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How To Properly Dose S4!!

dylangemelli

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Okay everyone... I wanted to write this up to make sure that everyone knows how to properly dose S4... As most of you know, the common side effect associated with S4 is the night vision issue. This results in one of two or both of these issues: A yellow tint associated with vision at night and/or a hard time adjusting to darkness or light... Normally the adjustment period is very quick but can effect some much worse than others. Basically, s4 can bind to the receptor in the eye causing these problems. UNDERSTAND that it is IMPOSSIBLE to know if this will happen to you and at what dosage this may happen... 50 mg is the general starting spot for dosing. Some people get the vision issue immediately even at this moderate dose. Some are able to get up to 100 mg a day with very minimal problems... There is no way to tell what category you fall into until you try... The vision issue is not permanent and the half life on s4 is very short (around 4-6 hours) Some people are forced to go to dosing s4 for 5 days and then taking 2 off because they cannot handle the vision issue... I try to do everything I possibly can to avoid this because I do not want to miss any days of usage...


So, it is important to understand how to dose s4 properly. Some people are content at staying at 50 mg for an entire 8 week cycle. Others, want to increase the dosage but there is a very specific protocol to follow to ensure that vision issues are kept to a minimum...


I compare this protocol to fighting Mike Tyson on Mike Tyson's punchout. If anyone has ever played the game they will appreciate this comparison. When you fight Mike Tyson, the first 1:20 seconds of round 1, if you are hit just one time you are knocked down... This is the danger zone... Once you get past that first 1:20 you are much safer but you still must proceed with caution because the fcker is still dangerous...


This is the same with S4... You must go 2 weeks at 50 mg... If you get through the 2 weeks with minimal to no vision issues then you past the danger zone... You are safe then to increase your dosage but must proceed with caution... After two weeks you can bump to 60 mg... Now you are testing the waters... You must now stay on 60 mg between 10-14 days... I would say 12 is the safest bet... Then it is okay to increase again to 70 mg if you are able to... I feel like between 70 and 80 mg is the sweet spot however there is benefit up to 100 mg... You should continue to follow protocol of 10-14 days on each 10 mg incremental increase... By following this protocol, you could get up to 100 mg for at least the last week... You should NEVER GO ANY HIGHER THAN 100 mg... As I mentioned, the sweet spot is between 70-80 mg... Every increase needs to be with extreme caution and if the vision issues begin, you know where your boundary is... Some of us are luckier than others in terms of receptor binding... DO NOT BE IN A RUSH to increase dosage... Following this protocol will be the safest and MOST EFFECTIVE way of dosing s4.


If anyone has any questions, feel free to post them here or send me a pm... I am always here to help!


I hope this helps you all. This is my personal method and I promise you that it is the safest and most effective way to dose s4...
 
dylangemelli said:
Okay everyone... I wanted to write this up to make sure that everyone knows how to properly dose S4... As most of you know, the common side effect associated with S4 is the night vision issue. This results in one of two or both of these issues: A yellow tint associated with vision at night and/or a hard time adjusting to darkness or light... Normally the adjustment period is very quick but can effect some much worse than others. Basically, s4 can bind to the receptor in the eye causing these problems. UNDERSTAND that it is IMPOSSIBLE to know if this will happen to you and at what dosage this may happen... 50 mg is the general starting spot for dosing. Some people get the vision issue immediately even at this moderate dose. Some are able to get up to 100 mg a day with very minimal problems... There is no way to tell what category you fall into until you try... The vision issue is not permanent and the half life on s4 is very short (around 4-6 hours) Some people are forced to go to dosing s4 for 5 days and then taking 2 off because they cannot handle the vision issue... I try to do everything I possibly can to avoid this because I do not want to miss any days of usage...


So, it is important to understand how to dose s4 properly. Some people are content at staying at 50 mg for an entire 8 week cycle. Others, want to increase the dosage but there is a very specific protocol to follow to ensure that vision issues are kept to a minimum...


