I have no Chest,I have no Chest

[guldukat]

Another exercise that most people forget about is the dumbbell pull-over.

This exercise is excellent for stretching the pectoral muscles.

Yeah, I guess I just see them as a "jack of all trades" movement...a good bit of lat, some triceps, some chest, serratus. It seems like energy maybe better spent on a press...

I dunno. One could always do them purely as a stretching movement a'la DC, after the work sets were out of the way?

I'm up in the air over BB vs. Smith inclines. On the one hand, the isolation of the machine's a plus: all you have to do is concentrate on the contraction, so all your energy is spent simply moving more weight. Self-spotting's also a little simpler.

But as you said, Smith presses don't do much for the stabilizers, and for that matter I think it's harder to "get in the groove" on the Smith. I always had a bitch of a time getting the bench set up just right...even if I was off by a cm, I'd be pushing in a different plane, you know? I didn't have that trouble with a barbell, even when I hadn't done them in a long time and was shaky.

I still like some kind of bar, Smith or real, over dumbbells, though. DBs are superior in some respects, like greater ROM and the fact that they allow you to bring your hands closer together at the top.

The problem is, you have to work the reps awful high before you can take the next step up in weight...even going from 100's to 105's is a 10 lb. jump total, whereas with a bar you could go up 5 lbs. at a time.

Also, most guys really struggle on the first rep of DB presses, robbing one of potential strength. Getting into position isn't easy either, and though forced reps are easy enough, I bet rest-pausing with dumbbell presses would be more difficult yet.

It stinks that there are pros and cons to each exercise...we need one that's all pros Fortunately the cons are pretty insignificant; one can't really go wrong with any exercise discussed in this thread.

 

[Debaser]

Inclines are good cause they hit the chest very well ... much better than flat bench. Try it sometime debaser. Take a wide grip and you will see what I mean. They won't cause you injury unless you are stupid.

There is no need to type up a scientific explanation on why they work. It is simple, they work. They stress the chest very well as many long time lifters have claimed. These aren't people that have done inclines once in their life and came up to a conclusion, no, I am talking about experience.

You simply don't have this experience, so give it a try before indirectly putting down a lifter who has been training over 10 times as long as you have.

-sk

Where did I say that inclines weren't a good movement? I simply said they're like a flat bench with slightly more delt activation and slightly less pec activation (the higher the angle the more shoulder recruitment). If you doubt this, then you need to learn some simple biomechanics.

Dips and decline presses are the number one chest mass builders. Why? Because your pecs' function is to bring the arms not only out but down as well. If you want to talk about experience, then there are several people who agree with me on my points who have 20+ years of experience. So what does that tell you?

 

[Prime Rib]

Debaser, How long have you been lifting?

 

[theoak01]

I think body hair has been masking growth on my chest,even though minor my chest has been growing on the one day a week of what I was doing and the upper pecs are coming out, once I get a replacement serial wire for my digital cam I will post up the pics I took after shaving down. but I will still try to speed up the growth process with incline more.

also I do declined since I got back training hard in sept which may support Debaser, either way I appreciate everyones help thanks again guys

 

[Debaser]

Debaser, How long have you been lifting?

Do you know what ad hominem means?

 

[Prime Rib]

Do you know what ad hominem means?

Yeah it means you avoided my question by asking another question. Again.....How long have you been lifting?

 

[Debaser]

70 years.

 

[Prime Rib]

LOL....Obviously not very long.

 

[wlhosch]

Do you know what ad hominem means?

I do Debaser, and it was a legitimate question considering how often I have seen you make categorical statements. Different people respond differently. (I know you believe in genetics!) I think that you need to display a little more humilty. Maybe after you've lifted for a few decades, maybe, you will agree that there is never one simple answer. Of course, I could be wrong...

 

[Debaser]

LOL....Obviously not very long.

Ad hominem means judging or attacking a person, rather than their arguments, in a debate. I have been lifting for one year. Since you don't seem to understand that what you're doing is a terrible way to try and make a case, would it make you feel better if realgains or DC were saying the same thing to you (which they would because we agree on all these points)? DC is 300 lean lbs. Now I'll use your own ignorance against you: what are your stats? Are you bigger/stronger than he? Or realgains? Or Iron Addict? etc. etc. etc....NO?! WELL PRAISE JESUS FOR YOUR ARGUMENTS MUST BE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY FALSE. Jerkoff.