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is 1-testosterone a steroid?????

1-test is a marketing name. It most certainly is an anabolic steroid based on the rat levator ani assay studies. It was found to be from 4-7 times as anabolic as testosterone and at least twice as androgenic if I remeber correctly. Those who have injected have experienced positive results but the injection pain is too great for anyone to continue for more than a week or two. I did a bicep injection and it was inflamed for a week.
 
Wow ! Sounds great to me. Ha ha ...

I will stick to real AAS. Anything that is legal without a prescription is CRAP and is sold by large amounts of marketing by bb's who are taking the real stuff !!!
 
cartoon_muscles said:
Wow ! Sounds great to me. Ha ha ...

I will stick to real AAS. Anything that is legal without a prescription is CRAP and is sold by large amounts of marketing by bb's who are taking the real stuff !!!

there have been a lot of arguments about 1-test on these posts, and comments like this are the most ignorant that i have heard. Just because you don't need a perscription it is crap? Does that mean that over the counter pain relievers such as advil or aleve are crap too just because they are over the counter, or this just apply to prohormones and AS?
 
For the umpteenth time, 1-test IS a steroid. You guys who are saying it isn't or that it is a prohormone are simply talking out of your ass without the most basic understanding of what comprises a steroid. 1-Test is very close in structure to primo (1-methyl-1-testosterone). Primo just has that extra methyl group on the 1-carbon. If 1-test is a prohormone then I guess 1-AD is a pro-prohormone, LOL. You guys really make yourselves look uneducated.

Prohormone definition: A hormone precurser that relies on enzymatic conversion to the active hormone inside the body. Example: 4-AD (diol) relies on enzymatic oxidation of that 3-hydroxyl group to convert it to testosterone. 1-AD relies on that same enzymatic oxidation to convert to 1-testosterone (the ACTIVE hormone in this case). Ironically, some of the most accepted AS (test esters like test enan, test cyp, test prop) are in fact, prohormones. Yes, the esterified test is completely inactive and unable to bind to androgen receptors. A test ester relies on an enzymatic cleavage of that ester group to release testosterone itself before it can do anything. Therefore, by strict definition, they are prohormones. Somehow, this escapes these people, LOL. I have never heard anyone try to say that test esters are a waste of money and don't work. Must be because they are illegal and thus more potent and deserving of the title "anabolic steroid".

Every time this subject comes up, there are people who scoff and swear 1-test isn't an AS but to date, NONE of these people have ever offered any evidence to support their claim; not even ancedotal evidence. Why you ask? Because the simple truth is that it is a steroid. Does the fact that it is legal (for the time being) make it somehow less effective?

Come on now, the structure of the original AS, testosterone, has been changed and manipulated to give us all of the other AS. They are all testosterone derivatives. This is done by adding a methyl or other alkyl group to some position on the steroid rings or adding a double bond or reducing a double bond or some combination of all of those. It's called synthetic chemistry. Take test and add a 1,2-double bond and we call that boldenone. Take boldenone and add a 17-methyl group and we call that methandrostenalone (dbol). Take testosterone and reduce the 4,5-double bond (DHT) and add a 1-methyl group and we have proviron. Get it? It is all just chemical manipulation of testosterone to begin with. So, if I reduce the 4,5 double bond in testosterone and put in a 1,2 double bond to get 1-testosterone, somehow that is not a steroid? That is absurd. But wait, take that same 1-test and add a 1-methyl group (primo) and all of a sudden that IS an AS, right :rolleyes: ?

1-Test has a number of features that are quite desirable. The 4,5 double bond in test is absolutely required for it to be aromatized by aromatase to an estrogen. Since 1-test doesn't have that 4,5 double bond, it can't aromatize so estrogenic sides like bloating and gyno risk are absent (kind of like primo; imagine that). It also can not be reduced to DHT so andogenic sides like hairloss and acne may not be as much of a problem. Although, it may be a fairly potent androgen in its own right.

Most of the people scoffing at it have never even tried it. I only know of one person who has made and injected 1-test enanthate. He claims to have gained 7 lbs of water free mass in two weeks on 500 mg ew. He compared it's effectiveness to (gasp) primo. On the down side, he had to stop after two weeks because of the pain.
 
Semantics.

The only thing that matters is if something is effective or not. And no prohormone has been effective for anything else but raising estrogen. And the pro-STEROIDs I've tried sucked ass. But I will give BL's product a fair shake. (If he ever sends it ) But no fucking way on earth am I going to inject it. I'm not insane!

Pure Primobolin isn't very effective if swallowed so even if this shit IS the same thing, the bio availability of an oral dosing would make it pretty worthless. But I'll wait and see.
 
bds20002002 said:
how about its oral behaviorability?

BEHAVIOURability?

LOL, so, does it BEHAVE well in your mouth?

School's out! But someone needs to go back for a while.

Aw, .... summer.

Kids.

Board posters with under 100 posts.

Newbies.

Prohormones.

Dudes starting a training program in Mid-june so that they get huge ands ripped for summer.

Awww ... summer.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Semantics.
No, not semantics. It's pure, unadulterated, inescapeable scientific fact! LOL, Mr. Montana, sometimes your like the Sahef ( Iraqi Information Minister) of steroids. No matter how compelling the evidence is, you will still say "It isn't so".
Originally posted by Nelson Montana
The only thing that matters is if something is effective or not. And no prohormone has been effective for anything else but raising estrogen. And the pro-STEROIDs I've tried sucked ass. But I will give BL's product a fair shake. (If he ever sends it ) But no fucking way on earth am I going to inject it. I'm not insane!
That may be true with prohormones. 1-Test is not a prohormone. You may be thinking of 1-AD, which is a prohormone (converts to 1-test). Incidently, neither 1-test or even 1-AD can raise estrogen in anyone. Neither molecule has the necessary 4,5 double bond required to aromatize. No aromatization, no estrogen formation.

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Originally posted by Nelson Montana Pure Primobolin isn't very effective if swallowed so even if this shit IS the same thing, the bio availability of an oral dosing would make it pretty worthless. But I'll wait and see.
I can't believe I am saying this but I agree with you here. Oral bioavailability is going to suck mostly because it has no 17-alkyl group to protect it from first pass degradation by the liver (neither does primo). The majority of what is taken orally will be destroyed by your liver before it gets to do anything. I think you would have to take several times the injected dose orally to see a similar effect and I would worry about liver toxicity at such high doses.

In order to fairly compare 1-test to something else, you would have to take both compounds at the same dosage in the same way. For instance, get some 1-test cyp and do a cycle with that injected IM. Then get some test cyp or primo or any other injectable steroid ester and do an identical cycle for the same amount of time at the same dosage. That would yield a true and fair comparison I think everyone would agree.
 
I used a product called P-6 and thought it worked good but it was way to f'n spendy, I mean it was fucking $60 for 10 days what kind of shit is that, i could buy shitloads of AAS for what it would cost me to run 3 months of a prohormone
 
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