Jill Mills Diet

[ariel]

Just thought I would throw this out there for some input...

I read some interviews with this amazing lady, and when asked what is the one thing that people would be suprised to know about her... she said that she eats less then 2000 cals a day, and about 120 grams of protien...

This lady weighs like 185 pounds and i am sure she trains her ass off on almost a daily baisis...I see no reason for her to lie about this...Makes me think I am overeating a WHOLE BUNCH

Do you think it is possible to maintain her bodyweight and training with that kind of food intake??? Are some people just so gifted that it does not matter what they eat or in this case DO NOT eat? She is amazing....I was in awe when I saw her on espn.

ariel

 

[JJFigure]

She may also be an endomorph - that type of body has a really sluggish metabolism and has to stay lower cal to keep fat off. I wouldn't necessarily recommend comparing your kcaloric intake with hers unless you have the exact same bodytype.

Beer and salad based diet...sounds interesting. I'm on the red wine and cheese diet, at least for the rest of this week.

 

[fitmedic]

I'm thinkin' the gear she's on MAY have something to do with the amazing slab of muscle she carries around on that 5'3" frame

 

[ariel]

Thing is, I was under the impression that food, and ALOT of it was needed when using gear...More food than when not using????

I thought one of the "PERK"S if you will, was that food would help in the muscle department, and have less of a chance being stored away as fat.

I thought the more gear used = the more food needed

When I layed my eyes on Jill, I was like " This women probably eats 5000 cals a day, EVERYDAY...It was a motivating factor I suppose, to make sure I ate that little extra that was on my diet(that I really did'nt want to eat), for strength and stamina...Far too long had gone by with me NOT eating enough and always wondering why I never got stronger...So now I see that even the WORLDS STRONGEST WOMAN undereats

ariel

 

[Gladiola]

Yes, I also had an impression that gear didn't magically put muscle on your body. On the contrary, diet & training is still vital. It just helps maximize your muscle gains, helps with recovery from intense training, & helps in prevention of catabolism... but again, does NOT put muscle on your body without eating & training.

So now I'm really confused.

 

[ariel]

Yes, OK, I kinda see...Genetics is a BIG player in all of this, and I no doubt see she has some of the best ones around.

I just threw out this idea because I have gotten to 7% bodyfat at a weight of 114 lbs on 1400- 1500 cals a day and I am sure Jill trains far heavier, longer than I ever had...She also out weighs me more than 50lbs...

I by know means carried NEAR the amount of perfect muscle that she does, at that bodyfat but, with that fact stated, I thought the more dense muscles the bigger the amount of food needed to feed that firey furnance..

Either way, she is one amazing lady....The type of women that could change the way many people people view muscles, strength and women..

ariel

 

[fitmedic]

Hmmm...could be genetics I suppose. Maybe she naturally has a little more tesosterone than your average woman. She seems to have a slightly square jaw line. Anyone know if she was on gear as a BBer? I guess the jaw thing doesn't have to be from current use- it could be residual. Like Spatts said, she could in a maintenance phase and just doing something to keep her gains. Either way...WOW!

 

[b fold the truth]

On a side note, Jill doesn't strike me as someone who really stresses about all the petty dieting crap. Likewise, she's probably too busy to care. Maybe that same ability to not fret over the details and just WORK is what got her where she is.

Amen...a lot of top strength athlets don't worry about it either...we just EAT A LOT and TRAIN HARD!!!

B True

 

[wilson6]

"the jaw thing"

a) try moving the weight she moves around day in and day out, clenching your jaw, guess what muscles develop along with everything else?

and, b) get down to 10% bodyfat and stay there along with prominent facial musculature, then decide if it is muscle and leanness or juice.

A max bench of 100 lbs and 20+% bodyfat, juice or no juice isn't going to give anyone a square jaw.

W6

 

[slinky]

Wow. She's just amazing.

