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dullboy said:
This is the part I don't really understand. NWA, Dr Dre and offshoots are big in the suburban communities and have always been. Ice Cube and Ice T are movie starts because of it.
When these guys get records that are "Banned in the USA" , pulled from shelves, and lyrics such as Ice T's "Cop Killa" it makes people wanan buy it. But I'm not sure why suburban folks are the first to jump.
Some of it is "reality rap" because it comes from people who were really in sets. Others such as Dr Dre have never been in any set (gang) and never were
They're what we call "studio gangstas"
The again alot of rap / hip hop is Eminem style lyrics that are somewhat hard core and directed at suburban kids.
morphzilla
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you guys are all funny.majority of rap supporters of the music is mainstream white america. and supprisingly no one hear mention slim shady the white rapper. personally i like the guy. and for most of it i dont listen to a lot of rap i dont really prefer to hear about others problems.im a 80s guy.montley crew,def lepard,van halen,ozzie.oh well would you believe im black....
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morphzilla said:
I love eminem's music also. I listen to the rappers that actually have something to say. Nowadays good rappers are hard to find Maybe (1 out of 50 or so). The popular music is just ones with decent beats and no content.
But then again I am a 20 year old white male that drive a cadillac with chrome rims and has a loud car stereo.
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heatherrae
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Look people, art in any form is just an expression of some feeling or idea. If you don't relate to it, don't look at it, listen to it, etc. No one is gluing headphones to your ears and making you listen to rap or country or classical music.
For those who don't get the foul language in rap, just think about how corny it would be to have a girl in bed talking dirty to you and she called it a "penis." "Oh baby, please insert your penis into my vagina repeatedly with a great deal of force." --Lame right? Or how about watching the Sopranos and someone kills someone and says, "Why, I declare, sir. I do believe that his life has now expired." -- Out of character and stupid, right? It is sort of the same thing. For those of us who like rap, it is not that we lack a vocabulary or necessarily grew up in the inner city. I grew up on a farm in Kentucky, and I like to think that I have a larger than average vocabulary. When I listen to some rap, yes "dirty words" and all, I sometimes dismiss the lyrics because I enjoy the beat to dance/move to or the lyrics get me sort of psyched up. It is sort of the same feeling you get from listening to some heavy metal. Different songs bring out different emotional responses in different people. That is the beauty of diversity.
Lighten up, some of the songs are just party songs. They are not meant to be put in Palgroves Anthology of Poetry! If you don't like them, there are so many other artists out there competing for air time and your dollar, that I don't think you will be forced to listen to music you don't like any time soon.
Try to have an open mind. I find that I enjoy most every genre in the right situation. Country, rock, rap, hip-hop, jazz, blues, even bluerass and folk music, at times.
For those who don't get the foul language in rap, just think about how corny it would be to have a girl in bed talking dirty to you and she called it a "penis." "Oh baby, please insert your penis into my vagina repeatedly with a great deal of force." --Lame right? Or how about watching the Sopranos and someone kills someone and says, "Why, I declare, sir. I do believe that his life has now expired." -- Out of character and stupid, right? It is sort of the same thing. For those of us who like rap, it is not that we lack a vocabulary or necessarily grew up in the inner city. I grew up on a farm in Kentucky, and I like to think that I have a larger than average vocabulary. When I listen to some rap, yes "dirty words" and all, I sometimes dismiss the lyrics because I enjoy the beat to dance/move to or the lyrics get me sort of psyched up. It is sort of the same feeling you get from listening to some heavy metal. Different songs bring out different emotional responses in different people. That is the beauty of diversity.
Lighten up, some of the songs are just party songs. They are not meant to be put in Palgroves Anthology of Poetry! If you don't like them, there are so many other artists out there competing for air time and your dollar, that I don't think you will be forced to listen to music you don't like any time soon.
Try to have an open mind. I find that I enjoy most every genre in the right situation. Country, rock, rap, hip-hop, jazz, blues, even bluerass and folk music, at times.
swole said:
I think a lot of it has to do with maturity. When I was in high school and living in the East St. Louis area, I loved that shit. Then I grew up, joined the military, got married, had kids, and quit listening to it. I know for me, the biggest reason why I stopped isn't because I didn’t like the beat, but because it was so vulgar and disrespectful. I sometimes wonder how people can take that shit seriously.
