Jesus and the cross?

[cure]

Point is that I think it's a good arguement portraying faith holders as people who just believe they can't live life by themselves, and can't make their own decisions hoping some unseen thing will lead them on the right path. Basically, they're nuts. What other reason does one need to believe in something SO strongly they have never seen nor felt than to have this "god" thing supposedly being there watching over their every move in life, leading them down the golden path and offering support? When people place their faith in this god thing, it tells me that they don't believe they're capable to live life on their own and can't make their own decsions, and they need this unseen power to make them for them. I also feel that they are afraid of what's beyond life and believe that if they have faith, they will basically live in candyland when they die, so it's also for people who can't accept death. I don't blame anyone for not being able to accept it, after all, this is America, and if there was ever any civilization or culture who had people so afraid of death it's this one. I just really do think that people who have faith see the world as a horrible place (which for the most part it is) and feel they need to believe in some higher power to help them through it. If that's what gets you through your day, hey whatever makes you happy, but it doesn't mean you're not psycho. Little kids with invisible friends to "help" them through their day is one thing, but when you're 13 years old on up and believeing in it......

BULLSHIT. I'm catholic and i swear, fuck all kinds even though i'm not married, where a cross, lie, bitch, complain, eat meat on fridays, don't go to church and sometimes even find myself cursing him out yet I still don't think i'll be stricken down anytime soon. I run by my own clock yet still believe in jesus and god.
NOT EVERYONE GOES TO THE EXTREME. DON'T GENERALIZE!

 

[Norman Bates]

If there was an omniscient god he would know that the cross isn´t a symbol to mock him.

But since he was a fraud anyway it doesn´t matter.

 

[bigguns7]

Point is that I think it's a good arguement portraying faith holders as people who just believe they can't live life by themselves, and can't make their own decisions hoping some unseen thing will lead them on the right path. Basically, they're nuts. What other reason does one need to believe in something SO strongly they have never seen nor felt than to have this "god" thing supposedly being there watching over their every move in life, leading them down the golden path and offering support? When people place their faith in this god thing, it tells me that they don't believe they're capable to live life on their own and can't make their own decsions, and they need this unseen power to make them for them. I also feel that they are afraid of what's beyond life and believe that if they have faith, they will basically live in candyland when they die, so it's also for people who can't accept death. I don't blame anyone for not being able to accept it, after all, this is America, and if there was ever any civilization or culture who had people so afraid of death it's this one. I just really do think that people who have faith see the world as a horrible place (which for the most part it is) and feel they need to believe in some higher power to help them through it. If that's what gets you through your day, hey whatever makes you happy, but it doesn't mean you're not psycho. Little kids with invisible friends to "help" them through their day is one thing, but when you're 13 years old on up and believeing in it......

Just as you assert that Christians "need" God to make it through the day, your comments on this thread show something just as pitiful about you. You "need" to try to disprove God's existence, and you "need" to downplay the faith of Christians so you can go on living comfortably in your world. We're all the same. I need my beliefs to feel comfortable and you need yours.

 

[Burning_Inside]

Just as you assert that Christians "need" God to make it through the day, your comments on this thread show something just as pitiful about you. You "need" to try to disprove God's existence, and you "need" to downplay the faith of Christians so you can go on living comfortably in your world. We're all the same. I need my beliefs to feel comfortable and you need yours.

I don't feel a NEED to disprove it (tho' I do think the world would be a much better place if there was no such things as higher powers, but humans as we are have a need in general to not be able to contemplate certain things, meaning they just pass it off as being made by something bigger than we know it, meaning a god of sorts), trust me I don't like putting people down and making them feel less than human because of their beliefs. That's not what I'm doing here. I might say people might be foolish, but it's not like I'm calling them assholes or anything.

By the way, if my "need" is "just as pitiful" as the Chtistian's need to believe, I guess you do agree then that the belief they hold is truly pitiful?

And I don't need to believe either way to make it through my day, I take what comes. If I believed, I'd make it through, as of now I don't, and I still make it through, it's just that if I believed, then I'd be even more of a fool than I, as a human, already am. I probably wouldn't think I was, But that wouldn't mean I wasn't.