Lot's of good thoughts here, too. I believe as long as a person is providing their body with optimal nutrition, including enough protein, you can continually make gains (both strength and LBM). And it wouldn't matter if you were eating "a ton" of food.

For some reason, I didn't think Jill Mills was shoveling alot of food into her bod. She's too smart of an athlete. If that were all it took, then alot of these women would be the Strongest Woman in the World. Jill has to eat smart and train smarter.

Also, I agree that I doubt after a day of hard training the first thing on her mind is to rush home and pull out the calipers.

I'm just starting to train "strongman" style on Fridays. If any one of you ever have a chance to try out the log clean and press, do it! Even tire flips. VERY fun.

 

[b fold the truth]

Note that Julie Havelka looks VERY good also...AND I have seen that woman eat. She ate more than I did.

B True

 

[slinky]

Julie Havelka: another awesome strength athlete!

 

[fitmedic]

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I for one think it is a travesty for people who are on gear (or have used gear) that have these "genetically gifted" bodies to encourage newcomers, veteran lifters or those than are not making any new gains to "keep at it, eat a lot, lift heavy and the cartoon-like muscle bound bodies you seek will come." It simply is not possible to make these seemingly superhuman like gains without the aide of some performance enhancing substance.

I have lifted and trained since I was 17, I now am 36. I always wanted the incredibly muscled look that some of the female pro's had/have. I even quite my job and committed myself -naturally-to achieving this. I hired a trainer, used the OTC supplements and traveled to Australia to train. Even though I have great genetics, I never, ever got close to what I use to think was a "naturally huge, muscled look." All I got was chronic neck, back and knee problems from years of pushing tons of weight and as a result of clenching my jaw-TMJ (2 surgeries to fix it) and a huge deficit in my wallet. The bone structure of my jaw never changed. Years later I tried a gear cycle and made incredible gains. Had I continued the gear there is no doubt I would have/had that superhero look that so many of the naive and gullible new comers seek. As time passes it doesn't seem that important to chase that ever elusive superhero look.

I am not asking for a complete and total admission of what goes on behind closed doors but just to be less misleading to those who admire and look to the pro's and high profile atheletes for guidance, encouragement, inspiration and hope to someday transform their bodies to something greater than the present-that's all.

 

[fitmedic]

I was not referring to anyone specific, but a few of the above posts implied that Jill got where she is by diet and heavy weights alone. Even with gear, muscle doesn't magically appear. You gotta move A LOT of weight and eat smart. I found that out. Either way Jill is lovely!

 

[wilson6]

I just get tired of the jaw issue. It has more to do with bodyfat than anything else.

I've seen chicks juiced and fat with a round face and natural chicks lean with a square jaw.

We used to have an anoretic working at the gym that when she first started was probably around 15% bodyfat and had a lean but still rounded jaw, within a couple of years she was below 5% (measured clinically, DEXA and UW weigh). Her jaw looked like GI Joe's at 5%.

W6

 

[bignate73]

low bf and sunken cheeks = definition in jawline

androgenous hormone intake can = masculine features as well.

either way, its not up to people to hate on her because she carries so much muscle or whatever. whatever road someone chooses to get to their goal, is their choice.

as for the low caloric intake, just know that there are ways to stay anti catabolic and at least maintain muscle under low calorie conditions. its probably not miraculous food intake that makes this woman the way she is but a culmination of factors. i wont go into it, because its not my place to speculate.

 

[fitmedic]

I disagree with you W6. I think BF% does have a role in the jaw thing but even before getting lean one can see underlying bone structure (unless they weight 350lbs and their face looks like a basketball ) and the jaws of these women are not wide like they are after lengthy AAS use. You don't see 70lb, 4% or less BF anorexics with square jaw lines that are common to women on continuous steroid cycles. Fitness Olympia competitors have incredibly low BF% and you don't see their jaws looking like that of transexuals. Look at the side by side line up of the Miss Olympia and the Fitness Olympia.