My wife is from Mexico and grew up poor as shit, she never complained, she got educated (masters in bio-chemistry) and now is legalized and married. Some of these little whiney ass thugs in this country believe that they have no choice but to hustle and act like jack asses because they say that they can't get a job. I got an idea though! Stop acting like a piece of shit, pull your pants up, trim your hair, go to school, be respectful, and get to places on time or early!
Finally, I would say that young white kids are mostly spoiled little shits that wouldn't make it a block in some of the neighborhoods that these guys glorify! Take your daughter to the nearest ghetto and drop her off. Tell her to give you a call when it stops being fun (shouldn't take to long!).
P.S. I don't think that the starter of this post is racist! I think he is right on and that music is crap. What is even more crap is that these rich ass white guys pedal this shit to your kids!
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heatherrae
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Not all rap songs are vulgar or disrespectful. Some of them are about making it out of the ghetto or are just fun party songs. Guess what, I'm GROWN UP, MATURE, and WELL-EDUCATED too. If anyone is being disrespectful, it is you for calling people immature and uneducated just because they like a certain genre of music.
krishna
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HeatherRae said:
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, music DOES influence people. Granted there are those who are mature enough to listen to rap music without being influenced by its message, but why would anyone want to subject themselves to that message in the first place; especially a well educated, well respected woman as yourself. I grew up ghetto, and listened to nothing but hardcore rap music. I was young and naieve, and highly influenced by its messages. Guess what, I ended up in prison! A lot of my friends ended up in prison for life, or got killed. The music definitely had a big role in that. I have since turned my life around, and ditching the garbage I used to listen to was an intregal part of my success. You see all these dumb little punks listening to that shit and causing problems. Music DOES influence people.
NickyE3
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I think blaming music for your actions is a cop-out. Just like how people blame movies and TV. People would have ended up doing the same thing without music. Unless it was like an idea they got from a movie or something. I listen to the worst rap music ever Ganksta NIP and Brotha Lynch Hung and I watch some of the worst movies ever. And I dont have any intentions to do anything thing that they mention or show.
I guess I can think for myself and not be easily pursuaded to do dumb shit.
"Guns don't kill people. Stupid people with guns kill people"
I guess I can think for myself and not be easily pursuaded to do dumb shit.
"Guns don't kill people. Stupid people with guns kill people"
krishna
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NickyE3 said:
I used to listen to nip and lynch too. I am not blaming rap. I'm simply pointing out the FACT that music influences people. Classical music influences people, blues influenced generations, same with jazz. I do think you're wrong that people would act the same without the music. Where would they get the ideas, the mentality, the style? It comes from the music. Why would you want to listen to those kinds of lyrics anyway? I guess some people just talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. What? Do you think you're in, or can relate to them? I don't get it! Oh I get it, you like the beat right? Fact is, you're drawn to something that you can and will never be. You're a follower.
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heatherrae
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Yeah hiatussin, put an end to everything you dont like. If Hitler were still alive, he would approve. Hey I have an end solution for you. Change the station to something you enjoy and quit grousing about the music you don't like. Censorship sucks!
Krishna, I'm sorry that you had a rough time when you are younger, but I think your cause and effect may be backwards. I think your attitude, friends, lifestyle at the time influenced what music you related to, but I don't think that the music created your attitude, choices of friends, or lifestyle. You are definetely a good guy now, and I give you kudos on turning your life around.
I listen to hip hop, and I like to think that I'm the kindest, most gentle-natured person you will ever meet. I don't really think that listening to nelly sing about his "grillz" or beyonce singing about her ass is really going to make me go out and commit felonies...lol. It's just fun, mindless entertainment.
I don't really listen to much hard core, gangsta rap but I sure don't think it should be censored. How come no one mentions some of the hardcore lyrics in rock music? I mean, we have a bunch of white guys on here saying to censor rap because of the violent/sexual lyrics? Hello? Rock songs have just as many explicit lyrics.
Others argue that hip hop has corny lyrics. This was the argument in a recent post about the "grillz" song. Gosh, there are corny lyrics in every genre. Not every song is meant to be deep. Really, does the classic party song, "Shout" make any sense? Nope, it is just fun to dance around to. God, I could list so many songs in country music, rock music, r & B, etc that are pretty damn corny, but we white people hear something corny in rap music and we want to ban it?
It does seem racist to me to only be bothered by explicit lyrics/corny lyrics in the genre that has mainly black singers. ???
Krishna, I'm sorry that you had a rough time when you are younger, but I think your cause and effect may be backwards. I think your attitude, friends, lifestyle at the time influenced what music you related to, but I don't think that the music created your attitude, choices of friends, or lifestyle. You are definetely a good guy now, and I give you kudos on turning your life around.