 

[bigguns7]

By the way, if my "need" is "just as pitiful" as the Chtistian's need to believe, I guess you do agree then that the belief they hold is truly pitiful?

I do believe that Christians who can't subsist without a belief that God is guiding their every action are pitiful. But I don't agree with your sweeping generalization that all Christians need God in order to be able to breathe.

I am perfectly capable of thinking for myself, but I believe that I am further strengthened spiritually because of my belief in God.

You see, you confuse spirituality with mentality, which in weak-minded individuals can be one in the same. However, I possess a certain amount of intelligence independent of my fatih in God. I am perfectly capable of thinking for myself, but I do believe in the afterlife, and I do believe that a man named Jesus Christ died on a cross for the sins of the world. Those beliefs do not make me weak, nor do they form the basis upon which i live my everyday life.

If you could prove to me tomorrow that God did not exist, and that Jesus was not the Messiah, I would go on living. My brain would not cease to work, nor would my body.

 

[Burning_Inside]

I do believe that Christians who can't subsist without a belief that God is guiding their every action are pitiful. But I don't agree with your sweeping generalization that all Christians need God in order to be able to breathe. no, not to breathe, but for many other daily aspects of life

I am perfectly capable of thinking for myself, but I believe that I am further strengthened spiritually because of my belief in God.

I don't think you're strenghtening your spirit, I think you're strengthening your imagination and furthering yourself into a psychoses. Believing in yourself, not a fairytale, strengthens who you are.



You see, you confuse spirituality with mentality, which in weak-minded individuals can be one in the same.

Mentality begets spirituality, as you have to have a mentality in the first place to culture your spirituality, however your spirituality then plays a main role on your mentality, as teachings and whatnot of course make you who you are. So essentially they may not be one int he same, but pretty close to it as they work in unison.



However, I possess a certain amount of intelligence independent of my fatih in God. I neevr said foolish people can't be intelligent

I am perfectly capable of thinking for myself, but I do believe in the afterlife, me too, but I don't believe it's a heaven of sorts with fluffy recliners and fuzzy slippers. I think if anything, it's a state of spirit.

and I do believe that a man named Jesus Christ died on a cross for the sins of the world. Those beliefs do not make me weak, nor do they form the basis upon which i live my everyday life.

If you could prove to me tomorrow that God did not exist, and that Jesus was not the Messiah, I would go on living. My brain would not cease to work, nor would my body.

 

[bigguns7]

I don't think you're strenghtening your spirit, I think you're strengthening your imagination and furthering yourself into a psychoses. Believing in yourself, not a fairytale, strengthens who you are.

Let's just agree to disagree. I believe in myself, and I believe that I make my own destiny, not God or anyone else. I do not believe that a higher power has planned my life in front of me. I believe that the choices I make are my own and of my own free will. To me, this is my mentality.

I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, who came to earth as a man to bear the sins of the world. I believe that God created the earth, and the He is THE supreme being. This is my spirituality.

As far as I'm concerned, these two belief systems are related, but at the same time are totally independent of one another.

You can believe whatever you like, and I won't chastize you or threaten you with the prospect of hell. Nor will I think less of you for having a hard time believing in the concept of God, as it is a concept that is very hard to believe in. Nor will I think you are stupid or weak for having your own thoughts rather than sharing the same thoughts with a group of people that form an organized religion.

 

[dude]

I will just say from experience that you can't generalize and say that all Christians use God as a crutch. All of the Christians and Catholics that I know truly love God and live their life for Him. They do not need a God to get through life because they are weak. I can't speak for everyone but my point is that you can't and shouldn't generalize. I would also like to wonder why there are so many posts about why "we" believe in God but how many posts are there about why "you" don't believe in God. It takes just as much faith to believe that we came from primordial goo that it does to believe we were created by God. .

 

[Daeo]

I'd rather see Jesus beside Santa Claus on his sleigh...

 

[bigguns7]

I'd rather see Jesus beside Santa Claus on his sleigh...

Thank you for adding that glimpse of true genius.