I'm certianly not knocking gear use, I will probably do it again myself, but think that we need to be more informative and reliable about what will or can happen with continuous AAS use.

 

[fitmedic]

BTW, Jill has been a long time favorite of mine. She has one of the most flawless, razor sharp physiques in the biz. I wish I could have 3-4 hours with her to pick her brain... simply lovely

 

[NubianBeauty]

Aren't you being a hypocrite?

 

[fitmedic]

Good grief folks, absolutley not! I am not saying I don't use gear, never used gear, never will use it again or would imply my huge, ripped body (if I had one, lol) came naturally. Again, I am not saying any one pro or athelte implied this. It seems to be more lay people than anyone else implying achieving this look is possible without performannce enhancing supps. I for one love the look and if I could afford to maintain it would love turn pro.

 

[slinky]

Well, I've been training all my life drug-free. And I understand what fitmedic is saying.

However, I believe it's a small group of the general public who believe that most of these competitors are drug-free. I believe it's a greater majority who believe that a woman can't achieve any results at all w/out having to resort to sometype of androgen.

Yes, it's frustrating. Well, it was frustrating a looooong time ago for me. But I came to terms with my choice (competing drug-free) and work instead to train smarter. I believe women can acheive tremendous results w/out the use of drugs. It'll take a bit longer - so patience is very much required.

Sorry to digress this thread. I don't want to take away from what Jill Mills or any of those incredible female athletes have accomplished. The woman trains her ass off and I believe that's why she's Number One.

And you know, while their jaws may not be so "masculine" - some of those Fitness Olympia competitors are displaying other effects of drug use. Yes, they don't use as much as their bb'ing counterparts in the Olympia (obviously), but they do use, too.

 

[wilson6]

I asked Nubian to post a pic I sent her comparing a female pro in-season and off-season, side by side. Note the pics were shot in the same year.

You can all figure it from there whether fat makes a difference or not.

Also remember that most if not all fitness girls are juiced, many taking in upwards of 1000 mg/wk prior to a show. The difference is mechanical loading of the jaw muscles and likely the bone structure and that's more of the difference between the BBs and fitness girls. Considering the doses of AAS they take, if they trained like BBs, they'd look like them physique wise.

Consider this, why do female PLs have thick waists? Is it all juice considering a thick waist is a male characteristic? Why do the natural female PLs complain of thick waists? Mechanical loading, which is why if you don't want to thicken the waist as much but still lift heavy, always wear a belt. It reduces the loading on the core/spinal stabilizers and thus waist thickness.

Now, can we get back to the diet part of this thread?

W6

 

[fitmedic]

I agree Wilson that they are all juiced to some degree. And yes it makes sense to think that load has some contributing factor, as does type and amount of ASS, length of long term -vs- short term use. All included but not limited to what everyone has said in this thread is the reason for less than feminine qualities that female lifters possess, and yes Wilson, back to the diet...

 

[NubianBeauty]

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[NubianBeauty]

Looks like 2 different people to me... but I know it's the same woman and it doesn't matter to me if she juices or not.. that's a personal decision and to each his own. A very good example w6. It really pisses me off when threads like this end up about AAS and how a woman looks.

 

[slinky]

I agree Wilson that they are all juiced to some degree. And yes it makes sense to think that load has some contributing factor, as does type and amount of ASS, length of long term -vs- short term use. All included but not limited to what everyone has said in this thread is the reason for less than feminine qualities that female lifters possess, and yes Wilson, back to the diet...

But here's another question: What are we talking about here in terms of "feminine qualities"? General public/media perception? Or what many women here would consider to be "feminine qualities". I would think many of the chicks here have a different perception.

While I'm more than likely no where near the developement of many of the women on this board, I wouldn't be considered the best example (via general public/media perception) of "feminine qualities". But damn if I feel I look better in a pair of short shorts than "their" perception of "what is feminine" or even "sexy". Hell, most of the chicks here probably do.