I listen to hip hop, and I like to think that I'm the kindest, most gentle-natured person you will ever meet. I don't really think that listening to nelly sing about his "grillz" or beyonce singing about her ass is really going to make me go out and commit felonies...lol. It's just fun, mindless entertainment.
I don't really listen to much hard core, gangsta rap but I sure don't think it should be censored. How come no one mentions some of the hardcore lyrics in rock music? I mean, we have a bunch of white guys on here saying to censor rap because of the violent/sexual lyrics? Hello? Rock songs have just as many explicit lyrics.
Others argue that hip hop has corny lyrics. This was the argument in a recent post about the "grillz" song. Gosh, there are corny lyrics in every genre. Not every song is meant to be deep. Really, does the classic party song, "Shout" make any sense? Nope, it is just fun to dance around to. God, I could list so many songs in country music, rock music, r & B, etc that are pretty damn corny, but we white people hear something corny in rap music and we want to ban it?
It does seem racist to me to only be bothered by explicit lyrics/corny lyrics in the genre that has mainly black singers. ???
yeah mainstream rap you hear and see on the radio and mtv sucks....
but check out artists like ATMOSPHERE, Sage Francis, The Grouch, Murs, Benefit, and some others.
Some of the most thought provoking and intelligent lyrics I've heard out of ANY music genre come from all these guys.they are nothing like GuNOT or whatever.
but check out artists like ATMOSPHERE, Sage Francis, The Grouch, Murs, Benefit, and some others.
Some of the most thought provoking and intelligent lyrics I've heard out of ANY music genre come from all these guys.they are nothing like GuNOT or whatever.
krishna
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HeatherRae said:
I think you're right that my mentality provoked me to listen to that music, but it's biconditional in that it goes both ways. The music also definitely influenced my behavior too. I don't really see you as listening to the kind of shit I used to listen to; it was pretty hardcore. It seems more like you like the mainstream stuff that's more just fun than anything, and there's nothing wrong with that. That's not really what I think of though when I hear the phrase "rap music", but I guess times have changed, and that's what it is these days. If you listened to the stuff I used to, you'd get a better understanding of what I'm talking about and where I'm coming from.
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krishna
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markshark said:
That stuff was actually kind of mainstream for me. I'm talking more hardcore bro. Stuff like Lynch Hung, Mr. Doc, X-raided, No Limit - C Murder, P, Crestside - Celly Cell, Mac Mall, SCC, Nip, Ren. I've actually forgot about most of it, but someone earlier in this post jogged my memory a little. West Side Connect was kinda cool back in the day though.
biteme said:
So you went from why are white kids listening to it, to now its the lyrics. So its ok for blacks to hear things that all races of kids are involved in. Extacy, Cocaine, Pot, Sex, Gang Bangs, ect.... the reason why rap is so popular with people from their middle 20's down to teens, is because they can relate. Irregardless of race, kids and young adults relate. For being a self proclaimed non-racist, you should think before you post.
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biteme said:
I like sevendust lyrics in "headtrip" Shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up! having a biracial child, white and black, it is rather disgusting to read something from a guy behind a computer who is that open with his thoughts. Makes me wonder what people who see her actually would think. Bashing on something because you don't understand it or agree with it, is just like the islamic extremist. Not even close to the same degree, but very simular content.
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UA_Iron
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yeah why do white people listen to rap?
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heatherrae
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Hey Krishna! I have never even heard of even one of those bands, and I think listening to the music that is really angry would wear me out. I would be interested in hearing some of the rap that kid5er suggested. I like all kinds of music, depending on my moods. However, even if I hated the music that you used to listen to, I support the artists' rights to express themselves free of censorship. In response to UA Iron's comment about "why do white people listen to rap?" Surely he is joking. ??? Anyway Krishna, surely you are not suggesting that we should sterilize musical content to not contain any hostile or negative content because it may influence people to be negative or hostile? The very idea reminds me very much of the novel, "A Clockwork Orange." Scary stuff.
krishna
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HeatherRae said:
I'm not saying we should censor anything. All I'm doing is pointing out the influences that music has on people, and asking the question: Why would you want those messages pounded in your brain? What is it inside of us that draws us to such vulgar "expression"? For me that desire is something that I've transcended, and to go back and listen to it again would seem juvenile. A lot of people do things without even knowing why. Then when someone plays devil's advocate, they are quick to defend their ways because they don't know any better. If one were to objectively and logically contemplate the reason they liked that music, they would find no good reason to listen to it. I think ultimately most people would choose not to, because most people are good natured, and those messages don't mesh with their innate spirit. People are blind to themselves, and out of balance. Most people don't know why they like or do the things they do, they just follow.