I compare this protocol to fighting Mike Tyson on Mike Tyson's punchout. If anyone has ever played the game they will appreciate this comparison. When you fight Mike Tyson, the first 1:20 seconds of round 1, if you are hit just one time you are knocked down... This is the danger zone... Once you get past that first 1:20 you are much safer but you still must proceed with caution because the fcker is still dangerous...


This is the same with S4... You must go 2 weeks at 50 mg... If you get through the 2 weeks with minimal to no vision issues then you past the danger zone... You are safe then to increase your dosage but must proceed with caution... After two weeks you can bump to 60 mg... Now you are testing the waters... You must now stay on 60 mg between 10-14 days... I would say 12 is the safest bet... Then it is okay to increase again to 70 mg if you are able to... I feel like between 70 and 80 mg is the sweet spot however there is benefit up to 100 mg... You should continue to follow protocol of 10-14 days on each 10 mg incremental increase... By following this protocol, you could get up to 100 mg for at least the last week... You should NEVER GO ANY HIGHER THAN 100 mg... As I mentioned, the sweet spot is between 70-80 mg... Every increase needs to be with extreme caution and if the vision issues begin, you know where your boundary is... Some of us are luckier than others in terms of receptor binding... DO NOT BE IN A RUSH to increase dosage... Following this protocol will be the safest and MOST EFFECTIVE way of dosing s4.


If anyone has any questions, feel free to post them here or send me a pm... I am always here to help!


I hope this helps you all. This is my personal method and I promise you that it is the safest and most effective way to dose s4...
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Vision sides go away but can they do damage permently? Hadnt studied that much on it.

Bout 4 weeks in vision sides were crazy for me at just 50
 
I LOVE this analogy as Mike Tysons' Punchout wat my favorite NES game of all time. Thanks Dylan. as always I appreciate your advice.
 
Good job as usual buddy. I laughed out loud at work about the Tyson analogy lol!

I always try to stress to bros the need for ramping up with anything, but especially research chems.

Crawl before you walk guys!

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TheRippedReverend said:
Vision sides go away but can they do damage permently? Hadnt studied that much on it.

Bout 4 weeks in vision sides were crazy for me at just 50
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there will not be permanent damage caused unless someone is just careless and runs it for some astronomical amount of time and runs it at an extremely high dose and has the terrible sides... but it would take an extreme situation for this...

that just goes to show you how hard it is to predict when or if you will experience the vision sides... i was able to get up to 100 mg with very minimal sides...

that's why this protocol needs to be followed...
 
Awesome comparison and well wrote. Dude you keep amazing me with all the awesome advice you give out. đź‘Š good stuff man! Keep up the good work.
 
Is the minimum dose 50, or if you expierience vision side effects at 50 could you lower it to 40?

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Hey bro good post. I know usually ill pm you but i want to post the question here in case anyone else has the same concerns.

Ive just started my second week of osta/s4 cycle. Ive started to have vision sides, adjusting to light and yellow tint at times but its nothing i cant handle. My question is if i stay at 50mg will the sides stay the same or gradually get worse? I plan on staying at 50 the entire 8 weeks so im assuming the sides wont get any worse, but i figured id ask the sarms expert lol.

But i have to say s4 is the shit. I can already see myself leaning out in the mirror and dropped 2 lbs so this shit is sweet. Cant wait for the osta to fully kick in to see what happens haha.

Thanks brotha!

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Are you taking a 2 day break every 5 days bro? That should help you reset and clear up those sides. Otherwise they could end up getting worse

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No im still on 7 days a week. I really want to stick with 7 but i might not have a choice. Its just going so good though. Damn sides haha.

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Lol yeah bro try the 5 on 2 off routine and see if you can't get them to subside! S-4 is definitely the shit though!

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Great post! Been on s4 for about 3weeks now at 50mg Ed. Been thinking of upping the dosages but my sides are pretty hairy as it is. Not sure what it would be like if they got worse.
 
lesterismore said:
Is the minimum dose 50, or if you expierience vision side effects at 50 could you lower it to 40?

