Jesus and the cross?

[Lao Tzu]

who dat???

a comedian. He did a bit about how jesus was pissed off because everyone was wearing crosses.

"A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. Do you think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to look at a fucking cross? It's kinda like going up to Jackie Onassis with a rifle pendant on."

 

[decem]

PK.. lemme give you a lil warning.. don't try having an intelligible conversation with dgreenhill about religion.. as he's incapable of such..

you're better off putting him on your ignore list while you have an active religious thread.. that's what i do now..



saint.. good point... since people think he's coming back anyway.. maybe they'll have their chance... but maybe instead of a gun.. he'll be killed by lethal injection.. or the electric chair.. then they can wear that around their neck.... and that'll be coooool..

 

[huntmaster]

oh com'n decem, you know Dgreenhill is one of your favorite people on this board!

Nord---oh OK I got it. thanks.

 

[Peyote Killa]

Curling, I like your input, and that is exactly what I have been looking for. So you see the posed statement.

Nord - yeah I have been listening to him for a long time now, but I was actually talking to someone on this board about crosses, and then what Hicks said actually posed a valid point. So I asked.

Decem, you are right I know that there are some who just don't even want to question what they have been told is right. It's ok, I don't hold that against anyone, but I do hope that those same people realize that reality is only what you have been told, but can be somuch more if you just question everything.

Thanks for all the input

 

[Pebcak]

...bill hicks...

Another dead hero.

'Cak

 

[b fold the truth]

1 Samuel 16:7

I don't think that it is as much of what you wear...but what you mean and what you hold inside.

The cross is a reminder of what Jesus went through. Even if he was not the son of God...if he truly believed that he was being crucified to save the world...then he is someone to be looked up to. If he really did take the lashings, beatings, thorns and nails...and still forgave people...he is someone to look up to.

I used to wear a pin on my shirt tail at all times that said "God Loves You." I still would if I had not lost it. I wear my Christian shirts all the time. www.omegaforce.org I have people look at me on campus all the time and some people ask me about them...at least I am noticed. At least someone can look at me and see my faith in me.

B True

 

[Y_lifter]

Regardless of whether you believe Jesus was the Son of GOD or just a man, if you read his teachings they were cutting edge for their time. The beliefs of the day were either None, Idolatry or that God was a power to be feared and non forgiving above all else.
Jesus taught forgiveness was available from God, Having an Open mind toward others that are different from you and treating the least amoung us as equals...

 

[Hollywood131]

Cross

What does God's word say about the making of images used as objects of worship?

Lev.26:1, JB: "You must make no idols;you must set up neither carved image nor standing-stone, set up no sculptured stone in your land, to prostrate yourselves in front of it; for it is I, Yahweh, who am your God." (No image before which people might bow in worship was ever to be set up.) Knowing this, would it be appropraite to worship crosses?

May images be used simply as aids in worship of the true God?

2 Cor. 5:7,NAB: "We walk by faith, not by sight."

Isa. 40:18, JB: "To whom could you liken God? What image could you contrive of him?"

Isa. 42:8, JB: "My name is Yahweh, I will not yield my glory to another, nor my honour to idols."

How does God view images that are objects of worship?

Jer. 10:14,15, JB: "Every goldsmith blushes for the idol he has made, since his images are nothing but delusion, with no breath in them. They are Nothing, a laughable production."

Historical origins of the Cross


"The shape of the [the two-beamed cross] had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz in that country and in adjacent lands, including Egypt. By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. the churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form , with the cross-piece lowered , was adopted to stand for the cross of Christ."
-An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words(London, 1962), W.E. Vine, p.256.

The Greek word rendered "cross" in many modern Bible versions is stau-ros'. In classical Greek, this word meant merely an upright stake, or pale.

Concerning first-century Christians, History of the Christian Church says: "There was no use of the crucifix and no material representation of the cross."-(New York, 1897), J.F. Hurst, Vol I. p.366.

Does it really make a difference if a person cherishes a cross, as long as he does not worship it?

How would you feel if one of your dearest friends was executed on the basis of false charges? Would you make a replica of the instrument of execution? Would you cherish it, or would you rather shun it?

In ancient Israel, unfaithful Jews wept over the death of the false god Tammuz. Jehovah spoke of what they were doing as being a 'detestable thing.'(Ezek. 8:13,14) According to history, Tammuz was a Babylonian god, and the cross was used as his symbol. From its beginning in the days of Nimrod, Babylon was against God and an enemy of true worship. (Gen. 10:8-10; Jer. 50:29) So by cherishing the cross, a person is honoring a symbol of worship that is opposed to the true God.

 

[decem]

enough with the biblical quotes.. they don't mean shit..

 

[huntmaster]

this is sad, but I know they dont mean anything to you now---but one day the will. It is up to you what happens in between now and judgement day, Decem.