Intermittent fasting and steroid use?

[RickRock13]

Another study shows fasted training affects the post-workout anabolic response to weight training more favorably than fed-state training.

Increased p70s6k phosphorylation during intake of a protein?carbohydrate drink following resistance exercise in the fasted state - Springer

 

[RickRock13]

Here is Martin Berkhans list of the top ten fasting myths "debunked"

Top Ten Fasting Myths Debunked (Major Update Nov 4th) | Intermittent fasting diet for fat loss, muscle gain and health

 

[Nelson Montana]

How about utilizing your bodys own insulin levels to partition its nutrients better....or the fact that there are numerous studies showing that people given the same caloric level over a period of time show a bigger decrease in bodyfat when doing fasted eating vs the grazing method while maintaining the same or MORE lean mass.......but I'm not going to spell everything out for you, but take a look at my thread if you want to know or check out Martin Berkhans site Intermittent fasting diet for fat loss, muscle gain and health. I'm pretty sure he is a lot more qualified to give advice on an IF diet than you are...lol

You're confused. Of course people lose bodyfat faster when not taking in calories!!! lol!!! And don't worry about spelling things out. I'm sure I know at least as much about this as you.

 

[Nelson Montana]

How about utilizing your bodys own insulin levels to partition its nutrients better....or the fact that there are numerous studies showing that people given the same caloric level over a period of time show a bigger decrease in bodyfat when doing fasted eating vs the grazing method while maintaining the same or MORE lean mass.......but I'm not going to spell everything out for you, but take a look at my thread if you want to know or check out Martin Berkhans site Intermittent fasting diet for fat loss, muscle gain and health. I'm pretty sure he is a lot more qualified to give advice on an IF diet than you are...lol[/QUOTE]


Why is that bro? He's a nutritional consultant, a trainer and writes for magazines. I was doing all of those things when he was in diapers.

As for those studies I can explain to you why you're reading them incorrectly but I gotta be honest -- I ain't diggin the tude.

 

[UA_Iron]

Remember that everything that works off cycle, works on cycle...so the benefits of IF can be further enhanced by utilizing your insulin and leptin levels. Its especially useful for recomp and cutting and I've proved it with many cycles.

As for your orals, its best to take them during your feeding window for bioavailability and digestive reasons. Stomach acids can break down orals making them less effective without food (especially fats) to protect them. Ideally half your dose with your fast breaker and the other half eight hours late with your last meal. That's what I do and it works very well

The converse of the bold is not necessarily true::things that work on cycle will not necessarily work off-cycle. Maximum gain/input might not be achieved with such dieting techniques when anabolics are involved. While I do not disagree with the science behind IF, I certainly discount the fact that it is the optimal input per unit output under an AAS induced state without substantial proof.

Can anyone find any evidence of the top 10 or even 20 male bodybuilders using IF?

 

[lanier1974]

Anyone who thinks intermittent fasting wont work should just google image search Martin Berkan, and read his Leangains website.

And the statement that things are different on AAS is half true IMHO. What works on gear will not necessarily work off gear, training or diet style. But the reverse seems implausible; if Martin and his clients can look that ripped naturally eating intermittent fasting style, training fasted, imagine if the same person doing the same thing added juice!

 

[RickRock13]

You're confused. Of course people lose bodyfat faster when not taking in calories!!! lol!!! And don't worry about spelling things out. I'm sure I know at least as much about this as you.

Maybe you misread my post. I said that people taking in the SAME CALORIC LEVEL lost more bodyfat on IF vs the traditional 4-6 meal per day plan while retaining the same amount of LBM. Some even ended with more LBM on IF.


If you know as much about IF as me, why did you ask what the benefits were?

 

[RickRock13]

How about utilizing your bodys own insulin levels to partition its nutrients better....or the fact that there are numerous studies showing that people given the same caloric level over a period of time show a bigger decrease in bodyfat when doing fasted eating vs the grazing method while maintaining the same or MORE lean mass.......but I'm not going to spell everything out for you, but take a look at my thread if you want to know or check out Martin Berkhans site Intermittent fasting diet for fat loss, muscle gain and health. I'm pretty sure he is a lot more qualified to give advice on an IF diet than you are...lol[/QUOTE]


Why is that bro? He's a nutritional consultant, a trainer and writes for magazines. I was doing all of those things when he was in diapers.

As for those studies I can explain to you why you're reading them incorrectly but I gotta be honest -- I ain't diggin the tude.

There no "tude" bro. I don't care about what you did or didn't do in the past. Its irrelevant to this conversation when it comes to IF. If you correctly studied IF you wouldn't have asked me to name the benefits of it, so my statement that he knows more about an IF diet is absolutely true.

 

[RickRock13]

The converse of the bold is not necessarily true::things that work on cycle will not necessarily work off-cycle. Maximum gain/input might not be achieved with such dieting techniques when anabolics are involved. While I do not disagree with the science behind IF, I certainly discount the fact that it is the optimal input per unit output under an AAS induced state without substantial proof.

Can anyone find any evidence of the top 10 or even 20 male bodybuilders using IF?

You didn't read the post correctly. I said that things that work OFF cycle, work ON cycle....not the reverse.

Using pro bodybuilders as example doesn't make sense for IF...true. But not everyone wants to be a pro BB. I certainly don't. If getting as big as humanly possible is your goal, then tons of gear and food all day is what you need.

IF is designed to add LBM slowly over time while being able to stay lean year round. If that's your goal (like me) then it works beautifully when done correctly

 

[lanier1974]

Our ancestors conquered the world, climbing icy mountains, tracking, chasing, and slaying large and dangerous animals while fasted for many hours if not days, then gorged on the kill. They didn't awake in their caves and whip up a whey shake for breakfast to stay out of some catabolic state so they could safely preserve their muscle before embarking on the next hunt. Supplement companies would have us all believe their lies about meal frequency and shakes and potions so that they may make their billions, while we the sheeple believe those lies so long we forget how utterly simply our magnificent bodies really work.