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you can always go lower but your not defintely not going to get the full effects of s4 once you get under 50 mg... you can still get gains but they will be limited...
 
21"GunSalute said:
Hey bro good post. I know usually ill pm you but i want to post the question here in case anyone else has the same concerns.

Ive just started my second week of osta/s4 cycle. Ive started to have vision sides, adjusting to light and yellow tint at times but its nothing i cant handle. My question is if i stay at 50mg will the sides stay the same or gradually get worse? I plan on staying at 50 the entire 8 weeks so im assuming the sides wont get any worse, but i figured id ask the sarms expert lol.

But i have to say s4 is the shit. I can already see myself leaning out in the mirror and dropped 2 lbs so this shit is sweet. Cant wait for the osta to fully kick in to see what happens haha.

Thanks brotha!

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honestly my man, thats fairly impossible to say.. if you are not having them to the point where its unbearable then i would not go to 5 on and 2 off... thats pretty much a last resort... it sucks on something as good as s4 to lose days, especially considering how short the half life is on it... of course, 5 is better than none but like i said, there is no need to do that until it becomes unbearable... you will know when its time to scale back... right now is not the time... for some the issue never gets to that point but for others it can progressively get worse... just keep a close monitor on it and you will know when/if the time comes to modify...
 
ripped_k1d said:
Great post! Been on s4 for about 3weeks now at 50mg Ed. Been thinking of upping the dosages but my sides are pretty hairy as it is. Not sure what it would be like if they got worse.
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then there is no need to up it man.... you should only up it if the sides are not very bad and if they are getting to you in any certain way then you should just stay at 50, otherwise you are asking for trouble... or at least setting yourself up for a 5 on and 2 off scenario...
 
dylangemelli said:
honestly my man, thats fairly impossible to say.. if you are not having them to the point where its unbearable then i would not go to 5 on and 2 off... thats pretty much a last resort... it sucks on something as good as s4 to lose days, especially considering how short the half life is on it... of course, 5 is better than none but like i said, there is no need to do that until it becomes unbearable... you will know when its time to scale back... right now is not the time... for some the issue never gets to that point but for others it can progressively get worse... just keep a close monitor on it and you will know when/if the time comes to modify...
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Yeah thanks bro. I didnt plan on doing the 5/2 untill i couldnt take it no more. Like i said the sides are tolerable right now. Ill just see how the next few days go.

Why do you think the vision sides happen much later in the day with the half life being so short? I take my last dose at 4pm and the sides dont start untill i get to work around 1am. Thats past the half life of 4-6 hrs.

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21"GunSalute said:
Yeah thanks bro. I didnt plan on doing the 5/2 untill i couldnt take it no more. Like i said the sides are tolerable right now. Ill just see how the next few days go.

Why do you think the vision sides happen much later in the day with the half life being so short? I take my last dose at 4pm and the sides dont start untill i get to work around 1am. Thats past the half life of 4-6 hrs.

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i wish i knew the answer to that bro... its all about the night vision with s4... that's when the problems from the binding to the receptor occur... it sucks but if its managable its well worth it because the results are excellent...
 
dylangemelli said:
i wish i knew the answer to that bro... its all about the night vision with s4... that's when the problems from the binding to the receptor occur... it sucks but if its managable its well worth it because the results are excellent...
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Yeah it is tough to say. Everyone reacts differently. But the results for being just over a week in have been awesome. Cant wait to see what the remainder of the cycle brings. Like i said im definatly more leaner and dropped 2lbs so far.

Thanks for all your help and input brotha!

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21"GunSalute said:
Yeah it is tough to say. Everyone reacts differently. But the results for being just over a week in have been awesome. Cant wait to see what the remainder of the cycle brings. Like i said im definatly more leaner and dropped 2lbs so far.

Thanks for all your help and input brotha!