Okay, 'nuff of that. Let's bring this around to the original intent: diet. What would any of you do differently if preparing for a strongwoman contest? Try different supplementation? Would you feel you need to do anything different in your diet?

 

[JJFigure]

Wow - very different face, depending on level of leaness. Thanks for the pics - definitely make your case, W6.

 

[b fold the truth]

EAT A LOT for strongman/strongwoman. Being pretty means NOTHING on contest day and neither does a 6 pack of abs.

Have you ever seen Julie Havelka or Becca Swanson eat??? They have a lot of muscle to feed...

B True

 

[NubianBeauty]

w6 who is that?

 

[KEL]

She looks like the same woman to me.
However, she has different levels of being dressed, locations, hydration, camera angles and even hair styles. These are all things that contribute to her “looking” different.
She looks fantastic drugs or no drugs- it's her business not mine.

 

[wilson6]

Amy Pazzo

If you check out the Women's Physique World site, you'll find lots of really good quality in-season and off-season shots of many of the top women BBs and Fitness competitors.

W6

 

[fitmedic]

Yeah, I too would like to hear about contest diet preparation.Off season and pre-contest.

Yes looks like the same woman to me too. She is huge!! Holy cow! As I said before, I suppose everything has an impact-including but not limited to gear AND leanesss- on features. Like Nubian Beaty said, it doesn't matter if they juice or not. Wish I had half the muscle she does.

 

[valerie]

I caught the Worlds Strongest Womens on the tube yesterday and boy oh boy am I motivated! Those women were beyond belief. It seems as though the only time I see women who look like me is when I look in the mirror, so I got off on seeing them. Shannon Hartney is quite impressive as was Heine from Finland. Just beautiful women. Matter of fact I went out and did some tire flipping. Lucky for me I got all kinds of stuff to drag,carry and play with plus the privacy so no one sees this old lady acting like a maniac!

Ah yes on diet I have done some revamping and it is paying off by strength increases and lbm gain. Yessir the food is the fuel.-valerie

 

[Night Fly]

I will have to say that Jill really did awesome this year. With several prior injuries to her back/knee you still could see the determination in her eyes. She flat out did amazing. I watched it with her last Monday and it was crazy listening to her critique herself.

She is definitely one of a kind and a genetic freak at that. She has put in her share of hard work and will always continue to do just a tad bit more and train a tad bit harder than anyone out there. You can't put anything past her.

Jackie Young really improved since last year and there was actually a 3 way tie for second place after the last event.

Her diet isn't anymore difficult than someone eating who doesn't think about what they put in their mouth. She's eaten right for so long I truly believe it comes natural....as does her hard work. She actually put more into her dieting during her bodybuilding years.

She is definitely a great woman, competitor, and a true friend to me. I am very proud of what she has accomplished...as is everyone who knows her and even those who don't.

 

[valerie]

I was just awed by all of them. Of course Jill is the role model for that sport. Yeah watching her rep out 13 on the squat. Absulotely thrilling. All of them, the German who is 39, and the Irish gal, short but powerful. The Swiss woman, the Canadian, can't remember all the names, but wow!

Great for women everywhere to see.

Really helped to set my goals for this year. Not that I want to compete(I can see it now, the Worlds Oldest Strong Women). But as a personal thing. I've won all that I can at BB and really don't want to do the dieting thing anymore. -valerie

 

[fitmedic]

Valerie, where have you been...in terms of comptetion in BBing, achieving personal goals, etc... I'm just curious. I like to hear personal stories. Also I am really interested in the diet you were talking about couple of posts back. I'd like to know what you started with, how you've adjusted and what you're doing now. Thanks in advance...

 

[valerie]

Hi fitmedic-I don't want to hijack this thread, how about I pm you.-valerie

 

[fitmedic]

sure, thanks!