let me just throw my 2 cents in here. DNIndustry, your correct in everythin you posted, yet, good quality gains can be made with 1 shot a week or even 2 for the first few cycles. I would never suggest that to someone that for their first, second, or yes, even their 3rd cycle, to go ahead and use 750 -1000mg of sus per week, and I dont suggest you do either. I see mods and vets, and even myself, suggest to first timers to go ahead and use 250 - 500 mg of sus per week, which is the correct way to start off. If you think that this is a waist then you are wrong. For someone that is screaming they know everything about sus, i think you need to be reminded that their are rookies on this board, and with this post you are suggesting the only way to use sus is to go wiht 750-1000mg/wk.