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anytime my man... s4 kicks in so fast... i love it

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HUGE EDIT:
Just in case... what's the best way to dose my rats? Orally under the tongue? And excellent write up, btw.
 
freakshow85 said:
HUGE EDIT:
Just in case... what's the best way to dose my rats? Orally under the tongue? And excellent write up, btw.
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would like to know this as well, also i know it should be doesd in the a.m. with food or on an empty stomach or does it matter? I may or may not be doing morning cardio on an empty stomach so wondering if I should take my doses do cardio then eat or scrap the morning cardio all together
 
kkklick said:
would like to know this as well, also i know it should be doesd in the a.m. with food or on an empty stomach or does it matter? I may or may not be doing morning cardio on an empty stomach so wondering if I should take my doses do cardio then eat or scrap the morning cardio all together
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empty stomach or with food, either way is completely fine... i do feel like it kicks in a bit faster if you take it on more of an empty stomach but thats just my personal opinion... its fine either way..
 
Have you guys noticed that when you look around about S4, people on other forums are dosing this at 100-150mg a day? I'm gonna definitely follow your advice, though, you know your stuff. Everyone here does. Hard to think about it when you have a knowledgeable member on these forums saying to start at 50mg for a good 12 days to assess sides and get the body used to it, then go to 75mg... and then you see these guys out here talking about 150mg a day and having crazy vision sides on other forums. Looks like they need a Dylan, lol.
 
That's because EF is a unique place. Most every other forum I've been on has some 20 year old on his 5th cycle running a gram of test and tren a week with nolva as PCT...and giving out advice.

I may be wrong, but I like to think over here we try and stay a little more informed as to the who's, what's, where's, when's, why's and how's. Personal health and well being is always the top priority here

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Are the "hunger pains" not an issue any longer with S4? I remember reading a write up by Need2 and he talked about how he felt hungry just after eating a huge meal but I don't see people complaining about it anymore. If you're taking S4 on a cut, hunger can't be good??
 
bigbassturd said:
That's because EF is a unique place. Most every other forum I've been on has some 20 year old on his 5th cycle running a gram of test and tren a week with nolva as PCT...and giving out advice.

I may be wrong, but I like to think over here we try and stay a little more informed as to the who's, what's, where's, when's, why's and how's. Personal health and well being is always the top priority here

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Exactly, all of us on here want to live a long and healthy life, some people only think about the here and now, we on the other hand think about the future.
 
freakshow85 said:
Have you guys noticed that when you look around about S4, people on other forums are dosing this at 100-150mg a day? I'm gonna definitely follow your advice, though, you know your stuff. Everyone here does. Hard to think about it when you have a knowledgeable member on these forums saying to start at 50mg for a good 12 days to assess sides and get the body used to it, then go to 75mg... and then you see these guys out here talking about 150mg a day and having crazy vision sides on other forums. Looks like they need a Dylan, lol.
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=) trust me bro, two things i can assure you of people dosing it that high... A. if they are not getting vision sides then their s4 is pure shit and B. chances are good they are getting horrible vision sides and not able to run a full cycle...

one thing that i always like to say is more is not always better but with SARMS, when it gets to a certain point, more is not only worse but its just completely detrimental... I have put so much effort into studying and perfecting sarms... by no means do i know everything but I like to think I know a pretty good amount and trust me when I tell you, the writeup I did here is going to be one of the safest and most effective ways to dose s4... anything over 100 mg is just fucking ridiculous and not safe... like i said before, the sweetspot is going to be between 70-80 mg...
 
macapple said:
Are the "hunger pains" not an issue any longer with S4? I remember reading a write up by Need2 and he talked about how he felt hungry just after eating a huge meal but I don't see people complaining about it anymore. If you're taking S4 on a cut, hunger can't be good??
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I NEVER had any hunger pains whatsoever with s4 and i have not personally heard of any instances of this... Its definitely one of my favorite cutters and i highly recommend it for leaning out, muscle hardening and strength...
 
dylangemelli said:
I am giving the thread a bump because I have been getting a lot of questions on proper s4 dosing lately...
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One thing for certain that I've seen popping up lately is S4 in PCT for some reason.