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heatherrae
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Interesting points, and I agree that our innate spirits influence which songs we are drawn to, to a point. But in each and every one of us exists love, and hate; happiness and despair; nurturing and violence. Whether we act on each of these is another thing, but being human means we all have these emotions and can relate to a variety of expression.
krishna
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HeatherRae said:
Agreed, but by listening to hateful and disrespectful music, you are feeding the hate, despair, and violence; while suppressing the love, happiness, and nurturing capacity. People are all of these things, because it is a natural reaction for our minds and bodies and the universe to try and create balance. If you have the desire to listen to hate music, then it stems from a tremendous love inside of you that you don't understand, and so you naturally try to suppress it by seeking balance on the other end of the spectrum. If one chooses the middle path, he/she will not be drawn to either end of the spectrum; love being on one end, and hate on the other. Besides, these are all just ideas and emotions that we create within ourselves. None of them are the truth. The middle path will bring you to true understanding, and universal love, which is not the same as our emotional love (which is more of a need than anything). You desire to love and be loved (in our emotional sense). That brings you to one end of the spectrum. Your mind will subconciously want to find something on the other end to help balance you out, which will be hateful messages, violence, etc. Like I said, people do not know why they do the things they do. The only real true balance is the middle path. The other way is metaphorically related to being bipolar.
HeatherRae said:
Censorship? HELL NO! I did 8 years in the military proctecting those rights. However, I think that any responsible parent should do there best to steer their children away from that hardcore junk. If parents want their kids to feel sorry for themselves and wallow in their own self pitty than we have bigger problems!
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heatherrae
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I fully agree that parents should steer their children away from explicit lyrics...no doubt.
thewanderer690
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I'll bend the bitch over and nut her like almond joy! awesome line
Protobuilder
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Mainstream rap has to have the most inane, ridiculous lyrics of just about ANY music genre EVER.
Regardless of the lyrical content or the social implications, I just don't like the sound of rap. The basic concept of someone talking rhythmically over a repetitive semi-musical track does not appeal to me. I find it conceptually vacuous even before you add on the lyrical content or message. Without harmony and chord changes, it has none of the qualities that I find interesting in music.
biteme said:
As an accomplished musian I personally don't consider Rap as "music". I'ts about as simple a form of music as you can get and still get off calling it "music", 3 to 4 notes max in the melody if it even has a freaking melody, and mostly just rehashed sampled shit that someone else invented.
Love to see them idiots in a music theory class. LOL
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BigRupe said:
Exactly! Rap and hip/hop used to be all about telling a story kinda like spoken word but with beats. Now, all most artists do is resample old beats and even rythms from very old songs. Also, the lyrics are about blingin, ho's, strip clubs, etc. It's not about telling how life is on the street or whatever may be going on in that persons life.
I've said it about rock and I'll say it about rap. It's become overcommercialized due to MTV. They are all about appealing to the masses and getting that video on MTV instead of digging deep and writing some real shit.
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biteme said:
IF YOU AND YOUR DAUGHTER HAS NOT COME TO A SOLUTION BY NOW-THERE IS PLENTY OF RAP SONGS-AND I AM SURE YALL CAN GET A LIST TOGETHER THAT YOU WILL LIKE SOME. RAP MUSIC GENERALLY DOES NOT HAVE A MELODY-IT IS JUST A BUNCH OF TALKING. I HATED THAT OLD COUNTRY MUSIC TOO-I USED TO WEAR HEADPHONES IN THE CAR (WITH MY PARENTS). BUT YOUR DAUGHTER REALLY NEEDS TO EXPAND THE TYPES OF MUSIC SHE LISTENS TOO.
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I dont know why all rap is being grouped together into one big group. Some rap is about getting educated, percerverance, and other socially praised topics. Its not all about cars, bitches, and money. All in all almost all music share the EXACT same themes in most of the songs. Its just they way its portrayed that is different. The racism in this thread is making me sick. Narrowminded people who cant open there eyes and look at it from another point of view.
dhawkins said:
'Cause you have to go out of your way to look for the ones that aren't about cars, bitches, money, and shoes. That's what's on the radio, on BET, on MTV, and what gets played in the dance clubs. The "positive" rap is underground, uncommercial.
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