JM Press Continued...

[frorider6]

The Low Box Squats looks like it puts tremendous pressure on the lower spine.

Most of this shit looks horrible. Fast jerky movements and weird body positions.

I could be very wrong about all of the exercises. But I think I'll wait to hear a lot more opinions before I adopt any of these things.

 

[BlkWS6]

Guys all I can say is that these are not really bodybuilding-type of movements. You probably have not seen them ever performed just as a board press or bands would look quite unfamiliar in training as well. I havent even checked out the other video's, I was more interested in the JM Press, but I can tell you that as strange as it may look, pull throughs really are an awesome exercise. This link would probably be better off placed in the powerlifting forum (which is where I believe I found it off another member), but some people (myself included) were wondering about the execution of the JM Press. If you want more information about box squats, and pull throughs, and the JM Press along with other exercises, and their explanations and benefits just go the the WSB website, and check the articles and "Ask Dave" section. www.elitefitnesssystems.com

 

[TheProject]

Those pull throughs were THE MOST OBSCENE FUCKING THING I've even seen.

I'm guessing this is what most of the people at my gym were thinking when I was doing pull throughs there, but these are one of several things I'm doing now to bring my hamstring and glute strength up.

As far as the side laterals go, I've been doing them that way for quite a while now. After Spatts started having shoulder problems, Hannibal showed her that method, and passed it along to me. I don't know enough to explain it, but if you think it doesn't work the shoulders, try it.

Looks to me like he's doing speed work on the partial deadlifts, which wouldn't make a whole lot of sense if you hadn't done it.

 

[Hannibal]

Those pull throughs were THE MOST OBSCENE FUCKING THING I've even seen.

So are the obscene numbers that you can put up in Squat or Deadlift...when you use them to bring up your glute and ham strength.

What is the benefit of doing Partial Deads at such a rapid pace? Looks like a good way to hurt yourself.

If you train slow...you will be SLOW!. To be strong you must be Explosive. That is a partial DL...or Dimel DL....great for developing the hamstrings and glutes...as well as practicing rotating (popping) your hips through to lockout a deadlift.

The Low Box Squats looks like it puts tremendous pressure on the lower spine.

Most of this shit looks horrible. Fast jerky movements and weird body positions.

The box should have rubber mats on it to relieve what little bit of spinal pressure there is.

And as for the fast jerky motions...you have to train for speed. PL is about functionality....BB is about asthetics. The training...like the people that practice them...are just different.

 

[frorider6]

Well, I try to keep an open mind about things, so I'll do the same here. My overall goals combine the body I want (big and ripped) with the athleticism I need (going into the Army).

I'll remember these exercise and may incorporate them into my training.

 

[Hannibal]

Well, I try to keep an open mind about things, so I'll do the same here.

I wish more people would do that...

 

[benchmonster]

The movements probably do look odd and jerky if you are used to slow controlled reps, but you don' t move max weights by being slow. How far could a shot putter throw if he rotated slowly?

To be strong you must be fast. No other way around it. The faster you move the bar, the more likely you are to make it past the sticking point and be able to get to lockout.

The exercises that you guys are talking about are specialized powerlifting specific exercises. They will make you strong. They may or may not make you get bigger muscles to impress the airheads, but they will make you stronger. I know this because I have been doing these things for the last 10 months and my bench has gone up over 100 lbs during that time. I am not much heavier than I was a year ago, maybe 10 or 15 lbs, and I am probably no easier on the eyes, but strength and speed are there.

Pay attention when Hannibal talks, he is very smart and well informed.

B.

 

[I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING]

I was just about to chime in..but I see Hannibal took care of it. Good post.

 

[k1401]

way to go Hannibal!

 

[Hannibal]

Pay attention when Hannibal talks, he is very smart and well informed.

B.

Well I thank you...I've said it so many times...the easiest way to learn something is to try to teach it to someone else. So when I try to help people understand the way that I train...I am learning about my own training.

For those of you that dont understand the relationship of Strength and Speed.

http://elitefts.com/documents/factor-of-time.htm

"How do you know if you lack strength speed? Chuck Vogelpohl was doing speed work with a visitor named Jack. They both used 405 plus blue bands and both had identical speed. Then Chuck added 90 pounds for a set. Jack couldn't do the 495. Chuck worked up to 585 and 635. How? Chuck possesses both speed strength and strength speed. Jack lacks strength speed. Chuck's top squat is 1000 at 220 and Jack's is 675 at 220.

How about speed strength? A visitor named Rocco and I were doing strength speed work. Rocco's best box squat was 415 plus two blues and a green band on both sides. When I was using two blues and a green band, my best meet squat was 900. Rocco's best is 675. Rocco lacks speed."