DON'T DO IT! NEVER USE S4 IN PCT! That is a time to recover, and S4 will suppress you preventing your recovery
 
macapple said:
Are the "hunger pains" not an issue any longer with S4? I remember reading a write up by Need2 and he talked about how he felt hungry just after eating a huge meal but I don't see people complaining about it anymore. If you're taking S4 on a cut, hunger can't be good??
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I don't know if it's the time of the year or what... but I can eat a huge meal and still be starving. I don't know if it's the S4, or just my body saying feed me. I don't want to attribute anything to something (in this case S4) when I've only ran it this one time and barely have 4 weeks under my belt of it. So, I'm not saying it does or doesn't for me, but around a week after running S4, especially after 2 weeks, I turned into a bottomless pit. It's like I have non-stop munchies. Noticeably worse later in the day. And if I miss a meal... oh god, I can't get full when I do finally get to eat. CAN NOT get full. I know ya gotta use mind over matter in cases like this, but I let myself have it one night and ate so much I thought I was going to puke (haven't done that in years) and even woke up at 4:00 a.m. the next morning because of a hurting stomach lol.
 
freakshow85 said:
I don't know if it's the time of the year or what... but I can eat a huge meal and still be starving. I don't know if it's the S4, or just my body saying feed me. I don't want to attribute anything to something (in this case S4) when I've only ran it this one time and barely have 4 weeks under my belt of it. So, I'm not saying it does or doesn't for me, but around a week after running S4, especially after 2 weeks, I turned into a bottomless pit. It's like I have non-stop munchies. Noticeably worse later in the day. And if I miss a meal... oh god, I can't get full when I do finally get to eat. CAN NOT get full. I know ya gotta use mind over matter in cases like this, but I let myself have it one night and ate so much I thought I was going to puke (haven't done that in years) and even woke up at 4:00 a.m. the next morning because of a hurting stomach lol.
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thats very strange but that could be attributed to anything... its hard to say what the reasoning is... were you taking anything else with the s4 or just as a stand alone... are your workouts more intense? try eating more fiber and more protein to feel more full and satisfied... although with what your describing it sounds like your going to be hungry either way! your right though bro, its mind over matter as well...
 
Hey dylan I eant to run a sarms cycle while om bulking for that extra boost on muscle growth and strength as im not ready for aas yet. U suggested in your other cycle that i should dose
Osta 1-8
S4 1-8
However is s4 necassary if im not looking to lean out? Does it have any other benefits in pure muscle size?
 
tryna get hench said:
Hey dylan I eant to run a sarms cycle while om bulking for that extra boost on muscle growth and strength as im not ready for aas yet. U suggested in your other cycle that i should dose
Osta 1-8
S4 1-8
However is s4 necassary if im not looking to lean out? Does it have any other benefits in pure muscle size?
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s4 is going to harden your muscles like a motherfucker... it will lean you out but it will harden you up nicely... if thats not what your after then don't run it... you can still add size with it... to me, its the best of all the SARMS...
 
if the sides are night vision associated, why do they matter if your asleep or is in early evening?
 
SRTank said:
if the sides are night vision associated, why do they matter if your asleep or is in early evening?
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when it gets dark you can have trouble adjusting to the darkness or light that comes on in darkness... some people get yellow tints that are very bothersome while others may not...
 
What is the dosing schedule for 50-75 mgs of s-4 ? I would assume with that short of a half life I have always liked 4 doses a day to equal your total daily dose.
What about mk-2866 how should that be dosed ?
 
