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Themachine01
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It all depends how your body reacts to the high levels of test. You will most likely experience some good sides, its too much for a rookie.
I think people need a f*#@ing clue about sust.
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DNIndustry
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Ok..
I am not advocating extreme amounts of test on your first cycle... I do have to admit I practice it.
My first Sust cycle
I did 1500mg sust/w (EOD Inject)
600mg/w deca
50mg/d Dianbol
I went from 212 to 263 in 9 weeks
Post cycle I lost the water and went to 251
39lb gain Solid mass.
I maintained that for 5 months then cut down to 7%bf
to 242 lbs.
I started my 6th cycle last week @242lbs.
Week 1
2000mg sust
150mg propinate ED
200mg Phenl Propinate EOD
800mg EQ
Week 2
2000mg sust
150mg Propinate
800mg EQ
(Im 3 days into Week 2) I am up to 251lbs. 9 lbs in the first week by properly suplementing the sustanon with propinate.
Its not the EQ because it isnt really active yet. And it sure as hell isnt water. The arimidex/Letrozole takes care of that.
My goal my week 12 is 305 @ 12% bf
by week 18 Cut down to 285 @ 6% bf
My total cycle is another story though.
Now back to JMG141's question
Your test levels would be semi high for a first cycle ..but I dont think that the sides would be rediculous by any means. I think that if you found the blood test level you want and determined the right amount of sustanon and Propinate to retain that level until the cumulative effect kicked in that you would be quite happy with the gains.
What a lot of people dont under stand is that what you put in isnt the exact amount you get out.
Just be cause you should 1000mg of test a week doesnt mean that there is 1000mg active.
(Besure to use some arimidex @about .5mg/d or letrozole @2.5mg EOD)
I am not advocating extreme amounts of test on your first cycle... I do have to admit I practice it.
My first Sust cycle
I did 1500mg sust/w (EOD Inject)
600mg/w deca
50mg/d Dianbol
I went from 212 to 263 in 9 weeks
Post cycle I lost the water and went to 251
39lb gain Solid mass.
I maintained that for 5 months then cut down to 7%bf
to 242 lbs.
I started my 6th cycle last week @242lbs.
Week 1
2000mg sust
150mg propinate ED
200mg Phenl Propinate EOD
800mg EQ
Week 2
2000mg sust
150mg Propinate
800mg EQ
(Im 3 days into Week 2) I am up to 251lbs. 9 lbs in the first week by properly suplementing the sustanon with propinate.
Its not the EQ because it isnt really active yet. And it sure as hell isnt water. The arimidex/Letrozole takes care of that.
My goal my week 12 is 305 @ 12% bf
by week 18 Cut down to 285 @ 6% bf
My total cycle is another story though.
Now back to JMG141's question
Your test levels would be semi high for a first cycle ..but I dont think that the sides would be rediculous by any means. I think that if you found the blood test level you want and determined the right amount of sustanon and Propinate to retain that level until the cumulative effect kicked in that you would be quite happy with the gains.
What a lot of people dont under stand is that what you put in isnt the exact amount you get out.
Just be cause you should 1000mg of test a week doesnt mean that there is 1000mg active.
(Besure to use some arimidex @about .5mg/d or letrozole @2.5mg EOD)
Lord_Suston
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For newbies,
You don't always need to do the whole CC per shot since many times i get mine out of a 5cc bottle I load up.5cc and shoot EOD or one every three days. I used to run eq with it at low dosages 300mgs/week and I have gain major gains with it. More isn't alwasy better, just make sure you have your anti's ready and you diet and training down pat....
You don't always need to do the whole CC per shot since many times i get mine out of a 5cc bottle I load up.5cc and shoot EOD or one every three days. I used to run eq with it at low dosages 300mgs/week and I have gain major gains with it. More isn't alwasy better, just make sure you have your anti's ready and you diet and training down pat....
Wow, u have steered me in the right direction oh wise one. I do 3 amps all at once, have gotten really good gains so far, and no side effects as far as acne and water retension.(Well, liquidex. Hehe.) Guess I don't have a clue either, and my gains are all in my head. 
Btw silkdog, Willyumyum knows his shit and contributes greatly to this board.
Btw silkdog, Willyumyum knows his shit and contributes greatly to this board.
DNIndustry
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OK Mike PT. I see you are an established member of the board he is your chance to prove me wrong.
Put your money where your mouth is and logically prove to me that how shooting once per week is more effective than EOD.
You can't.
If you can I will withdraw my statement.
Otherwise your cocky tone shows ignorance show shut the fuck up.
I respect any long term member of the board but when they come out with a straight out your wrong with nothing to back it up...I dont care who they are.
Put your money where your mouth is and logically prove to me that how shooting once per week is more effective than EOD.
You can't.
If you can I will withdraw my statement.
Otherwise your cocky tone shows ignorance show shut the fuck up.
I respect any long term member of the board but when they come out with a straight out your wrong with nothing to back it up...I dont care who they are.
Silent Method
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DNIndustry, you need to chill out, learn to not take everything this seriously, and learn to show some respect. Your first post in this thread may have been conceived in an effort to educate or facilitate scholarly debate. However, your tone, your poor choice to include statements which endorse ridiculous absolutes, coupled with the flagrant disrespect you have shown for well respected, well educated people, leaves you little to be respected for.
norr
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Ok, I'm a newbie and this thread gives me headaches... can anybody explain to me those availability numbers initially posted by DNIndustry? Because if you add them up you get: Prop-89, Phenyl-432, Isocap-432, Decanoate-1228 for a whopping total of 2181. There must be something I'm missing about this breakdown.
DNIndustry
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My whole purpose to initiate this thread was to stop "Buzzword Cycles" and help people understand further what they are doing.
It appears that Ive shattered some peoples delusions that they know everything. I guarantee that there are people on this board that know ample amounts more than I. However just because:
A.) you get some results
B.) you know quite abit when it comes to AAS
Doesnt mean that everything you know is right.
I just think that people don't like to be told that their is a better way of doing things..that their thinking isnt ALWAYS right.
I do admit that my tone going into this was semi rude but I had just gotten done having the same conversation with 2 totally separate people who thought they were doing it correctly and had the same reaction...a cocky comeback because they didnt want to accept that I was right. I visit this board to learn and to help others. I dont appreciate when others are closed minded.
It appears that Ive shattered some peoples delusions that they know everything. I guarantee that there are people on this board that know ample amounts more than I. However just because:
A.) you get some results
B.) you know quite abit when it comes to AAS
Doesnt mean that everything you know is right.
I just think that people don't like to be told that their is a better way of doing things..that their thinking isnt ALWAYS right.
I do admit that my tone going into this was semi rude but I had just gotten done having the same conversation with 2 totally separate people who thought they were doing it correctly and had the same reaction...a cocky comeback because they didnt want to accept that I was right. I visit this board to learn and to help others. I dont appreciate when others are closed minded.
Silent Method
New member
Regarding your tone.
I sure know that I'm often wrong. Much of what I currently take as fact will be proven wrong to me in the future. When someone shows me a better, more efficient way to go about something, when someone dispells a myth in front of my very eyes, I am appreciative at least. However, when someone attempts to cram something down my throat, be it fact or fiction, I don't like it. I don't know anyone who does.
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