't participate (i.e. provider #'s)
- Decide where they participate (i.e. CoN's)
- Determine what services can and can't be offered
- Set the price for all products and services

Then you've nationalized the market. Does it mean we haven't nationalized the postal letter service since I still own my own mailbox?

 

[mrplunkey]

Gah! I just realized we must not have nationalized defense either, since we rely on numerous contracted private enterprises to provide everything from security to supplies to equipment.

 

[Mr. dB]

Gah! I just realized we must not have nationalized defense either, since we rely on numerous contracted private enterprises to provide everything from security to supplies to equipment.

Your analogy would be apt if the soldiers and bases weren't owned by the gov't.

But - Why then is nationalization good for defense but not for healthcare? Maybe we should turn defense over to mercenaries like Blackwater?

 

[mrplunkey]

Your analogy would be apt if the soldiers and bases weren't owned by the gov't.

But - Why then is nationalization good for defense but not for healthcare? Maybe we should turn defense over to mercenaries like Blackwater?

Well, first of all national defense is spelled-out as one of the duties of the government in the constitution.

And even then, I'm fine with contracting an even larger portion of our military services to private corporations. Defense would still be controlled and adminstered by the government.

Oh, and I'm still looking for that rebuttal to my claim that the house bill attempted to nationalize health care.

 

[jackangel]

redsam, just curious, are you trying to impress with any of the following:

a. a reference to excel pivot tables
b. a reference to access
c. a reference to a book that you've written and had published

probably not, just thought i'd ask. is c really true? i'm curious, and maybe even impressed. details, please, if you don't mind.

regarding nationalization, as always, you should define your terms. i know shit about this subject, but i do know that it makes little sense to argue about a thing, until you've agreed upon
what that thing is. if you can't agree on that, best to focus on something else, or get back to swedish trannie pr0n.

in the obscure and muddled reaches of my memory, i find an association between nationalization and fascism. figures like mussolini come to mind.

in doing a quick search, i found an interesting quote which may or may not be worthless, but serves as a starting point for another question:

More broadly, fascism may be defined as any totalitarian regime which does not aim at the nationalization of industry but preserves at least nominal private property.

my question: what are the prominent examples of nationalization in action, over the last century, let's say? what's the basis for the common understanding (if there is any consensus at all) of what this word means today? in these examples, what happened? what didn't happen?

if you can establish an agreed-upon definition for that term, at least for the sake of the present discussion, then it becomes far easier to compare history to the current situation. then, maybe, you can say that obama, et al. are attempting to nationalize something.

unfortunately, the question of utility or greater good is another one entirely. related to be sure, but distinct.

 

[Mr. dB]

in the obscure and muddled reaches of my memory, i find an association between nationalization and fascism. figures like mussolini come to mind.

Well yeah, that's Plunk's point, since he started on this tangent as a response to my posting of the picture of Sarah wrapped in a flag with the Sinclair Lewis quote about fascism.

 

[redsamurai]

You can afford private insurance for hundreds of dollars a month yet can't afford a plat membership for $11.97/month on a health and fitness website that you post on multiple times per day?

Did you really get a business degree? Did you ever have accountants working for you directly? cause they must have hated you steeply. I have private insurance right now, which on top of my other bills that I've already discussed with you.......we've been over this. Go back and open up your old accounting books, cost management is not a strong suit of yours is it?

 

[redsamurai]

redsam, just curious, are you trying to impress with any of the following:

no just having some fun with plunkey as we've discussed excel before. I thought he was asking me if I could prove any of his past arguments "flawed".....but he was only talking about this thread. If it had been the previous, I would have needed a database management program to cull all that data. lol




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swedish trannie pr0n.

now you've really got my attention.......material?