Icompete said:
What is the dosing schedule for 50-75 mgs of s-4 ? I would assume with that short of a half life I have always liked 4 doses a day to equal your total daily dose.
What about mk-2866 how should that be dosed ?
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mk is dosed once a day, in the a.m.

s4 is dosed twice a day... once in the morning and once 6 hours later...
 
tryna get hench said:
Hey dylan I eant to run a sarms cycle while om bulking for that extra boost on muscle growth and strength as im not ready for aas yet. U suggested in your other cycle that i should dose
Osta 1-8
S4 1-8
However is s4 necassary if im not looking to lean out? Does it have any other benefits in pure muscle size?
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Not only will it do all that dylan just said, but it has androgenic effects like a motherfucker too.

You will have insane weight room energy and endurance man.......first time I took it I was able to do 3-4 hour gym sessions at high intensity no problem and still felt like I was good to go for even longer.

Then again I was on Sarmssearch S4 so thats really to be expected from their quality.

And about the hunger pains.........I havent even heard of that, less experienced it from S4. Are you sure he wasnt talking about GHRP-6 or something?
 
dylangemelli said:
there will not be permanent damage caused unless someone is just careless and runs it for some astronomical amount of time and runs it at an extremely high dose and has the terrible sides... but it would take an extreme situation for this...

that just goes to show you how hard it is to predict when or if you will experience the vision sides... i was able to get up to 100 mg with very minimal sides...

that's why this protocol needs to be followed...
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Dont be misled by this though.......although the vision side effect that you get during your cycle are temporary, it is still unclear (but very possible) that S4 fucks with the transcription of your DNA replication in your eyes which could lead to unknown side effects in the long term (I.E. vision loss, etc.)

While dylan is right here, just remember that newer supplement discoveries do not have conclusive research on long term effects - and in the case of S4, they are particularly iffy.

As for the people on other forums runnign 150 mgs +, thats called mental retardation. Those are the same guys that think that running 2 grams of test is better than running normal doses or that running 500 mcg of GHRP is better than running 200.

Your body can only absorb so much substance before you start wasting it - not to mention that youre going to hurt yourself at those doses - my guess would be that S4 tops out at 100 mg (which is still higher than I would ever go).
 
liffalot said:
Dont be misled by this though.......although the vision side effect that you get during your cycle are temporary, it is still unclear (but very possible) that S4 fucks with the transcription of your DNA replication in your eyes which could lead to unknown side effects in the long term (I.E. vision loss, etc.)

While dylan is right here, just remember that newer supplement discoveries do not have conclusive research on long term effects - and in the case of S4, they are particularly iffy.

As for the people on other forums runnign 150 mgs +, thats called mental retardation. Those are the same guys that think that running 2 grams of test is better than running normal doses or that running 500 mcg of GHRP is better than running 200.

Your body can only absorb so much substance before you start wasting it - not to mention that youre going to hurt yourself at those doses - my guess would be that S4 tops out at 100 mg (which is still higher than I would ever go).
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I would never exceed 100 mg either... The sweet spot is really between 75-80 mg... I did notice a big difference in that range but you have to ease into getting there... S4 dosing is do damn delicate and needs to be followed accordingly or it can turn on you very quick...
 
Got a question Dylan, I'm on day 3 of SARMS and as the idiot I am accidentally took 50mg for 2nd s4 dose so I'm at 75mg for today (been doing 50), I never planned on going over 50 sides or no sides, when I go back down to 50 tomorrow do you you think I did any real damage or caused any potential problems?

Also in terms of DNA transcription, is it possible if you only run S4 once? Or is it a potential problem from long term use? I only plan on running a sarms cycle this 1 time.
 
kkklick said:
Got a question Dylan, I'm on day 3 of SARMS and as the idiot I am accidentally took 50mg for 2nd s4 dose so I'm at 75mg for today (been doing 50), I never planned on going over 50 sides or no sides, when I go back down to 50 tomorrow do you you think I did any real damage or caused any potential problems?

Also in terms of DNA transcription, is it possible if you only run S4 once? Or is it a potential problem from long term use? I only plan on running a sarms cycle this 1 time.
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My understanding is that the risks increase with prolonged use, but the potential is there even one time.

Going up to 75 mgs for one day didnt do you any harm bro dont worry about it.
 
kkklick said:
Got a question Dylan, I'm on day 3 of SARMS and as the idiot I am accidentally took 50mg for 2nd s4 dose so I'm at 75mg for today (been doing 50), I never planned on going over 50 sides or no sides, when I go back down to 50 tomorrow do you you think I did any real damage or caused any potential problems?

Also in terms of DNA transcription, is it possible if you only run S4 once? Or is it a potential problem from long term use? I only plan on running a sarms cycle this 1 time.
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you are completely fine with doing that one day just don't make it a habit...

its really impossible to say the dna transcription... it is dependent upon the person...
 
Appreciate it bros, yea I went back to 50 and everything is all good. sides have been very mild so far, no night blindness or yellow tint, only thing experienced is when its really bright outside and my rats go indoors it takes them about 90 seconds to adjust to the light inside. Theyre only about a week in though so it's hard to say, either way I think my rats will stick with 50 sides or no sides
 
kkklick said:
Appreciate it bros, yea I went back to 50 and everything is all good. sides have been very mild so far, no night blindness or yellow tint, only thing experienced is when its really bright outside and my rats go indoors it takes them about 90 seconds to adjust to the light inside. Theyre only about a week in though so it's hard to say, either way I think my rats will stick with 50 sides or no sides
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Probably a good call. The first time I ran S4 with Sarmssearch, I stuck with 50 the entire time - still made great progress and could really feel the effects.

Side effects are very person dependent. When I ran, I ran 7 days on and 0 days off for 8 weeks and had really very minimal side effects. Like you said, only a couple seconds of adjusting when coming from a brightly lit area to a dimly lit one. Late in the cycle I did get splotchy vision when I woke up in the morning that faded within a matter of seconds, so for me the side effects were really minimal.
 
dosing s4 is such a delicate situation because there is no way to know how you will react and you never want to overdo it too quickly because the sides can come on quickly... the worst i ever had was that car headlights would leave a stream of light after them for a few seconds at night and every once in a while when i woke up in the middle of the night it would take a few seconds to adjust but other than that i never really got them... some people get them quickly... its so different from person to person...
 
dylangemelli said:
dosing s4 is such a delicate situation because there is no way to know how you will react and you never want to overdo it too quickly because the sides can come on quickly... the worst i ever had was that car headlights would leave a stream of light after them for a few seconds at night and every once in a while when i woke up in the middle of the night it would take a few seconds to adjust but other than that i never really got them... some people get them quickly... its so different from person to person...
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My last run of S4 I had headlight effects as well......nothing dangerous though.
 
last night, night 5 of s4 at 50mg had the yellow tint appear, going to keep going for a day or two and see what happens... Any body else have the yellow tint? And how long after you stopped did the yellow tint go away?
 
Straightshot said:
last night, night 5 of s4 at 50mg had the yellow tint appear, going to keep going for a day or two and see what happens... Any body else have the yellow tint? And how long after you stopped did the yellow tint go away?
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pretty much everyone that uses s4 experiences the yellow tint man... some people will get it bad and some have it very mild... when it gets to be an issue then you would follow a dosing pattern of 5 days on and 2 days off but there is no need to panic or worry... it has a very short half life and the two days off will help to manage the issue... don't go to that protocol until its absolutely necessary...
 
Straightshot said:
last night, night 5 of s4 at 50mg had the yellow tint appear, going to keep going for a day or two and see what happens... Any body else have the yellow tint? And how long after you stopped did the yellow tint go away?
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What dylan said. Its really common and hard to avoid - mine left literally the day after I stopped my S4 - the half life is so short that its out of your system pretty quickly.
 
liffalot said:
What dylan said. Its really common and hard to avoid - mine left literally the day after I stopped my S4 - the half life is so short that its out of your system pretty quickly.
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exactly... its a 4-6 hour half life so the issue subsides quickly...
 
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